Fulham Broadway 17,333 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 .Some things I've read about Roman have even suggested me that he might have a shady past during which he accumulated so much wealth. These things never get discussed.Just before the collapse of the Soviet Union state assets -stuff that belonged to all the people of Russia -were sold off by the ever increasingly drunk Boris Yeltsin to 'oligarchs'. They were basically spivs who imported western goods and sold at a vast profit.They positioned themselves round Yeltsin like vultures ready for the gas and oil sell off that they knew they could buy for a fraction of its real worth.These included Gaidamar. Beresovsky (the one that had a row with Abaramovich) and Abramovich himself. Oligarchs are as "about as popular with your average Russian as a man idly burning bundles of £50s outside an orphanage". Hence many left the country. Some say Abramovich bought CFC as insurance thus making it almost impossible to ever be taken to any sort of court at a later date in Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 People love to hate on the rich and successful, but it's not their fault they're lucky enough to have so much money.They also do not have to give it away because you think that's right - you have the money, fucking enjoy it. Hutcho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 People love to hate on the rich and successful, but it's not their fault they're lucky enough to have so much money.They also do not have to give it away because you think that's right - you have the money, fucking enjoy it.I admire those who are successful and to a certain extent aspire to be in a situation in which one would have enough money (through hard work) to live a comfortable life in relative luxury. Trust me im no communist but to spend that kind of money on a personal plane just seems obscene. There should always be wealth differentials but must they be so enormous ? Liquidator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I think if someone has done well for themselves through legitimate means and earned thier money then they can do whatever they want with their money. They get taxed heavily which is great for the government etc, which can then spend more on their citezens like the benefits system in this country. Also rich people spending money is great for the economy as it benefits from the multiplier effect and benefits a lot of money.He has no obligation to give his money away of he doesn't want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I admire those who are successful and to a certain extent aspire to be in a situation in which one would have enough money (through hard work) to live a comfortable life in relative luxury. Trust me im no communist but to spend that kind of money on a personal plane just seems obscene. There should always be wealth differentials but must they be so enormous ?But the wealth differentials are down to the system surely and not the fault of the rich guy. Its also better off he spends the money than let it sit there in a bank gaining interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 But the wealth differentials are down to the system surely and not the fault of the rich guy. Its also better off he spends the money tham let it sit there in a bank gaining interest.Yer i mean it is right that there is wealth differential but i think were in danger of having a out of touch elite at the top and a underclass at the bottom. The collective middle is the most important. people should always have the opportunity to earn more than someone else if they work harder but i don't think any one person should be able to rise massively above or massively below the average person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yer i mean it is right that there is wealth differential but i think were in danger of having a out of touch elite at the top and a underclass at the bottom. The collective middle is the most important. people should always have the opportunity to earn more than someone else if they work harder but i don't think any one person should be able to rise massively above or massively below the average person. I think we already have that tbh, especially in a lot of countries, particularly some countries in places like africa where the population is extremely poor yet the leader is tremendously rich. dave30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I think we already have that tbh, especially in a lot of countries, particularly some countries in places like africa where the population is extremely poor yet the leader is tremendously rich.Yer i agree taxation isn't necessarily the answer, community action and charity work will always be more personal and effective than state intervention. Unfortunately liberalism be it classic, modern or neo now has a monopoly over politics. Nationalism, Socialism or Conservatism don't really have a look in anymore and we miss out on a lot of good ideas due to their exclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yer i agree taxation isn't necessarily the answer, community action and charity work will always be more personal and effective than state intervention. Unfortunately liberalism be it classic, modern or neo now has a monopoly over politics. Nationalism, Socialism or Conservatism don't really have a look in anymore and we miss out on a lot of good ideas due to their exclusion. Well we can blame russia for giving it a bad press... I think it varies greatly from country to country. In the uk we have an extremely detailed benefits system which is often highly critised, and often with good reasoning, as there are many disadvantages particularly in an economic sense, but it does prevent having an extreme underclass, and ensures that on the whole (some exceptions of course) we have a kind of poverty line people will not cross. A liberty which most countries do not have creating a problem with the wealh distribution of a particular country. So where we live, taxation can be effective as it is pumbed back to us in the main, even if we do operate on a budget deficit in the main, although you are definitely correct that it isn't the answer on a worldwide scale as we will get rich people (leaders) taxing poor people and pocketing the money for themselves creating a bigger gap between the richer people in society and the poorer people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well we can blame russia for giving it a bad press... I think it varies greatly from country to country. In the uk we have an extremely detailed benefits system which is often highly critised, and often with good reasoning, as there are many disadvantages particularly in an economic sense, but it does prevent having an extreme underclass, and ensures that on the whole (some exceptions of course) we have a kind of poverty line people will not cross. A liberty which most countries do not have creating a problem with the wealh distribution of a particular country. So where we live, taxation can be effective as it is