Timo Werner

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

And I didn't won money on betting only because Germany tonight. If he scored that chance they would 99% win so thank you Timo 🤡

On another note, is anyone gonna talk about Rudiger's defending for Macedonia's 2nd goal?

[killer1257 3,282]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

On another note, is anyone gonna talk about Rudiger's defending for Macedonia's 2nd goal?

It seems to me that he is just not made for a back 4 with his very limited football IQ

Edited March 31, 2021 by killer1257

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

To direct you to Jason's point, he scored 90 goals in 4 seasons. When you look at his goals, the majority of which were from the space behind the back line. 

The prem limits the space he finds with a low block, thus reducing the number of chances he'll get. Thus reducing the number of goals. 

The amount of space or lack of it isn't the issue. Even if one gets space to score, they still gotta know how to put the ball in the back of the net. Although inconsistent, he's shown that he can finish before but everything is a car crash right now.

[Azul 1,615]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

I am aware of the misses but the point is, he didn't score 90+ goals in 4 seasons by accidents, meaning he knows how to finish at the very least even if it's not very consistent. But this...missing an open goal???

You try to find logic and try to back up stats for why he is failing at Chelsea, but football is not all about stats mate. Football is 99% about a players mentality and he is mentally finished right now.

He is used to being the main man at a smaller club, and when he came to this club he was not ready to deal with the pressure. I'm giving him next season to prove himself as I do with every player that comes to Chelsea, however we can't rely on him at this moment. It was very easy to see that he should've been benched a while ago, not only for the benefit of the team but also for the benefit of his season. 

[killer1257 3,282]

Just now, Jason said:

The amount of space or lack of it isn't the issue. Even if one gets space to score, they still gotta know how to put the ball in the back of the net. Although inconsistent, he's shown that he can finish before.

1 vs 1 situations against the GK was his biggest weakness after having bad technical abilities. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

Werner is top in the list of loosers right now.
There were three Greek players in the past like him. Dintsikos, Lakis, Okkas (Cypriot), all internationals.
One day Okkas received a fantastic pass from the Serbian Georgevitch, alone with the goalkeeper. The speaker goes "wow, what a fantastic ball through by the Serbian" then "uh-oh it's Okkas - forget it". True to form Okkas passed the ball tamely into the arms of the goalkeeper.
But nobody missed chances as badly as Werner does. Morata as Chelsea surely not. 

 

Edited March 31, 2021 by cosmicway

[Azul 1,615]

4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

To direct you to Jason's point, he scored 90 goals in 4 seasons. When you look at his goals, the majority of which were from the space behind the back line. 

The prem limits the space he finds with a low block, thus reducing the number of chances he'll get. Thus reducing the number of goals. 

Can you back it up with stats of the amount of chances that were created for him last season compared to this season? I'm pretty sure it's not far off. 

I redirect you to my response to @Jason if you want to know what my opinion is of why he is failing this season. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Dropping Werner for a while could actually help our creativity. at least havertz and ziyech are in form again. Add Pulisic or Mount to that and we are fairly fluent. God, I miss proper footy. Saturday can not come soon enough. International football is a cancer for us all but most of all for Timo Werner lol

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Azul said:

You try to find logic and try to back up stats for why he is failing at Chelsea, but football is not all about stats mate. Football is 99% about a players mentality and he is mentally finished right now.

Why do you think I mentioned he needs to see a sports psychologist or do something similar? I used his past stats as a proof that he knows how to score. The know-how is there, somewhere. The finishing was inconsistent in the past but now, it's just a trainwreck. 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,377]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

The amount of space or lack of it isn't the issue. Even if one gets space to score, they still gotta know how to put the ball in the back of the net. Although inconsistent, he's shown that he can finish before but everything is a car crash right now.

