The Next Manager?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Two pensioners who have either stated or suggested they're retiring....Neither is really a long-term option if we're being honest but if you want to throw their name into the ring then go for it.

Who would you like us to hire 6 months after we hire them?

Is any of the options, bar Jose, long-term? They're the same as everyone else, if they don't win trophies and challenge for the tittle they will be gone and same applies for Moyes.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Martinez is more top job calibre than Moyes. Martinez is innovative, plays a formation no one else in the league uses, and his team plays good football - the problem for him is the low quality players he has at his disposal. On the other hand i don't rate Moyes at all, not to mention Martinez knocked him out of the Fa cup, at home.

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Martinez is more top job calibre than Moyes. Martinez is innovative, plays a formation no one else in the league uses, and his team plays good football - the problem for him is the low quality players he has at his disposal. On the other hand i don't rate Moyes at all, not to mention Martinez knocked him out of the Fa cup, at home.

I think Martinez is an interesting manager. Like Moyes at Everton, he's probably overachieved at Wigan although they look to be going down this season. But he also begin the transformation at Swansea that Rodgers and Laudrup have built on.

The problem he has is being a bit more pragmatic and grinding out results this season.He deserves to stay in the Prem with another team but I think he's got zero chance of coming here this summer.

If you look at Moyes this season, he got Everton pushing for a Champions League spot despite making a profit in the transfer market.

[Sheva. 5,373]

I think Martinez is an interesting manager. Like Moyes at Everton, he's probably overachieved at Wigan although they look to be going down this season. But he also begin the transformation at Swansea that Rodgers and Laudrup have built on.

The problem he has is being a bit more pragmatic and grinding out results this season.He deserves to stay in the Prem with another team but I think he's got zero chance of coming here this summer.

If you look at Moyes this season, he got Everton pushing for a Champions League spot despite making a profit in the transfer market.

Yeah we're not getting him for sure, but like Whelan keeps saying, sooner or later he will eventually land a top job. As for Moyes, yes he has done well, but i'm more concerned with the type of tactics we will be using. Everton play a lot of route one, hoof the ball to Fellaini or Anichebe stuff, as if we didn't do too much of that already lol.

[Jase 43,479]

Martinez is more top job calibre than Moyes. Martinez is innovative, plays a formation no one else in the league uses, and his team plays good football - the problem for him is the low quality players he has at his disposal. On the other hand i don't rate Moyes at all, not to mention Martinez knocked him out of the Fa cup, at home.

I know the players Martinez has at Wigan isn't exactly great but isn't it somewhat of a concern that Wigan are always in the relegation fight every season? There just doesn't seem to be any progression whatsoever from him in taking Wigan bit by bit to the next level. Also for all the good passing football Wigan plays, Martinez seems pretty stubborn in not changing/alter the style a bit when the going gets tough. And he always go into every game trying to implement his own style of play regardless of the opposition as well as without any regards to actually stop Wigan's opponent from playing. You might get away with that managing a top team but considering Martinez is managing Wigan, he doesn't seem adaptable enough to change things around when it's not working. And his constant positivity and optimism after every match even when Wigan have lost is rather annoying.

[Hutcho 8,443]

I respect your opinion but i would not agree on it completely.

These are purely numbers which has been created and complied in a way which provides what the managers have been doing for the last 3 years. Now whether Moyes would have played a certain formation or not is very subjective at this point of time. But the person has taken the last 3 year compilation and have come up with a good stats of all the top manager, U can never get accurate projections,

In my opinion, If your an analytical guy you would understand these forecast more than anyone else.

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[Hutcho 8,443]

I respect your opinion but i would not agree on it completely.

These are purely numbers which has been created and complied in a way which provides what the managers have been doing for the last 3 years. Now whether Moyes would have played a certain formation or not is very subjective at this point of time. But the person has taken the last 3 year compilation and have come up with a good stats of all the top manager, U can never get accurate projections,

In my opinion, If your an analytical guy you would understand these forecast more than anyone else.

