Styles 9,790 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 And praytell how would he go about it? Do you really think Chelsea has the players to support a 3-5-2? Look at Juve, now look at Chelsea, now look at Juve again. What do you see? The same team? Chielini - Barzagli - BonucciPirloLiechsteiner - Marchisio - Vidal - AsamoahGiovinco - Quagliarella Where are Mata, Oscar and Hazard going to fit? Surely not in midfield, using their fleet feet in replacement of Marchisio's and Vidal's grit and hardwork? What about Mikel? He isn't Pirlo... Ramires would be a dream in that Juve team, though. Does Chelsea have the CBs to support this formation? Can Azpilicueta and Cole cut it at wide midfield?Terry - Luiz - CahillMikelAzpilicueta - Lampard - Ramires - ColeMata - Ba That doesn't look to flashy and effective to me. Oscar and Hazard are being wased on the bench.First of all, this is a hypothetical situation that would only come into play next season which would allow the new manager to sign players suited to his tactics whether that's 3-5-2 or anything else.Some of the players we have now could easily work well in a 3-5-2. Take Luiz for instance, he's almost the prototype of the defender you want in a back three; athletic, talented on the ball and intercepts well. But , as you mentioned, we also have players unsuited to that formation.The point I'm making is counting out a manager because he uses is a different formation doesn't make any sense. When Mourinho showed up with his patented 4-3-3 I'm sure people were saying it would never work in a country dominated by 4-4-2 yet we lived on that formation for the best part of a decade even after his departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 First of all, this a hypothetical situation that would only come into play next season which would allow the new manager to sign players suited to his tactics whether that's 3-5-2 or anything else.Some of the players we have now could easily work well in a 3-5-2. Take Luiz for instance, he's almost the prototype of the defender you want in a back three; athletic, talented on the ball and intercepts well. But , as you mentioned, we also have players unsuited to that formation.The point I'm making is counting out a manager because he uses is a different formation doesn't make any sense. When Mourinho showed up with his patented 4-3-3 I'm sure people were saying it would never work in a country dominated by 4-4-2 yet we lived on that formation for the best part of a decade even after his departure.But the 4-4-2 to the 4-3-3 is much more natural evolution than the 4-2-3-1 to the 3-5-2? The only thing that changes in a 4-3-3 is that a striker is sacrificed for another midfielder, big woop. The wingers of the 4 are still there but counted as fowards. The 3-5-2 is a complete restructering, not only are fullbacks eliminated but an extra CB is added to the mix. Attacking Midfielders have to play basically as fowards and the midfield is basicall the same as a 4-3-3.What's the point of buying a manager that has a completely different ethos? It's just going to create further confusion and ambiguity at the club. This team has no ethos, no soul, no culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 And I thought there is something interesting here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 No one is saying 3-5-2 wont work in the EPL. It'd just be ludicrous to implement anything other than 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 or permutations of them, simply due to the fact that those are the only formations that fit the squad we seem to be trying to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Redknapp-would-love-to-see-mourinho-return-to-chelsea"Should he leave Real Madrid there are only one or two clubs over here which could possibly accommodate him," said Redknapp."And, of course, one of those is Chelseahttp://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2013/03/10/3815188/redknapp-would-love-to-see-mourinho-return-to-chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 But the 4-4-2 to the 4-3-3 is much more natural evolution than the 4-2-3-1 to the 3-5-2? The only thing that changes in a 4-3-3 is that a striker is sacrificed for another midfielder, big woop. The wingers of the 4 are still there but counted as fowards. The 3-5-2 is a complete restructering, not only are fullbacks eliminated but an extra CB is added to the mix. Attacking Midfielders have to play basically as fowards and the midfield is basicall the same as a 4-3-3.What's the point of buying a manager that has a completely different ethos? It's just going to create further confusion and ambiguity at the club. This team has no ethos, no soul, no culture.Our team has changed a lot in recent years. With the group of young players we have now and those emerging they have no real set formation that they can only function in. Then you throw in transfers still to be made and this team has no real default system, any new manager would have to devise formations, strategies and so on. Other than the quandary of