It is an issue in Werner's case because we were warned by avid Bundesliga viewers that Werner,  inspite his goal scoring record, wasted LOADS. When you analyse the goals he scored at RB,  a lot of them were playing off from the left and beating the back line. RB was also built around him with creative midfielders that fed him constantly. 

80% of clubs in the prem play a low block, and our current set up isn't built around Werner. You reduce the number of chances he has only highlights how poor a finisher he actually is. 

2 minutes ago, Azul said:

Can you back it up with stats of the amount of chances that were created for him last season compared to this season? I'm pretty sure it's not far off. 

I redirect you to my response to @Jason if you want to know what my opinion is of why he is failing this season. 

Ask @killer1257, @Magic Lamps, or any Bundesliga watcher. They all warned us Werner misses loads. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

It is an issue in Werner's case because we were warned by avid Bundesliga viewers that Werner,  inspite his goal scoring record, wasted LOADS. When you analyse the goals he scored at RB,  a lot of them were playing off from the left and beating the back line. RB was also built around him with creative midfielders that fed him constantly. 

80% of clubs in the prem play a low block, and our current set up isn't built around Werner. You reduce the number of chances he has only highlights how poor a finisher he actually is. 

What I'm saying it's the know-how on the finishing. Yes, the finishing is inconsistent but regardless of how many chances he got in the Bundesliga, he still didn't score 90+ goals for Leipzig by being a poor finisher. You still need to know how to put away those chances. Otherwise, every Tom, Dick and Harry would have scored loads of goals in the Bundesliga. 

[Azul 1,615]

12 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

It is an issue in Werner's case because we were warned by avid Bundesliga viewers that Werner,  inspite his goal scoring record, wasted LOADS. When you analyse the goals he scored at RB,  a lot of them were playing off from the left and beating the back line. RB was also built around him with creative midfielders that fed him constantly. 

80% of clubs in the prem play a low block, and our current set up isn't built around Werner. You reduce the number of chances he has only highlights how poor a finisher he actually is. 

Ask @killer1257, @Magic Lamps, or any Bundesliga watcher. They all warned us Werner misses loads. 

I disagree because he's missed an abnormal amount of chances of this season. My mate who literally watches Bundesliga week in week out is texting me and saying that this is ridiculous even for his standards. He was actually banging in goals for the national team, and now he can't seem to score a single goal. Are you saying that he's not suited to the prem and you knew this all along? If so why have you been defending Werner while I was criticising him?

Furthermore do you disagree that the way he's playing is a result of his confidence and not our playstyle? The reason why I'm asking this, because I think that you're undermining the importance of mental fortitude in football. Morata touched on the topic by stating that he needed a sports psychologist in order to succeed at Chelsea.

Edited March 31, 2021 by Azul

[killer1257 3,282]

Just now, Jason said:

What I'm saying it's the know-how on the finishing. Yes, the finishing is inconsistent but regardless of how many chances he got in the Bundesliga, he still didn't score 90+ goals for Leipzig by being a poor finisher. You still need to know how to put away those chances. Otherwise, every Tom, Dick and Harry would have scored loads of goals in the Bundesliga. 

Not everyone is as fast as Werner. Pacy strikers have it so easy in Bundesliga 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, killer1257 said:

Not everyone is as fast as Werner. Pacy strikers have it so easy in Bundesliga 

They also need to know where to be, to score the goals. It's not all just pace here. 

[Azul 1,615]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

Why do you think I mentioned he needs to see a sports psychologist or do something similar? I used his past stats as a proof that he knows how to score. The know-how is there, somewhere. The finishing was inconsistent in the past but now, it's just a trainwreck. 

 

I find it surprising that you act like he hasn't been like this for atleast for 4 months. When I was criticising him, you were literally crucifying me for stating the obvious. Now after this miss, which looks normal to some of the misses he had this season, you turn around and do a 180😂

He's not a trainweck, because of this miss alone, but the enormous amount of misses he had before this. Do you now agree that Pulisic or CHO need a run of games on the left instead of Werner?👀