I get that they can be useful in some circumstances, say of your comparing just one thing, but i think it's extremely hard to draw any accurate conclusions and comparisons due to each being in a different situation.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Apparently, we should sign him because he's British..

no way, not for me. If its a british manager we were after id want Clarkie all day but britishness is not a necessity. If jose aint coming back, golden guus can't be lured and klopp isnt leaving dortmund (which he still might once his squad is picked apart this summer) id personally like pellegrini. Thought his Madrid team were great to watch and were fairly unlucky that year not to win la liga. Also done well with malaga this year in UCL even with the problems off field.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Or because he is "EPL proven"...

proven that he can sustain mediocrity...just about

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proven that he can sustain mediocrity...just about

Mediocrity last season was one spot behind us with a net transfer spend of MINUS £12.5 million.

Just to put that into context (in case anyone doesn't realise how spectacular an achievement that is) we spent £60 million to finish one spot ahead and Liverpool spent £35 million to finish one spot behind.

Then realise he's done something like that every season for the last six and the word 'mediocrity' is a tad unfair. Can you give a single justification for his achievements at Everton being in any way, shape or form mediocre?

It would be like me asking you to go off and build me an F1 car that can compete at the top end of the sport, oh and I'd like change thanks. Oh, you only came 8th in the British Grand Prix?? How mediocre.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Mediocrity last season was one spot behind us with a net transfer spend of MINUS £12.5 million.

Just to put that into context (in case anyone doesn't realise how spectacular an achievement that is) we spent £60 million to finish one spot ahead and Liverpool spent £35 million to finish one spot behind.

Then realise he's done something like that every season for the last six and the word 'mediocrity' is a tad unfair. Can you give a single justification for his achievements at Everton being in any way, shape or form mediocre?

It would be like me asking you to go off and build me an F1 car that can compete at the top end of the sport, oh and I'd like change thanks. Oh, you only came 8th in the British Grand Prix?? How mediocre.

yes I can sum up mediocre...hes done NOTHING. Im not being overly critical of the guy am i, he's done nothing! Finishing one behind us is great if we are at our usual 1,2,3 but we finished a woeful 5th. Who cares if he finished 6th? It means nothing. His teams dont progress any more than any other year they just fluctuate around the middle. His "best" achievement was getting to the fa cup final. Harry redknapp has won more with a lesser team, Michael laudrup has won more with a lesser team. Im not being harsh on him here but when did this club decend to the levels of contemplating a manager whos best stat that you can give me is that he finished behind us the year that we finished in our lowest position in over a decade?

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yes I can sum up mediocre...hes done NOTHING. Im not being overly critical of the guy am i, he's done nothing! Finishing one behind us is great if we are at our usual 1,2,3 but we finished a woeful 5th. Who cares if he finished 6th? It means nothing. His teams dont progress any more than any other year they just fluctuate around the middle. His "best" achievement was getting to the fa cup final. Harry redknapp has won more with a lesser team, Michael laudrup has won more with a lesser team. Im not being harsh on him here but when did this club decend to the levels of contemplating a manager whos best stat that you can give me is that he finished behind us the year that we finished in our lowest position in over a decade?

Let's put Harry's 'achievements' at Portsmouth into context. In the season the won the Cup he had a net spend of £21 million. The season before he had a net spend of £13 million. Winning the FA Cup was a fantastic achievement (although the semi-final was against West Brom and the Final was against Cardiff, but they did beat Man United as well) but look at where Portsmouth are now. To use a financial term, they are fucked. Now you could look at his transfers and admire the way he bought players in cheap and sold them for more, but you have to look at the totality of his tenure and where he left the club.

But there's no getting around the fact that Moyes doesn't have trophies to his name yet if that's all we're going to judge managers on then we should discount Pellegrini too. In fact Redknapp has a better record than both of them but I wouldn't want him near this club.

What Moyes does is surpass expectations. It says something that you think Everton should be doing better than they are. The reality of the situation is that they should be nowhere near where they have been for the last half of a decade. They've spent less (net) than over 75% of the teams currently in the Premier League in that time. By all rights they should be fighting relegation, not for a Champions League spot.

