Jorginho

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57 minutes ago, milan.cech said:

Domestically, the here so called smaller cup games.

Or would you prefer me to call it "pub games"? 

[LAM09 6,814]

Or would you prefer me to call it "pub games"? [emoji185]

Got to chuckle everytime I see this or the "loan" line. [emoji1]

[OneMoSalah 8,799]

22 hours ago, Jason said:

Jorginho has sat out of only one cup game - against Grimsby. Was forced to play against United because there were no other options. In total, I believe Jorginho has played 21 games out of 24 for club and country this season. Pretty sure that's more than anyone else in our squad and we won't have the smaller cup games to rest him until the FA Cup starts in January either. It's hardly overthinking when people are concerned over a player's well-being, especially when that someone has played a lot in 4 months. 

Perhaps but again, what do you want Frank or Mancini to do? He is undoubtedly a key figure for club and country. He has played a lot but I doubt it is really going to benefit him if he plays 5 or 6 games in a row and is then rested for 2 weeks or whatever. He is in good form, has got good match rhythm so interrupting that, which it will happen eventually with the festive fixtures/cup games, may also affect his performances.

The recovery time between games has been kind so far, obviously the fixtures are more crammed this time of year but I dont think he is any danger of being burnt out when we are only not even halfway into the season. If he was struggling with injuries or looking sluggish in his performances, then yes I'd see the point more but throughout his career at Napoli and here he has been pretty good for avoiding injuries and while that isnt always a guarantee, he played for how many years under Sarri who is notoriously known for a lack of rotation... and he was arguably one of the most key components of his side there and here.

Obviously the team will change for the games coming up and he will be part of that in some capacity but I still think its being a bit over the top its not as if hes breaking down. I really dont think Frank and Jody would have played him so much if they were as concerned about his fitness/potentially picking up an injury due to being overplayed.

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

Perhaps but again, what do you want Frank or Mancini to do? He is undoubtedly a key figure for club and country. He has played a lot but I doubt it is really going to benefit him if he plays 5 or 6 games in a row and is then rested for 2 weeks or whatever.

Italy have already qualified for the Euros. So, it doesn't make sense for Mancini to play him (for the full 90 mins) in dead rubber matches when you consider his workload so far this season. It won't benefit anyone if he picks up an injury due to fatigue.

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

He is in good form, has got good match rhythm so interrupting that, which it will happen eventually with the festive fixtures/cup games, may also affect his performances.

Sitting out of 1-2 games is hardly gonna disrupt anything. It's not 1 or 2 whole months. 

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13 minutes ago, Jason said:

Italy have already qualified for the Euros. So, it doesn't make sense for Mancini to play him (for the full 90 mins) in dead rubber matches when you consider his workload so far this season. It won't benefit anyone if he picks up an injury due to fatigue.

Sitting out of 1-2 games is hardly gonna disrupt anything. It's not 1 or 2 whole months. 

spot the fuck on!

[OneMoSalah 8,799]

23 minutes ago, Jason said:

Italy have already qualified for the Euros. So, it doesn't make sense for Mancini to play him (for the full 90 mins) in dead rubber matches when you consider his workload so far this season. It won't benefit anyone if he picks up an injury due to fatigue.

Sitting out of 1-2 games is hardly gonna disrupt anything. It's not 1 or 2 whole months. 

But again, in my eyes, regardless of if their qualified or not, that would be like saying it doesnt make sense for Frank to play him against a lesser team here in the PL or what.

For all the NT games in a season as well, if youve got your best players avaliable surely it is in your best interest to use them to maximize the chance of winning? If he was carrying a knock or something I could understand them resting him. But he wasnt. He just sat 1 game out due to his suspension v Palace too so he would of been rested so to speak so Mancini is well within his rights to select him.

We can't be selfish in a way where we want Jorginho or any fully fit international player to be able to play most games for us and get rested by their NT even if they are qualified or not. It has never really worked like that. Mancini having PL coaching experience from his time at City as well he will be aware that players he selects from there will play a lot of competitions and not have a winter break. 

It will be more up to Frank to find time and solutions to rest guys like Jorginho, Tammy, Kovacic etc who will have amassed X amount of minutes.

In an ideal world there wouldnt be as many NT breaks but there is, so it will be a recurring theme all season, like England being qualified and playing Kane, Sterling etc when theyve played a lot as well this season. Its not just a Chelsea or a Jorginho specific problem.

[NikkiCFC 8,063]

I'm sure Jorginho won't play tomorrow. If he was rested against Bosnia too that would be 18 days between his last match and the next one against City. So I see no issue Mancini playing him. It's preparation game for Euro. Best Brazilian and Argentinian players just played friendly game. 

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6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I'm sure Jorginho won't play tomorrow. If he was rested against Bosnia too that would be 18 days between his last match and the next one against City. So I see no issue Mancini playing him. It's preparation game for Euro. Best Brazilian and Argentinian players just played friendly game. 

he is not injured so even if he plays some minutes I will not go bonkers

he is a world class athlete and has a great build for many minutes as he is not a smashmouth footballer who get into serious collisions play after play

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

I'm sure Jorginho won't play tomorrow. If he was rested against Bosnia too that would be 18 days between his last match and the next one against City. So I see no issue Mancini playing him. It's preparation game for Euro. Best Brazilian and Argentinian players just played friendly game. 

Even though that was a friendly, Brazil and Argentina are arch rivals. They weren't going to play B teams, especially when this international break is their last chance to prepare for their World Cup qualification next March. Hardly the greatest example to use there. 

Also, it's funny people keep on mentioning not playing for 2 weeks like it's a bad thing when Azpi, for example, has often got those weeks off and still managed to produce solid, consistent performances (at least in previous seasons) in recent years. 

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20 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I'm sure Jorginho won't play tomorrow.

Jorginho starts AGAIN for Italy at home to Armenia...

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22 minutes ago, Jason said:

Jorginho starts AGAIN for Italy at home to Armenia...

That is fucking horse shit......I detest these int's. Nothing but sorrow for us.

[LAM09 6,814]

Jorginho starts AGAIN for Italy at home to Armenia...

No one should be surprised at this point. Clubs need to put their foot down as I previously mentioned

[NikkiCFC 8,063]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Jorginho starts AGAIN for Italy at home to Armenia...

Now I'm angry. 

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59 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Now I'm angry. 

he is having a superb game

[LAM09 6,814]

he is having a superb game

Scored and helped the team to a 9-1 victory.

I guess it wasn't exactly stressful. [emoji1]

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Just now, LAM09 said:

Scored and helped the team to a 9-1 victory.

I guess it wasn't exactly stressful.

still, Mancini gave us a bollocksing

the full 90

and just so happens we play Shitty, his old team, in 5 days (so 4 days rest, and one is a travel day)

CUNT

 

[OneMoSalah 8,799]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

still, Mancini gave us a bollocksing

the full 90

and just so happens we play Shitty, his old team, in 5 days (so 4 days rest, and one is a travel day)

CUNT

 

4 days rest is more than plenty of time. Hes made it through unscathed despite people thinking he should of been rested. Less international breaks throughout the season would be better but wont happen quickly enough.

[NikkiCFC 8,063]

Put this guy in United side he would win Golden Boot