fitting Hazard, Oscar and Mata into a 3-5-2 there is a lot of room for manoeuvre. The fullbacks aren't eliminated, they're just required to play like wingbacks. It can be argued that they practically already do right now. What I think a 3-5-2 would allow us to do is swamp the midfield and press teams up high.We don't have an ethos. We just have a formation that happens to suit some of the players we have now. And as players come and go we need to develop new ways of playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 'Cadena SER': Mourinho to leave Madrid in the summer Speaking on Spanish radio, the journalist José Ramón de la Morena has insisted that Real Madrid coach José Mourinho is to leave the Santiago Bernabéu at the end of the season.De la Morena also shed light on the Portuguese coach's next managerial step, saying: "He has already signed a deal with his next club. Whatever he wins this season, he isn't going to continue at Madrid."FROM BIG SPANISH RADIO SHOW AND A RELIABLE JOURNALIST.http://www.as.com/english/articulo/cadena-ser-mourinho-to-leave/20130311dasdenspo_1/Tenhttp://translate.google.co.il/translate?sl=iw&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=iw&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sport5.co.il%2FHTML%2Farticles%2FArticle.378.139111.html&act=url Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 'Cadena SER': Mourinho to leave Madrid in the summer Speaking on Spanish radio, the journalist José Ramón de la Morena has insisted that Real Madrid coach José Mourinho is to leave the Santiago Bernabéu at the end of the season.De la Morena also shed light on the Portuguese coach's next managerial step, saying: "He has already signed a deal with his next club. Whatever he wins this season, he isn't going to continue at Madrid."FROM BIG SPANISH RADIO SHOW AND A RELIABLE JOURNALIST.http://www.as.com/english/articulo/cadena-ser-mourinho-to-leave/20130311dasdenspo_1/Tenhttp://translate.google.co.il/translate?sl=iw&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=iw&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sport5.co.il%2FHTML%2Farticles%2FArticle.378.139111.html&act=urlMORE:http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20130311/real-madrid/jose-mourinho-se-marcha_54369169603.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,959 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 He has already signed a deal with his next club.This would go hand in hand with what WHS suggested a couple of days ago, that José is our next manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Come Back to papa ROMAN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 Our team has changed a lot in recent years. With the group of young players we have now and those emerging they have no real set formation that they can only function in. Then you throw in transfers still to be made and this team has no real default system, any new manager would have to devise formations, strategies and so on. Other than the quandary of fitting Hazard, Oscar and Mata into a 3-5-2 there is a lot of room for manoeuvre. The fullbacks aren't eliminated, they're just required to play like wingbacks. It can be argued that they practically already do right now. What I think a 3-5-2 would allow us to do is swamp the midfield and press teams up high.We don't have an ethos. We just have a formation that happens to suit some of the players we have now. And as players come and go we need to develop new ways of playing.Not sure if I agree that we don't have an ethos or formation. If you look at age group teams then they all play either 433 or increasingly 4231. If you look at our players out on loan a few of them have gone to teams who also play those formations at least some of the time, e.g. Lukaku at West Brom or Chalobah at Watford.The younger teams have tended to reflect Mourinho's formation since he left as well, which means they've played in 433 but with a greater emphasis on breaking with speed. In fact it's interesting to see that in the last couple of years both our club and Mourinho's Madrid have moved to a 4231 although there are subtle differences in the way each play.Our problem has been defensive stability - that's essential to the formation working because you do give your attacking 4 a lot of freedom and you also need width from your full-backs. Possession retention and transitioning into defence quickly are the most important things in this formation and it's something that Mourinho could probably be very useful instilling in our squad. It's part of the reason why I think he could be ideal for us - his ethos informed our youth development over the last 7 years and he could come back and 'upgrade' it, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 He has already signed a deal with his next club.This would go hand in hand with what WHS suggested a couple of days ago, that José is our next manager.Please Be true....No more New updates? @We Hate Scouse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristian Gabriel 8 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Dan