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Chelsea have bunch of this type of players. Maybe they are not sold because they have high wages and some small clubs where these players actually belongs to, can't pay them enough. I'm pretty sure with this type of loan, Chelsea pays him some percentage of his actual wages.

I'd presume 80/90% considering the clubs he's played for and the fact no one wants to take a punt.

 

He played 1 game during his spell in France & people wonder what's wrong with our loan policy.

 

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

What the fuck!!!!

Those new loan rules cannot come quick enough.

I am sure a Moses renewal soon comes. Van Ginkel. Kenedy. Musonda. Miazga. Blackman. Baba! Hell, renew DRINKWATER!

So disgusted.

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11 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Why is it ridiculous? Care to explain?

His contract was up in 6 months, we would have got nothing for him. In this way he is barely on our books (bought back in 2014 for a meagre 4mil, so his amortized value would be in thousands literally) and i am sure mineiro would be paying his wages. So where is the loss exactly? In this way if we sell him next year, his profit will be recorded on our 20/21 financial books when we would actually be needing the money to buy players, rather than the 19/20 books where we already have the hazard and the rest sales as well as we dont look to be buying anyone. So I think this is good business by the board. 

Obviously the doom and gloom merchants and the "we know better than the board" brigade would have you believe otherwise, but believe me, this is a decent thing that the board has done.

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12 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Why is it ridiculous? Care to explain?

His contract was up in 6 months, we would have got nothing for him. In this way he is barely on our books (bought back in 2014 for a meagre 4mil, so his amortized value would be in thousands literally) and i am sure mineiro would be paying his wages. So where is the loss exactly? In this way if we sell him next year, his profit will be recorded on our 20/21 financial books when we would actually be needing the money to buy players, rather than the 19/20 books where we already have the hazard and the rest sales as well as we dont look to be buying anyone. So I think this is good business by the board. 

Obviously the doom and gloom merchants and the "we know better than the board" brigade would have you believe otherwise, but believe me, this is a decent thing that the board has done.

It's ridiculous that he's still in our books. 

What profit? He's worth 1m maybe 2m max. What you said makes sense to do with someone like Kenedy who is worth probably around 10m but not with this guy. And new rules regarding loan players are coming. 

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4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

It's ridiculous that he's still in our books. 

What profit? He's worth 1m maybe 2m max. What you said makes sense to do with someone like Kenedy who is worth probably around 10m but not with this guy. And new rules regarding loan players are coming. 

As much as we would like to pretend that it's not, I am sure even 1m/2m is a lot of money, even for a mega football club like Chelsea. 

Yes, Kennedy also lies in the same bucket, but there is also the problem of the player accepting the contract. Kenedy might be asking for wages which the club think might make any transfer of his unachievable. I am not saying I know it all, but I also find it difficult and ridiculous to believe that the board of one of the biggest clubs in the world is getting everything wrong (according to some fans on here), where as the truth is that within a span of 5 years, we have become a club which used to be working on whatever change and scrap we could get from RoMan's pockets to one which is self sufficient now (a profit of 5m over the course of last 5 seasons) compared to a loss of around 100+ mil in 5 years before that period.

So don't believe the rants of one particular poster on here who is continuously ridiculing the board. They are doimg a decent job. 

As for the new loan rule. It's now official as of yet, is it? Even if it was, Nathan's loan is a 6 month loan, which makes his transfer in the summer quite viable.

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21 hours ago, Vesper said:

What the fuck!!!!

Those new loan rules cannot come quick enough.

I am sure a Moses renewal soon comes. Van Ginkel. Kenedy. Musonda. Miazga. Blackman. Baba! Hell, renew DRINKWATER!

So disgusted.

I'm sure if you asked the board for reasons behind this decision, they could probably rationally explain it. I suspect many deadwoods are still on our books because nobody has wanted to buy them or been able to match the club's demands to financially justify those sales. At least this way we get income from loan fees while somebody else pays the wages.

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2 hours ago, manpe said:

I'm sure if you asked the board for reasons behind this decision, they could probably rationally explain it. I suspect many deadwoods are still on our books because nobody has wanted to buy them or been able to match the club's demands to financially justify those sales. At least this way we get income from loan fees while somebody else pays the wages.

Point is, those new loan rules are coming, and we will get stuck with too many at once to dump. Also, the loan fees do not make up for a walk on a free if we keep refusing to sell players just because a club is off bit from our asking price. If Willian, Kenedy, Donkeywater, etc etc etc end up walking on frees, the culmulatives fiscal damage will be immense, regardless of what divvy board fanboys bleat and wail (not talking about you at all there).

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"drinkwater" (last time I checked that was his name) was bought for 40m in 2017.

Which means at the start of this summer, 24mil of his fee was still left to on our books.