I can't give you a stat that tells you he's the best we can do. But can you give me a single reason why Everton should be in the position they're in right now? It's a phenomenal achievement by any measure.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Let's put Harry's 'achievements' at Portsmouth into context. In the season the won the Cup he had a net spend of £21 million. The season before he had a net spend of £13 million. Winning the FA Cup was a fantastic achievement (although the semi-final was against West Brom and the Final was against Cardiff, but they did beat Man United as well) but look at where Portsmouth are now. To use a financial term, they are fucked. Now you could look at his transfers and admire the way he bought players in cheap and sold them for more, but you have to look at the totality of his tenure and where he left the club.

But there's no getting around the fact that Moyes doesn't have trophies to his name yet if that's all we're going to judge managers on then we should discount Pellegrini too. In fact Redknapp has a better record than both of them but I wouldn't want him near this club.

What Moyes does is surpass expectations. It says something that you think Everton should be doing better than they are. The reality of the situation is that they should be nowhere near where they have been for the last half of a decade. They've spent less (net) than over 75% of the teams currently in the Premier League in that time. By all rights they should be fighting relegation, not for a Champions League spot.

I can't give you a stat that tells you he's the best we can do. But can you give me a single reason why Everton should be in the position they're in right now? It's a phenomenal achievement by any measure.

no stats but suffice to say the teams who would usually be there abouts have significantly under achieved whilst everton have been better. Do you think this is reason enough to hand the reigns to moyes? I certainly do not! Plus money spent accounts for nout, we have a 50 million pound striker up front but that doesnt mean a thing performance wise. Stats and figures are VERY misleading at times.

[Leif 6,006]

Mourinho here. Ancelotti to Madrid. Pellegrini to PSG. I could see that happening.

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no stats but suffice to say the teams who would usually be there abouts have significantly under achieved whilst everton have been better. Do you think this is reason enough to hand the reigns to moyes? I certainly do not! Plus money spent accounts for nout, we have a 50 million pound striker up front but that doesnt mean a thing performance wise. Stats and figures are VERY misleading at times.

The greater the resources, the more successful teams are - that's the general rule. It's why Rangers and Celtic dominate the SPL, Barca and Real dominate La Liga, why PSG will dominate the French league for years to come and why the teams who have won the Premier League have generally spent the most (United, Arsenal, City, Blackburn and.....um, there's one other whose name escapes me).

Just to put Everton's finances into context, the teams either side above and below them in net spend over the last five years are Wigan and Reading - two teams almost certain to go down.

Now of course there are exceptions (QPR have spent loads, Arsenal have made profits) but in general resources determine success. On paper, Everton have absolutely no right being in the position they're in and Moyes deserves credit for that. He's ready for a step up and if we're not in the running for a top, top manager then he's got to be in the discussion.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

The greater the resources, the more successful teams are - that's the general rule. It's why Rangers and Celtic dominate the SPL, Barca and Real dominate La Liga, why PSG will dominate the French league for years to come and why the teams who have won the Premier League have generally spent the most (United, Arsenal, City, Blackburn and.....um, there's one other whose name escapes me).

Just to put Everton's finances into context, the teams either side above and below them in net spend over the last five years are Wigan and Reading - two teams almost certain to go down.

Now of course there are exceptions (QPR have spent loads, Arsenal have made profits) but in general resources determine success. On paper, Everton have absolutely no right being in the position they're in and Moyes deserves credit for that. He's ready for a step up and if we're not in the running for a top, top manager then he's got to be in the discussion.

mate you keep talking figures and money, there is no rule that dictates that the most money spent wins! We spent much more than united this term and hows that working out? Same way that saying because everton dont spend a lot its a phenomenal job moyes is doing to have them missing out on UCL positions, its not! He's not a top manager, hes a decent manager, I wouldnt begrudge him that much but hes not a top man.i cant be bothered looking up tables from years gone by but im fairly sure there are teams who have spent less than everton again who have achieved the 'feat' of finishing in the europa league spots. We are noy going to agree on this but safe to say if moyes was hired in the summer (he wont be) id be gutted

[Rmpr 8,977]

Mourinho here. Ancelotti to Madrid. Pellegrini to PSG. I could see that happening.

I can see even further, Mancini to PSG and Pellegrini to ManCity.