Petrescu in my opinion si a good choice for Chelsea. He`s a good young manager and he really loves Chelsea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Not sure if I agree that we don't have an ethos or formation. If you look at age group teams then they all play either 433 or increasingly 4231. If you look at our players out on loan a few of them have gone to teams who also play those formations at least some of the time, e.g. Lukaku at West Brom or Chalobah at Watford.The younger teams have tended to reflect Mourinho's formation since he left as well, which means they've played in 433 but with a greater emphasis on breaking with speed. In fact it's interesting to see that in the last couple of years both our club and Mourinho's Madrid have moved to a 4231 although there are subtle differences in the way each play.Our problem has been defensive stability - that's essential to the formation working because you do give your attacking 4 a lot of freedom and you also need width from your full-backs. Possession retention and transitioning into defence quickly are the most important things in this formation and it's something that Mourinho could probably be very useful instilling in our squad. It's part of the reason why I think he could be ideal for us - his ethos informed our youth development over the last 7 years and he could come back and 'upgrade' it, so to speak.Defensively we're a shambles, there's no doubt Mourinho would improve that almost immediately. He would restore order and hold players accountable. The biggest impact he would have on the team is psychological and that goes a long way at the highest level. My biggest hope is that he wants a quicker and more dynamic back three or four having worked with the likes of Varane, Ramos, Marcelo etc. Our use of the ball from the back is rubbish and we struggle to build play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumps 284 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I would love Jose. i think we would all love Jose. The media would love it if we got Jose - they want us to get Jose! but the reality is not so simple. Jose left because he wasn't getting the control he exepcted. the only way he will return is if Roman allows Jose the power, which will most likely not happen.I hope we get a decent manager and i hope we have that manager long term. I honestly think if we still had AVB right now we would be in a good place (dont think we would have won the champions league though...).Do people think Roman is going to stop sacking managers becasue of a few bad results? or is he going to keep going through them till he finds someone who never loses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 'Cadena SER': Mourinho to leave Madrid in the summer Speaking on Spanish radio, the journalist José Ramón de la Morena has insisted that Real Madrid coach José Mourinho is to leave the Santiago Bernabéu at the end of the season.De la Morena also shed light on the Portuguese coach's next managerial step, saying: "He has already signed a deal with his next club. Whatever he wins this season, he isn't going to continue at Madrid."FROM BIG SPANISH RADIO SHOW AND A RELIABLE JOURNALIST.http://www.as.com/english/articulo/cadena-ser-mourinho-to-leave/20130311dasdenspo_1/Tenhttp://translate.google.co.il/translate?sl=iw&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=iw&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sport5.co.il%2FHTML%2Farticles%2FArticle.378.139111.html&act=urlIs that like the equivilant of someone saying it on talksport???PLEASE LET IT BE TRUE AND MAKE US BE THE TEAM HE GOES TO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 My mate said there is no way jose would consider going back to chelsea, and i would love to prove him wrong...Come on Jose... We need you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butchercoat 60 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Butch has put up Gus Poyet as an ideal manager for Chelsea. Personally, if it isn't going to be Jose please let it be David Moyes, but as I've said before I think that he's the next Man U manager in waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama 1,992 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 if the second coming of Jose Mourinho fails....then I for one woulf go...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Pellegrini would be dreadful. 3-5-2? Hell naw, that isn't going to work at Chelsea.Chelsea's main dilemma is that the club has way too many number 10 attacking midfield/deep lying foward types. Which strangely enough the polar opposite was the problem a few years back, everyone and their dog was praying for a real number 10.LOL what 3-5-2?I have followed Pellegrini throughout his career, where are getting this 3-5-2 from and if he has used that formation it would be a rarity and was due to special circumstances. confused with Roberto Martinez?Pellegrini favorite formation is 4-4-2/4-2-2-2 btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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