iseah100 5,612 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I still think that's a bit different then a crane falling on its worshiper....Yea, shit happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUMB 189 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I still think that's a bit different then a crane falling on its worshiper....You are an outstanding troll, or really deluded. If you stand behind the words you are saying, you'd be an atheist right now. Liquidator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 You are an outstanding troll, or really deluded. If you stand behind the words you are saying, you'd be an atheist right now.One it's man made problem the other happen because of the elements. If you believe in God who controls the elements? Man have free will to do what they want. The one true God should be able to withhold its elements from killing its worshiper. I'm sorry but if something like that happened to me while I'm there I be like "I'm either serving a fake God and he's not the one true God" or it doesn't exist. Only two conclusion I will come after something like that for me. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 One it's made made problem the other happen because of the elements. If you believe in God who controls the elements? Man have free will to do what they want. The one true God should be able to withhold its elements from killing its worshiper. I'm sorry but if something like that happened to me while I'm there I be like "I'm either serving a fake God and he's not the one true God" or it doesn't exist. Only two conclusion I will come after something like that for me.I kinda agree and it certainly was my first thought @Choulo please don't take offence - I saw your rather curt reply on the previous page.If this happened to any religion it's A) tragic for the people and families involved definitely makes you ask the question where was my protection from an omnipresent force. In this case at a pilgrimage in Mecca - that's like the Indy500 of worshipping - if you can't be protected there, where?Religion has caused too many wars and killed too many people for me to take it seriously - I take guidance from all religions (I have taken time to educate myself) - but I mostly follow Science - yes it has no answers for what created the big bang, but it is doing stellar work in the periods after the HyperNova's Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUMB 189 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 One it's man made problem the other happen because of the elements.If you believe in God who controls the elements?Man have free will to do what they want.The one true God should be able to withhold its elements from killing its worshiper.I'm sorry but if something like that happened to me while I'm there I be like"I'm either serving a fake God and he's not the one true God" or it doesn't exist.Only two conclusion I will come after something like that for me.Wow... I don't have time for this.I consider myself a Christian, Catholic. And if, for example in my town, lightning strikes into bell towerand it collapses onto church, and a lot of people die there, I wouldn't blame God for that,and I wouldn't lose my faith in him, because it would be a tragedy, a great one, but it doesn't meanthat God in which i believe doesn't exist. In my town that tragedy would create an opposite effect,stronger faith, helping the victims families, collecting the money for rebuilding the church ect.I must say, if you think that way, the faith is not strong in you...Also, if you read the Bible, you would know that God stopped showing himself to the people sincewe started counting years. At least the Bible says so. We have the Bible which tells us in many storieshow to live and how to behave, it teaches us about morale in all those stories which are all metaphors.Its not about stories, its about the messages behind those stories. A true Christian doesn't botherwith question if Jesus was real or not, a true Christian tries to live by the morale and the messages thatare behind the stories. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm open to the concept of there being a God, but I generally side with Stephen Fry on the matter: Stingray and robsblubot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 "God stopped showing himself to the people sincewe started counting years." I can't help but think how convenient is that, huh. BlueLion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 @CHOULO19,Is it a universal Muslim belief that dying at Mecca whilst on a pilgrimage is an honour? Or that is only believed in certain sects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUMB 189 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 "God stopped showing himself to the people sincewe started counting years." I can't help but think how convenient is that, huh.Its from the Bible, you have stories in the Old testament in which there is always God showing himself to the people.And then in the New testament everything changes, and the story of Jesus begins.As I already said, all stories are metaphors for something, and every one of then has some message behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Its from the Bible, you have stories in the Old testament in which there is always God showing himself to the people.And then in the New testament everything changes, and the story of Jesus begins.As I already said, all stories are metaphors for something, and every one of then has some message behind.I was just thinking that if was running a fraud it would be a nice touch to have one of the main concepts consist in blindly following the rules and also would be nice if the thing that could undeniably prove or disprove everything decided to never show up.Pretty much every religion I know has these in abundance. What a weird coincidence! But I digress. dUMB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 What is your disgusting profile picturo Dion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 What is your disgusting profile picturo Dion?It's Catbug! