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19. Mason Mount

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Chelsea: Mason Mount is not the regista you are looking for

https://theprideoflondon.com/2019/01/26/chelsea-mason-mount-not-regista-looking/

Mason Mount has been playing an absurd amount of minutes at Derby County on loan from Chelsea. Some want him to return as a regista deputy. He is not that.

Mason Mount is one of the loan army’s brightest stars. Frank Lampard seemingly agrees as he has virtually played Mount every minute he has been available. In fact Mount (and Fikayo Tomori) have both played more than Derby County’s first choice keeper and are only beaten out by the team’s captain.

Chelsea management and fans alike are already looking towards the future. The Blues need someone to deputize Jorginho right now. But some want Mount to return and play the role, while others fear bringing in another midfielder will force Mount out of the club. But all of that does not make a whole lot of sense. Mount is a fantastic player, but being a regista behind Jorginho simply is not in his future. It would be a waste of his skill set. There is a sense that because he is young that he can learn the role. That is true; he could learn the role. But the question should not be whether or not he could but whether he should.

Mount is very quick with the ball at his feet. He has a great touch and great passing to pair with it. But he also has very good positional sense and Lampard has clearly been teaching him how to time his late runs. To use an antiquated and rigid definition, Mount is an eight like Lampard was before him.

Moving Mount to the regista spot could work and he would likely do well there. But he would do even better in one of the other midfield spots where he can attack more and press more aggressively. Ethan Ampadu finds himself in a similar debate right now. Whereas he can play the regista role, he is even better as a centerback. Again, just because a player is young and can learn a role does not mean they should.

 

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Done his hammy yesterday looks like

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5 minutes ago, mccg said:

Done his hammy yesterday looks like

So far looks just a strain, not a tear.

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

So far looks just a strain, not a tear.

I done mine ,both grade 2 tears at the same time, the popping sound was mad , like some sucker popped me with a air gun! But the sex was worth it lol

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

Chelsea: Mason Mount is not the regista you are looking for

https://theprideoflondon.com/2019/01/26/chelsea-mason-mount-not-regista-looking/

Mason Mount has been playing an absurd amount of minutes at Derby County on loan from Chelsea. Some want him to return as a regista deputy. He is not that.

Mason Mount is one of the loan army’s brightest stars. Frank Lampard seemingly agrees as he has virtually played Mount every minute he has been available. In fact Mount (and Fikayo Tomori) have both played more than Derby County’s first choice keeper and are only beaten out by the team’s captain.

Chelsea management and fans alike are already looking towards the future. The Blues need someone to deputize Jorginho right now. But some want Mount to return and play the role, while others fear bringing in another midfielder will force Mount out of the club. But all of that does not make a whole lot of sense. Mount is a fantastic player, but being a regista behind Jorginho simply is not in his future. It would be a waste of his skill set. There is a sense that because he is young that he can learn the role. That is true; he could learn the role. But the question should not be whether or not he could but whether he should.

Mount is very quick with the ball at his feet. He has a great touch and great passing to pair with it. But he also has very good positional sense and Lampard has clearly been teaching him how to time his late runs. To use an antiquated and rigid definition, Mount is an eight like Lampard was before him.

Moving Mount to the regista spot could work and he would likely do well there. But he would do even better in one of the other midfield spots where he can attack more and press more aggressively. Ethan Ampadu finds himself in a similar debate right now. Whereas he can play the regista role, he is even better as a centerback. Again, just because a player is young and can learn a role does not mean they should.

 

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I think Mount is ideal for Barkley role and that position is there to grab. Neither Barkley or Kovacic are creative and offensive enough for that position... Kovacic is more suited for Kante (b2b) position imo. 

Ampadu on the other hand is better midfielder than cb, what do you think? 

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Just now, jernej93 said:

I think Mount is ideal for Barkley role and that position is there to grab. Neither Barkley or Kovacic are creative and offensive enough for that position... Kovacic is more suited for Kante (b2b) position imo. 

Ampadu on the other hand is better midfielder than cb, what do you think? 

I am sure I am going to make some unhappy here when I say Mount doesn't look ready for 1st team footie with us. I do agree he is an AMF all the way. I think Mount would benefit massively from a loan to a team like Hertha Berlin or Hoffenheim. Compare him to a player a  half year younger, another AMF, ie. Kai Havertz.. Havertz is miles beyond him atm, and it is certainly not from Kai being a brute physically. He is as skinny as Mount.

Ampadu's best position for me will end up being a Luiz type ball-playing CB, but also, like a reverse de Jong, Amps can play a damn good DMF too, and de Jong is a really decent CB when called upon.