If we kept him, we got a loss of 8mil of his value (considering we did not pay his wages). If we sold him for even 15m we Got a loss of 24-15 = 9mil on our books and that is considering literally anyone would have even paid 15m for him.

And that's the difference between people on the board who actually know what they are doing and then on the other end of the spectrum are idiots and assholes trying to prove to the world that they actually know everything about something that they clearly have 0 idea about. 

There is a reason these "fans" are sitting behind a screen trying to earn brownie points out of fellow "fan" while there are those doing the real thing and making the club self sustainable in a very very short period of time. 

I for one know who I will put my trust in, and it won't be the idiots for sure.

 

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If people on here think that all of Drinkwater's wages are and were and will be paid in full by other clubs and that the board is actually handling his situ well and he wasn't an absolutely DISASTROUS buy that will end up costing us a £45-50m or so (maybe more) net loss at the end of the day, then I have some prime tropical beachfront property to sell you in a little place called the Australian Outback.

The maths are not complicated, regardless of what gaslighters want you believe.

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Villa are paying his wages in full. Burnley paid half of his as per reports. So what's that? A total of 2.5m. 

Again, that makes it whole "loss" on the books as 10.5mil. which would mean we would have had to find some team to buy DD for 13.5 m. Best of luck finding that. I am sure a genius in transfers who has no actual fucking background in finance or scouting could definitely have got that deal done, right? 

Yes, the whole DD transfer had a poor ring to it from the start, but you don't self combust and make more stupid decision. You try to somehow mitigate it, which the board is trying to do. Understand that. I know it will be hard for an idiot, who considers themselves as a know-it-all to "understand" but it's never too late. 

For every DD their is an azpi, gc, Eden, Costa, cesc, matic, mats etc etc. Where we have bought well and sold well. We have a net spend of 100m in the last 5 seasons, arsenal have 240 and United upwards of 500. We are ahead of both of them. Along with that, we have now become self sufficient and have shown profits in 3 of the last 5 seasons. So the FACTS show that OvERALL the board has done a good job (not just one or 2 individual transfers). 

So I personally would consider all of these facts rather than stupid ramblings and rantings and honestly, the same shitty posts again and again of an idiot regarding the board 

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3 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

on the other end of the spectrum are idiots and assholes trying to prove to the world that they actually know everything about something that they clearly have 0 idea about. 

Leave it out with the high and mighty bollocks mate.Anyone who thinks people lie in buckets shouldn't be calling people idiots.

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1 minute ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Leave it out with the high and mighty bollocks mate.Anyone who thinks people lie in buckets shouldn't be calling people idiots.

Hmmm. True just because one confuses buckets and brackets because English is not the first language should definitely not be speaking their minds. 

Anyways, don't need your advice. I will speak my mind soecially when someone acts like know-it-alls while clearly they have no idea about it or how the finances work. 

Also, I have written my points to support the board. Do you have anything to say to that, or do you just go around being a grammar nazi?

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18 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Hmmm. True just because one confuses buckets and brackets because English is not the first language should definitely not be speaking their minds. 

Anyways, don't need your advice. I will speak my mind soecially when someone acts like know-it-alls while clearly they have no idea about it or how the finances work. 

Also, I have written my points to support the board. Do you have anything to say to that, or do you just go around being a grammar nazi?

You don't call fellow Chelsea fans arseholes and idiots just because they have a different point of view to you. I'm not a grammar nazi at all mate although I have no idea what soecially means :D

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3 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

You don't call fellow Chelsea fans arseholes and idiots just because they have a different point of view to you. I'm not a grammar nazi at all mate although I have no idea what soecially means :D

"Fans" don't go about dissing board at every opportunity and calling players "donkeywater" do they?

It's a 2 way street. If you are willing to abuse the players, then you should not have problem accepting some hard comments. Or you can just show respect if you want it. 

Typos amuse you, good to know. Lol. And interesting.

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14 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

"Fans" don't go about dissing board at every opportunity and calling players "donkeywater" do they?

 

Of course they do ! Every club in England and on every football forum fans have a go at the board and players it's part and parcel of being a fan.. Arsenal fans hate their board, Man United fans hate the Glaziers, West Ham fans hate the dildo brothers there's been demos at recent matches. Arsenal fans booed Xhaka off the pitch recently. Kenyon was hated by nearly all Chelsea fans 

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Just now, Iggy Doonican said:

Of course they do ! Every club in England and on every football forum fans have a go at the board and players it's part and parcel of being a fan.. Arsenal fans hate their board, Man United fans hate the Glaziers, West Ham fans hate the dildo brothers. there's been demos at recent matches. Arsenal fans booed Xhaka off the pitch recently.

No need to leave out the 2 way street argument then?

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1 minute ago, 1905didierblue said:

No need to leave out the 2 way street argument then?

No idea what you're on about squire so I'll sign off although I hope to read more posts about accounting and number crunching from you it's riveting..

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