Mikel John Obi

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Completely lost Rabiot for the 1st goal. I have no idea what Hiddink sees in him. His time at the club has been up for a while. No idea what he's still doing here. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Just now, MrExcalibur100 said:

Completely lost Rabiot for the 1st goal. I have no idea what Hiddink sees in him. His time at the club has been up for a while. No idea what he's still doing here. 

Think that's unfair. Given he has out performed Matic for much of the season what do you want Guus to do? Play an under performing CDM/CM or Mikel who's playing better?  Hes been a big part of how we've turned it around because he gives Cesc a bit more freedom to play at times and that is very underrated by many on here. 

 

 

....waiitng for someone to say play RLC instead of a DM next to Fabregas.. 

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Completely lost Rabiot for the 1st goal. I have no idea what Hiddink sees in him. His time at the club has been up for a while. No idea what he's still doing here. 

He should've been sold years ago...

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6 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Think that's unfair. Given he has out performed Matic for much of the season what do you want Guus to do? Play an under performing CDM/CM or Mikel who's playing better?  Hes been a big part of how we've turned it around because he gives Cesc a bit more freedom to play at times and that is very underrated by many on here. 

 

 

....waiitng for someone to say play RLC instead of a DM next to Fabregas.. 

He's not under-rated by anyone because if Chelsea have the aspirations of a "big club," then Mikel isn't good enough.  If we're going for medriocrity, Mikel's fine.  let's see what happens in MF with the WHU match.

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9 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Completely lost Rabiot for the 1st goal. I have no idea what Hiddink sees in him. His time at the club has been up for a while. No idea what he's still doing here. 

He is the quick solution to Matic, limited DM once called world class.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Was probably our best player yesterday. Won most of the balls that led to our attacks and gave Di Maria no space at all in the middle where he hurt us the most in Paris. 

 

10 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Completely lost Rabiot for the 1st goal. I have no idea what Hiddink sees in him. His time at the club has been up for a while. No idea what he's still doing here. 

HE lost Rabiot?!  The man almost high-fived Willian as he went past him:

 

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our best player? he slidetackled imaginary players like 6 times. says alot about our performance 

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Mikel got a 6.2 from whoscored for psg game. About the same on squawka. Along with courtois and Oscar our worst players according to them.

had zero interceptions, 30% of his tackles worked.

not my opinion, just what i read and saw out there and to contrast with the vocal minority here.

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1 hour ago, Robguima said:

Mikel got a 6.2 from whoscored for psg game. About the same on squawka. Along with courtois and Oscar our worst players according to them.

had zero interceptions, 30% of his tackles worked.

not my opinion, just what i read and saw out there and to contrast with the vocal minority here.

Lol 

Not the 1st time I see you using argument of authority quoting whoscored. Mate, who cares about whoscored? Who cares If a stats site gave Mikel 6.2. Mikel was far form great, but he wasn't the worst Chelsea player on the pitch. Football is NOT about stats and this kind of objective numbers. For example, a player like Azpilicueta, in terms of stats, might be doing better than Mikel, but at the end of the day "whoscored" will evaluate his crucial mistake in the same way it evaluates a mistake from Mikel in not dangerous area of the pitch. In a Game that the CF barely touches the ball, he will get a low score, but the problem might be playmakers unable to give him the ball, and that problem you won't see in the stats, and stats won't tell you the difference between a legendary goal and a tap in.

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22 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

Was probably our best player yesterday. Won most of the balls that led to our attacks and gave Di Maria no space at all in the middle where he hurt us the most in Paris. 

 

HE lost Rabiot?!  The man almost high-fived Willian as he went past him:

 

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Agree that wasn't exactly a Mikel's mistake, to other side, when you realize Rabiot was almost inside the goal when he scored, its really hard to point the fingers to attacking player for not being marking the man in that positions of the field. 

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50 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Lol 

Not the 1st time I see you using argument of authority quoting whoscored. Mate, who cares about whoscored? Who cares If a stats site gave Mikel 6.2. Mikel was far form great, but he wasn't the worst Chelsea player on the pitch. Football is NOT about stats and this kind of objective numbers. For example, a player like Azpilicueta, in terms of stats, might be doing better than Mikel, but at the end of the day "whoscored" will evaluate his crucial mistake in the same way it evaluates a mistake from Mikel in not dangerous area of the pitch. In a Game that the CF barely touches the ball, he will get a low score, but the problem might be playmakers unable to give him the ball, and that problem you won't see in the stats, and stats won't tell you the difference between a legendary goal and a tap in.