Lastly, speaking of our best young players, Reece James IS ready to be at least our backup RB. Azpi is soon going to be 30 and we simply cannot win titles or trophies consistently with him as our Sarriball RB. Just too limited offensively. I REALLY want £100m PLUS budding superstar RB Achraf Hakimi  (who is fairly ambipedal and can play LB too, and is doing so a lot this year on loan at Dortmund) from Real for Eden.

James and Hakimi would give us a great young RB rotation, and free up Azpi to be CB relief (or,as I counsel, sell him whilst we can still get around £40-45m) Our fullbacks are simply nowhere near good enough atm. James/Hakimi solves that with a bang on the right, and saves us backup when we dump the ruinous Aloso (if we have a lick of sense left) and probably replace Emerson too (I still think he MIGHT come good, and is certainly better than La Tortuga.).

Image result for reece james wiganImage result for Achraf Hakimi

 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Having been to 7-8 Derby games this season, I can definitely say this boy isn't Chelsea starting material. Not yet. A PL loan is an absolute necessity. 

100% agree. People were jumping the gun saying he could come from Vitesse and be part of the squad in the summer. I am under the impression he needs maybe 2 years of regular PL football to develop still.

Right now, we all know he likes to go forward, hes good at freekicks and corners etc but does he really have the other facets to his game to play as the advanced 8 in a Chelsea/Sarri 433 next season? Or any hugely outstanding ones? Not for me. Statistically he takes more shots per game than he makes key passes and he is dispossessed 1.9 times per game. Not bad but 4 goals and 2 assists in the Championship, theres the huge scope for improvement which must come from him being more decisive, having more of an impact in the middle and final third. Decision making, when to shoot when to pass more? You dont shoot you dont score but weve seem with Barkley its not always the answer. I hope he can add more goals and assists from open play this season though. Maybe have more an impact in the middle third too. Huge potential but I would say physically and technically the championships a huge change from the Dutch league, where everyone tries to play out and attack.

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18 hours ago, Vesper said:

I am sure I am going to make some unhappy here when I say Mount doesn't look ready for 1st team footie with us.

Sadly, I have to agree with this. When Mason is scoring, and he hasn't been since the early part of the season, the goals round out his game and give it a gloss. Underneath that gloss however he isn't yet giving enough to be considered ready.

 

18 hours ago, Vesper said:

Ampadu's best position for me will end up being a Luiz type ball-playing CB

Again, I fully agree.

 

18 hours ago, Vesper said:

Lastly, speaking of our best young players, Reece James IS ready to be at least our backup RB. Azpi is soon going to be 30 and we simply cannot win titles or trophies consistently with him as our Sarriball RB. Just too limited offensively.

Spot on once more.

 

18 hours ago, Vesper said:

I REALLY want £100m PLUS budding superstar RB Achraf Hakimi  (who is fairly ambipedal and can play LB too, and is doing so a lot this year on loan at Dortmund) from Real for Eden.

Haven't watched the player so can't offer an opinion but, assuming you are right about him, your analysis about how he can help us paints a very encouraging picture. In that regard, I wonder what you think of Ola Aina who I notice you excluded from your most recent squad list suggestion/speculation? Ola isn't ambipedal, but contributes equally well on both flanks. Might this, plus his superior physicality and greater technical prowess compared to Marcos, make him a candidate to replace Chilwell or Emerson in your list?

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1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Sadly, I have to agree with this. When Mason is scoring, and he hasn't been since the early part of the season, the goals round out his game and give it a gloss. Underneath that gloss however he isn't yet giving enough to be considered ready.

 

Again, I fully agree.

 

Spot on once more.

 

Haven't watched the player so can't offer an opinion but, assuming you are right about him, your analysis about how he can help us paints a very encouraging picture. In that regard, I wonder what you think of Ola Aina who I notice you excluded from your most recent squad list suggestion/speculation? Ola isn't ambipedal, but contributes equally well on both flanks. Might this, plus his superior physicality and greater technical prowess compared to Marcos, make him a candidate to replace Chilwell or Emerson in your list?

Ola is gone. Torino said they will exercise option to buy. I have mentioned this a few times before. Thanks board!! Ffs. Another real quality Chels youth gone to a foreign team. He has been massive this year every game I have seen (4). Especially the night he bossed CR7.

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On 1/27/2019 at 7:39 AM, Vesper said:

Again, just because a player is young and can learn a role does not mean they should.

Until not too long ago I'd agree. Ive always thought it best to pick a player who has trained his career in one spot.

