Álvaro Morata

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41 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

He's been here for almost a 1 yr and half & has done nothing to address that. No intention of bettering himself, so give him the easy life back in Spain.

 

 

Its very annoying when people use physique as an excuse for morata. He know's he's physically weak and doesn't want to hit the gym? Just hoping the ref will give him a good time so that he can play well is bull. Physique, first touch and one touch passing is all part of hold up play and Morata is terrible in all three.

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Its very annoying when people use physique as an excuse for morata. He know's he's physically weak and doesn't want to hit the gym? Just hoping the ref will give him a good time so that he can play well is bull. Physique, first touch and one touch passing is all part of hold up play and Morata is terrible in all three.

Just a way for people to excuse him during the difficult times. That ship sailed a long time ago

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

LOLOL

you are having a laugh??

they are both miles beyond Morata

Alexandre Lacazette

 

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (31 goals in 38 games last year)

 

Álvaro Morata

You quoted him from a month back so maybe his perceptions have changed but tbh then he did have a point. Not necessarily with Aubameyang but with Lacazette. He struggled very much last season and did not score much more than Morata or maybe Morata scored more, not too sure. He also took a lot of penalties back at Lyon and looked lost at several moments last season. This season now, he has done exactly what Morata should have done. Improved on from last season and take your game to another level. Lacazette looks like he has done that but like I said he was struggling last season but has improved.

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19 minutes ago, Stats said:

You quoted him from a month back so maybe his perceptions have changed but tbh then he did have a point. Not necessarily with Aubameyang but with Lacazette. He struggled very much last season and did not score much more than Morata or maybe Morata scored more, not too sure. He also took a lot of penalties back at Lyon and looked lost at several moments last season. This season now, he has done exactly what Morata should have done. Improved on from last season and take your game to another level. Lacazette looks like he has done that but like I said he was struggling last season but has improved.

I was unaware a month was now 2 days long

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I would argue Morata's problem is less physical and more mental.

He doesn't have the mentality of a top striker because he has absolutely no belief in himself. He doesn't need to be the strongest striker, there are plenty of examples of top strikers who aren't. If he wants to play with his back to goal then he has to back himself to hold the ball up. The only way a defender can win the ball is going through him which will be a foul, but this involves Morata inviting them to do this not assuming that's what they'll do and fall over. If they don't and simply hold their ground, then he can lay the ball off and spin them.

Otherwise he doesn't play like this and instead he plays on the last man looking to get in behind all the time. But again, you wonder if he's intimidated to do this given the amount of chances he's missed previously.

The top strikers will all go through goal droughts and bad performances but they back themselves to keep going and trying, and the fans can see that too. Hasselbaink, Drogba, Costa. It's what made them bonafide first choice strikers for the club and the same reason players like Morata and Torres simply haven't been up to scratch.

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43 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I was unaware a month was now 2 days long

Read it wrong, sorry but my point remains the same. I also think right now a lot of it is mentality issue with Morata.

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2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

He's been here for almost a 1 yr and half & has done nothing to address that. No intention of bettering himself, so give him the easy life back in Spain.

 

 

Exactly my point. He’s not dedicated enough to turn it around. He should’ve been hitting the gym hard and getting stronger and stronger, and yet we see the very same player a year later.

he doesn’t not seem to care.

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

LOLOL

you are having a laugh??

they are both miles beyond Morata

Alexandre Lacazette

 

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (31 goals in 38 games last year)

 

Álvaro Morata

Stand by what I said.

they are good players, not great. We need great players to significantly improve our team.

my point is that replacing a 5.5 with a 6.0, while an improvement, won’t cut it.

couldnt care less about stats in different leagues, diff conditions. These things aren’t comparable. I see them at Arsenal and judge them by what I see.

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36 minutes ago, Stats said:

Read it wrong, sorry but my point remains the same. I also think right now a lot of it is mentality issue with Morata.

He also simply isnt good enough. He is weak willed. He is not good enough to be our main striker. He lacks great footballing IQ. It happens. He needs to be shipped off and replaced. Keeping him as our main striker will destroy our season.

Blame the board, not me. I NEVER wanted him in the first place. He was never a true starter anywhere.

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2 minutes ago, Robguima said:

Stand by what I said.

they are good players, not great. We need great players to significantly improve our team.

my point is that replacing a 5.5 with a 6.0, while an improvement, won’t cut it.

couldnt care less about stats in different leagues, diff conditions. These things aren’t comparable. I see them at Arsenal and judge them by what I see.

Aubameyang is a significant upgrade if we're looking at goals scored. He already has more league goals than Morata in 18 less games.

14 in 21 is very good going and if we had someone scoring at that rate, there'd be no striker issue.

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Just now, Superblue_1986 said:

Aubameyang is a significant upgrade if we're looking at goals scored. He already has more league goals than Morata in 18 less games.

14 in 21 is very good going and if we had someone scoring at that rate, there'd be no striker issue.

I hear you and it seems many rate him, which is fine.

I think he’s a good player, but not that impressed - don’t rate bundesliga highly either.