This has literally nothing to do with what I wrote. You seem to be disagreeing with your imaginary friend again.

Did he make a mistake? Couldn't care less... did not know.

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46 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Agree that wasn't exactly a Mikel's mistake, to other side, when you realize Rabiot was almost inside the goal when he scored, its really hard to point the fingers to attacking player for not being marking the man in that positions of the field. 

Yeah, I don't mean that it's actually Willian's fault. Someone should have picked him up once he went into the box. But obviously all of this would have been irrelevant had Kenedey and especially Cahill not made huge mistakes in the goal.

 

2 hours ago, Robguima said:

Mikel got a 6.2 from whoscored for psg game. About the same on squawka. Along with courtois and Oscar our worst players according to them.

had zero interceptions, 30% of his tackles worked.

not my opinion, just what i read and saw out there and to contrast with the vocal minority here.

That's just simply false as I remember, off the top of my head at least two interceptions he made inside PSG's half that set up attacks for us. One of the reasons why those stats and ratings mean little...

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24 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Yeah, I don't mean that it's actually Willian's fault. Someone should have picked him up once he went into the box. But obviously all of this would have been irrelevant had Kenedey and especially Cahill not made huge mistakes in the goal.

 

That's just simply false as I remember, off the top of my head at least two interceptions he made inside PSG's half that set up attacks for us. One of the reasons why those stats and ratings mean little...

world goes around... a few pages back and it is you quoting stats from these same sites... pass completion.

But fair enough. My apparently too subtle point is that perhaps your opinion of Mikel is the extravagant one. He doesn't seem to be the most popular player out there - fans, pundits, sites, and former players.

I think this site has very peculiar opinions about certain players - some too favorable and some too negative. Very easy to determine which is which.

I personally think Mikel will be forgotten the same month he leaves the club. I'm just choosing to ignore him sooner *.

* I barely watch Chelsea play these days - not something I enjoy doing so I just don't. Perhaps next season... cheers

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17 minutes ago, Robguima said:

world goes around... a few pages back and it is you quoting stats from these same sites... pass completion.

But fair enough. My apparently too subtle point is that perhaps your opinion of Mikel is the extravagant one. He doesn't seem to be the most popular player out there - fans, pundits, sites, and former players.

I think this site has very peculiar opinions about certain players - some too favorable and some too negative. Very easy to determine which is which.

I personally think Mikel will be forgotten the same month he leaves the club. I'm just choosing to ignore him sooner.

I used stats about specifics, I don't use stats to evaluate a player or even a single performance of his, and certainly not those stupid 'scores'! 

So, when someone says that Mikel only passes backwards, yes, the stat about how many of his passes are forward of backwards, is relevant. Even if the stat, is not 100% right, because they never are with those sites, it is still a valid point.

Pass completion, which you mentioned, yes can be misleading in a single game, but when a player constantly has the highest pass completion rate for game after game (and in this case season after season) then it is very much a valid point to say that this player is able to circulate the ball safely. 

Player ratings and scores, on the other hand, are borderline meaningless because they convey next to no useful information. 

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36 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

I used stats about specifics, I don't use stats to evaluate a player or even a single performance of his, and certainly not those stupid 'scores'! 

So, when someone says that Mikel only passes backwards, yes, the stat about how many of his passes are forward of backwards, is relevant. Even if the stat, is not 100% right, because they never are with those sites, it is still a valid point.

Pass completion, which you mentioned, yes can be misleading in a single game, but when a player constantly has the highest pass completion rate for game after game (and in this case season after season) then it is very much a valid point to say that this player is able to circulate the ball safely. 

Player ratings and scores, on the other hand, are borderline meaningless because they convey next to no useful information. 

Don't disagree with much there and agree that Mikel is a good short passer - numbers show that too (not only eyeballs). For me though, that's so very little... so not enough.

His defensive numbers are not great. Don't even have to look at a particular game, but his overall defensive numbers are poor for a DM. And his attacking numbers are very low for a CM.

So, perhaps the scores are reflecting that he's only good at one thing and missing some attributes that the position demands in their view (and mine)? But yes, arbitrary scores aren't that important.

Even though I did not watch the game, I'd prob pick a few players ahead of him as best player - wild guess.  And I'd say the majority of people would at the very least pick Costa ahead of Mikel? prob not a wild guess.