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 It's Catbug!more like CatFAGHAHAHAHAHAHA BlueLion., iseah100 and Rmpr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 more like CatFAGHAHAHAHAHAHAU jelly m8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 U jelly m8?Y-yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Y-yeah.What about your profile picture? That's not even the best version of the player's rival in Pokemon games.Blue > Gary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 What about your profile picture? That's not even the best version of the player's rival in Pokemon games.Blue > Gary.Blue doesn't even have a Ferrari full of cheerleaders. Guess who does? Rmpr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Blue doesn't even have a Ferrari full of cheerleaders. Guess who does?Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Wow... I don't have time for this.I consider myself a Christian, Catholic. And if, for example in my town, lightning strikes into bell towerand it collapses onto church, and a lot of people die there, I wouldn't blame God for that,and I wouldn't lose my faith in him, because it would be a tragedy, a great one, but it doesn't meanthat God in which i believe doesn't exist. In my town that tragedy would create an opposite effect,stronger faith, helping the victims families, collecting the money for rebuilding the church ect.I must say, if you think that way, the faith is not strong in you...Also, if you read the Bible, you would know that God stopped showing himself to the people sincewe started counting years. At least the Bible says so. We have the Bible which tells us in many storieshow to live and how to behave, it teaches us about morale in all those stories which are all metaphors.Its not about stories, its about the messages behind those stories. A true Christian doesn't botherwith question if Jesus was real or not, a true Christian tries to live by the morale and the messages thatare behind the stories.In my town that tragedy would create an opposite effect,stronger faith, helping the victims families, collecting the money for rebuilding the church ect.You don't need religion to show this. It's called humanity, showing compassion for your earthly brother. Majority of us would do this. September 11 was a good illustration. No matter what religion you was or if you didn't believe in god people in general came together and helped. Also, if you read the Bible, you would know that God stopped showing himself to the people sincewe started counting years. At least the Bible says so. Cared to share how you come to this conclusion?A true Christian doesn't botherwith question if Jesus was real or not, a true Christian tries to live by the morale and the messages thatare behind the stories. Interesting believes. This reminds me of the episode of South Park on the Mormons. At the end the little Mormon kid said he didn't care weather if his believe was true or false but that it just gave them rules and guides to live by a happy life. And that's exactly what you summarize here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUMB 189 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 You don't need religion to show this. It's called humanity, showing compassion for your earthly brother. Majority of us would do this. September 11 was a good illustration. No matter what religion you was or if you didn't believe in god people in general came together and helped. True, and that's exactly what our religion teaches us. And yet, you say that you would probably stop believing in God if something like that happens while you are there.It's not God's fault if something bad happens, its natural disaster or human's fault. And what if after that you experience some God's miracle? Then you would believe again?There's a saying in my language.... How the wind blows... (laughing at the people who changes their opinions and beliefs too often to be taken seriously)Cared to share how you come to this conclusion? Well, its a fact. In New testament of the Bible i.e. stories of it, God is no more showing to people or talking to them. He sent his son Jesus to share his teachings. Interesting believes. This reminds me of the episode of South Park on the Mormons. At the end the little Mormon kid said he didn't care weather if his believe was true or false but that it just gave them rules and guides to live by a happy life. And that's exactly what you summarize here. And what is the purpose of the teachings from the Bible? To worship the almighty God? To blindly and literally interpret all the stories from the Bible? Please enlighten me...I believe that you are a good person, but you are way to conservative, and you are taking a lot of things in Christianity literally, and I noticed that people often tease you in this topic because of that. I think that it doesn't matter if Jesus turned water into wine, but that important thing is his legacy and his teachings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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