I just don’t think these are easy comparisons to make. Arsenal is a team, and club, that favors attacking (historically) and its current starting line does too. Their style of play will make the life of attacking players easier, but will also make defending a nightmare.

i hear opinions about slotting that player, here. Replacing his with that. They are ideas, or theories, and sometimes wishful thinking (that a reserve offers more than a starter). The fact is that we don’t know. Is it likely aubameyang would be done better than morata? Yes, in hindsight we do now know what did not work (morata).

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1 minute ago, Robguima said:

I hear you and it seems many rate him, which is fine.

I think he’s a good player, but not that impressed - don’t rate bundesliga highly either.

I just don’t think these are easy comparisons to make. Arsenal is a team, and club, that favors attacking (historically) and its current starting line does too. Their style of play will make the life of attacking players easier, but will also make defending a nightmare.

i hear opinions about slotting that player, here. Replacing his with that. They are ideas, or theories, and sometimes wishful thinking (that a reserve offers more than a starter). The fact is that we don’t know. Is it likely aubameyang would be done better than morata? Yes, in hindsight we do now know what did not work (morata).

I can understand your point, but there's an argument that all teams play slightly different with different players, etc. It makes every single signing a potential risk that said player can produce what he has previously or hopefully better.

I think your argument about styles is fair for last season but this season we are playing far more offensively and creating a number of chances and Morata is still struggling. 

To be honest I don't think Aubameyang provides a huge amount more than scoring goals but he plays to his strengths on the last line of defence with his pace and is intelligent with his runs to fashion chances. And as I mentioned in the previous post, he could be pretty ineffective throughout a game but when he carries a dangerous goal threat and scores solid numbers that is at present what we desperately need.

That's the biggest problem with Morata, I'm not sure what his strength actually is (apart from being pretty good in the air with deep crosses and we don't play in that way) and whatever it is he certainly isn't playing to it.

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21 hours ago, Robguima said:

Stand by what I said.

they are good players, not great. We need great players to significantly improve our team.

my point is that replacing a 5.5 with a 6.0, while an improvement, won’t cut it.

couldnt care less about stats in different leagues, diff conditions. These things aren’t comparable. I see them at Arsenal and judge them by what I see.

Either of them would be a vast improvement now on Morata. He is truly shit.

I also am not advocating we buy either. Arse would never sell either to us.

I keep seeing (not saying you) all these 'Sarriball doesn't need a striker' posts.

Well start Hazard in the Mertens role. Rotate Pedro, CHO, Willian at the wingers slots.

If Sarri thinks that is an option, then surely sometime he must try it. I doubt he will. He really rates Willian and shows zero desire to play CHO.

We are not the French national team, with 5, 6 insane goal scorers to make up for no goals Giroud. 

I am proactive. Something needs to give or we will drop down. It's normalcy bias to think we can keep playing the same players and continue at our current pace. Far too many weak spots. CB, LB, RW, striker, some games RB (Azpi has had more bad games already than all of last year). Even Kante is not truly adjusting to new role. We are a couple injuries away from truly dire straights. 

If Hazard or Jorginho or Rüdiger went down, we are so fucked.

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6 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I would argue Morata's problem is less physical and more mental.

He doesn't have the mentality of a top striker because he has absolutely no belief in himself. He doesn't need to be the strongest striker, there are plenty of examples of top strikers who aren't. If he wants to play with his back to goal then he has to back himself to hold the ball up. The only way a defender can win the ball is going through him which will be a foul, but this involves Morata inviting them to do this not assuming that's what they'll do and fall over. If they don't and simply hold their ground, then he can lay the ball off and spin them.

Otherwise he doesn't play like this and instead he plays on the last man looking to get in behind all the time. But again, you wonder if he's intimidated to do this given the amount of chances he's missed previously.

The top strikers will all go through goal droughts and bad performances but they back themselves to keep going and trying, and the fans can see that too. Hasselbaink, Drogba, Costa. It's what made them bonafide first choice strikers for the club and the same reason players like Morata and Torres simply haven't been up to scratch.

Belief matters to a point. As I mentioned to another poster I had better technique than he did at age 12. His technique is shit. 

 

He got anyway with things at Juventus and Real because there was plenty of talent to make up for his inefficiencies and he was never relied upon to lead the line. 

He does nothing to fix the problem. I don’t blame Hazard for not trusting him it’s like playing with a shit version of Torres, who compounds matters by flopping everywhere.

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Fucking turd once again on Saturday, how much longer do we have to put up with the shite he serves up every week.

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Gullit slams Morata: ‘Chelsea stars don’t trust him’

https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/gullit-slams-morata-chelsea-stars-don-t-trust-him-97188

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For the life of me, I have no idea how anyone can defend Morata at all.

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Gary Neville on Saturday mentioned the point again in his commentary "Why does he persist in always going to ground"

There is a simple answer to that, it's because he has no idea what to do other than go to ground.

I will say it again, we have two very average strikers, but right now Giroud is lesser of the two evils and is much better than Morata.