But someone got me thinking that it might be best if they knew how to play multi positions. Gives them a more balance footballer head I think maybe. And better for him and us so he is adaptable.

Maybe its better in some positions more than others tho.

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Mason Mount will remain out for the next three to four weeks with a hamstring strain 

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3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I don't know. I rate MVG and Pasalic over Mount, Bakayoko and Drinkwater. 

Lets not even mention the upcoming ban! Mason Mount is only 20 and has far more potential than , injury prone/broken/unluckymutherchucker MVG 26, i liked Pasalic 24 ,but alas i think his time is over(15mill buy option with Atlanta and probly that is ceiling of his game) same with Bakayoko 24 again (think he needed time to adjust to the speed of the prem etc , and don't really think he would be suited to the grind ,Ac milan look like using the buy option also) and yeah Drinkwater lol . Having home grown also in the squad next season will be another priority , Jorgy-Kante-Mount-Ruben-Barkley-and another for midfield next season if ban is on! Bring it on!

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29 minutes ago, mccg said:

Lets not even mention the upcoming ban! Mason Mount is only 20 and has far more potential than , injury prone/broken/unluckymutherchucker MVG 26, i liked Pasalic 24 ,but alas i think his time is over(15mill buy option with Atlanta and probly that is ceiling of his game) same with Bakayoko 24 again (think he needed time to adjust to the speed of the prem etc , and don't really think he would be suited to the grind ,Ac milan look like using the buy option also) and yeah Drinkwater lol . Having home grown also in the squad next season will be another priority , Jorgy-Kante-Mount-Ruben-Barkley-and another for midfield next season if ban is on! Bring it on!

Mario Pašalić done with Chelsea Loan Army, wants to stay at Atalanta for good

Five loans in five years for the 24-year-old midfielder

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2019/3/6/18252854/mario-pasalic-done-with-chelsea-loan-army-wants-to-stay-at-atalanta-for-good

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On 3/9/2019 at 8:40 PM, Vesper said:

Mario Pašalić done with Chelsea Loan Army, wants to stay at Atalanta for good

Five loans in five years for the 24-year-old midfielder

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2019/3/6/18252854/mario-pasalic-done-with-chelsea-loan-army-wants-to-stay-at-atalanta-for-good

LOL You really vcan't blame the kid for being pissed off with the club!

We really do need to determine just what we want the mane purpose of the academy to be.

Is it to benefit the yoof?

The 1st team?

Or is its purpose to generate income for the club?

I think we should make it a priority as a feeder to the 1st team. But something drastic needs to change. For a start the lads need to start bulking up. A few of them look like stick insects! Mount one of them. Exactly the same size as Jorgi and will have the same problem,

If they are not ready for the 1st team give them somewhere they can do a 2 year loan/ If they still dont make the grade sell them straight away. No more 5/6 loans thats just daft. How could they ever be motivated being passed around that much. They must be so hard to motivate,

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Frank Lampard says RB Leipzig's interest in Derby's Mason Mount is "his call" but backs the player to shine for Chelsea and England in the future.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11696/11683792/frank-lampard-says-mason-mount-could-move-to-rb-leipzig-but-backs-chelsea-and-england-future

Seems like German clubs have taking a liking to English young talent 

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1 hour ago, the wes said:

Frank Lampard says RB Leipzig's interest in Derby's Mason Mount is "his call" but backs the player to shine for Chelsea and England in the future.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11696/11683792/frank-lampard-says-mason-mount-could-move-to-rb-leipzig-but-backs-chelsea-and-england-future

Seems like German clubs have taking a liking to English young talent 

Chelsea transfer news: Mason Mount could leave Blues for RB Leipzig, admits Frank Lampard

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/chelsea-transfer-news-mason-mount-rb-leipzig-derby-frank-lampard-sancho-hudson-odoi-a8855106.html

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6 hours ago, the wes said:

Frank Lampard says RB Leipzig's interest in Derby's Mason Mount is "his call" but backs the player to shine for Chelsea and England in the future.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11696/11683792/frank-lampard-says-mason-mount-could-move-to-rb-leipzig-but-backs-chelsea-and-england-future

Seems like German clubs have taking a liking to English young talent 

Thankfully, he still has 2 years left on his contract. Genuinely interested to see how Mount will do for us but at the same time, am concerned what will happen to our youth players if we continue to have Sarri in charge.

Is Mount just gonna give up on his dream and leave for Leipzig? IF we can't find space for him in the team next season, maybe he can go loan to Leipzig or to one of the PL clubs (or stay with Derby if they get promoted).

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