pumbed back to us in the main, even if we do operate on a budget deficit in the main, although you are definitely correct that it isn't the answer on a worldwide scale as we will get rich people (leaders) taxing poor people and pocketing the money for themselves creating a bigger gap between the richer people in society and the poorer people.Yer im not advocating socialism by any means i actively dislike the philosophy as among other things it favours a big redistributive state as opposed to power devolved to its lowest local level which i think is a better idea, but at its grass roots its encourages commerardary. Liberalism has created a sense of selfish individual consumerism that places competition over community togetherness. Blame immigration or greed, you still get back to the same point, communities are fragmenting and allowing people to go under. The collective system is far better in my opinion than its individualistic counter parts that's why i listed the three systems that (in their true form at lease) adhere to this. Hutcho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Rangers fans are unbelievable they still get 40,000 plus week in week out in division 3 even on a week night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 So, if you don't delete your Instagram account by Jan 15th, you leave your photos open to be sold by them for commercial use without you being paid or even notified of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 People love to hate on the rich and successful, but it's not their fault they're lucky enough to have so much money.They also do not have to give it away because you think that's right - you have the money, fucking enjoy it.Rich people are greedy cunts - end of. I think $200,000 a year is more than enough - you can live unbelievably comfortably for that money. You don't need a $500 million jet, that is unbelievably selfish and how you can look yourself in the mirror after such a purchase is beyond me.There was a motion that failed in Germany recently - after 40,000 euros a month earned, the rest is 100% taxable because your quality of life doesn't improve after that. I think that's a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 So, if you don't delete your Instagram account by Jan 15th, you leave your photos open to be sold by them for commercial use without you being paid or even notified of it.Fuck that. My image is my mine alone and I will not be whored out by some fat cat company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Mole Rat 437 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Rich people are greedy cunts - end of. I think $200,000 a year is more than enough - you can live unbelievably comfortably for that money. You don't need a $500 million jet, that is unbelievably selfish and how you can look yourself in the mirror after such a purchase is beyond me.There was a motion that failed in Germany recently - after 40,000 euros a month earned, the rest is 100% taxable because your quality of life doesn't improve after that. I think that's a good start.This is just shocking. Your conviction is all assumptions, and convictions as strong as yours should be based on more than just assumptions. You stereotype the rich as cunts, but on what basis are you making that claim? Also, if you are correct, the movement in Germany you mentioned and support must be considered an attempt at what could have been one of the worst cases of limitations on civil liberty in the developed part of the world. Hutcho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Fuck that. My image is my mine alone and I will not be whored out by some fat cat company.You're preaching to the choir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Rich people are greedy cunts - end of. I think $200,000 a year is more than enough - you can live unbelievably comfortably for that money. You don't need a $500 million jet, that is unbelievably selfish and how you can look yourself in the mirror after such a purchase is beyond me.There was a motion that failed in Germany recently - after 40,000 euros a month earned, the rest is 100% taxable because your quality of life doesn't improve after that. I think that's a good start.I couldn't disagree more. Just because someone has done well for themselves makes them a greedy cunt. If you work hard and get a great job that pays well then good luck to you. If you can affiord to pay 500 mil for a jet then good luck to you... It's also great news for the economy, meaning that will benefit others through him spending that money.By that logic, you think every single chelsea player is a greedy cunt... Cancel that, every single upper league footballer.Bill gates is a greedy cunt as well who has given BILLIONS to charity.Richard branson is a greedy cunt???And the motion in germany is BS and i am glad it failed! May as well bring back the soviet union and have mass socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 This is just shocking. Your conviction is all assumptions, and convictions as strong as yours should be based on more than just assumptions. You stereotype the rich as cunts, but on what basis are you making that claim? Also, if you are correct, the movement in Germany you mentioned and support must be considered an attempt at what could have been one of the worst cases of limitations on civil liberty in the developed part of the world.100% agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 100% agree.This is just shocking. Your conviction is all assumptions, and convictions as strong as yours should be based on more than just assumptions. You stereotype the rich as cunts, but on what basis are you making that claim? Also, if you are correct, the movement in Germany you mentioned and support must be considered an attempt at what could have been one of the worst cases of limitations on civil liberty in the developed part of the world.I couldn't disagree more. Just because someone has done well for themselves makes them a greedy cunt. If you work hard and get a great job that pays well then good luck to you. If you can affiord to pay 500 mil for a jet then good luck to you... It's also great news for the economy, meaning that will benefit others through him spending that money.By that logic, you think every single chelsea player is a greedy cunt... Cancel that, every single upper league footballer.Bill gates is a greedy cunt as well who has given BILLIONS to charity.Richard branson is a greedy cunt???And the motion in germany is BS and i am glad it failed! May as well bring back the soviet union and have mass socialism.We have different political views, friends And obviously some rich people are nice, but almost all are greedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 And the motion in germany is BS and i am glad it failed! May as well bring back the soviet union and have mass socialism.Well...I am an anarcho-socilaist with emphasis on anarcho-syndicalism so.. EBH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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