Álvaro Morata

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Mana said:

Incorrect. Morata only won TWO titles since 2011. Dybala won titles consistently since 2015.

Morata has got 13 titles - 8 with Real Madrid and 5 with Juventus. Where did you get the two from?

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

Oh FFS. Again playing that tired Drogba card. Morata is NO Didier Drogba. Drogba didn't flop in his teams prior to his first season in Chelsea. Drogba was a one-off.

Easy to say now on hindsight. If that 04/05 Drogba was playing now, wouldn't people be calling for him to be sold? It is a tired example but sadly, it's still a relevant one.

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

What about Pato, Torres, Shevo, Crespo? Why can't you play those cards?

Maybe because you and I view "flop" differently. Morata wasn't a resounding success at Juventus and Real Madrid but was he a flop? Not for me. He's in the middle. Just because someone didn't too well before doesn't mean he can't reverse his fortune going forward.

11 minutes ago, Mana said:

No it isn't guaranteed, but I have more faith with Dybala then our current supposed starman.

Easy to say that. If Dybala had been in Morata's shoes this season, you would likely be complaining about the same things.

12 minutes ago, Mana said:

Obviously we need someone better, but I'm sorry, comparing Morata to Dybala is ridiculous.

Erm, I think you compared them both to begin with. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

Yes, because you started arguing with 11Drogba saying Dybala "hardly been setting the world alight" like he's in the same level as Morata which is far from the truth.

You interpreted it that way. I didn't explicitly compare them and it's never my intention to compare. Only wanted to mention that Dybala hasn't been all that WOW.

Anyway, agree to disagree. Ta. 

[akgw13 867]

He has been wildly frustrating, The physical toll wore him down and then he broke mentally. He is a sensitive player which has been a knock throughout his career. His back injury was far worse than I think any of us know. The team has had a somewhat toxic energy which makes it difficult for even our best more comfortable players to perform, let alone a new high priced signee who has never played in the prem. Even Hazard has been inconsistent, every single player has been. Conte included.

I do NOT want to sell Morata and cut our losses just yet, He is too talented to give up on. A new coach will be incoming, he might play a style and inject some confidence into us. That is all we need. Our bounces and breaks didn't go our way this year, shit happens. Confidence is Key ESPECIALLY for a player like Morata. 

Many of you obviously disagree, it is a divisive topic. I choose to give players like Morata & Bakayoko another prove it year. Ross Barkley starts fresh next year as well. These guys have talent and were wanted across europe, we just need to support the team and hopefully the new coach instills confidence. No more suffering and defeatist attitude.  

[Amblève. 4,995]

Saying that Morata scores every 3rd game is so terribly misleading. In saying so you are implying consistency which Morata has not shown at Chelsea (nor anywhere else for that matter).

To put Morata's PL goal scoring into context:

- Morata has scored more goals in his first 6 PL games (6; 3 of which came in a hat-trick vs Stoke) than in his last 24 (5).
- Out of his last 24 PL games Morata has played 60+ minutes in 18 games so he has had enough time to make a goal contribution in those games.
- Against top-6 opponents Morata has scored 2 goals in 8 games (10 games actually but I took out the 2 games vs City since he only played a combined 36 minutes in both games)
- In 2018 Morata has scored 1 PL goal.

...and these are only the numbers. Getting into his bitch-ass attitude on the pitch, his stupid yellow cards, and his missed sitters would just make me even more depressed.

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, Mana said:

Why are you backing Morata so much? Are you friends with him or something? Evidence shows he is not good enough. He's one of the main reasons why we are 5th.

Just because someone hasn't been good, doesn't he/she can't become better. Not everyone hit peak form at the same time. As I've mentioned several times, I'm willing to give him another season, based on the good things he did in the first half of the season. If he can become consistent next season, then great. If not, sell him. Our striker situation isn't exactly bright and sunny at the moment but we have far bigger problems in the squad that need immediate fixing - like the midfield and wide attackers. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

He's 25 Jason. Morata has scored 11 so far this season with two more games to go, 4 goals lower this record. He's not going to get better, and if he does, it's probably because of the whole team's confidence. Which by then, even Bats and Giroud would be fantastic options.

He had since 2014 to be "consistent". That's why he isn't good enough, and hoping next season will be different is very huge risk. We cannot afford to take a huge risk like this. Two seasons with no CL will be a massive disaster for the club, and it will happen if Morata doesn't break his set record of 15 goals per season.

All teams above us have at least one striker with 20+ goals per season.

Arsenal no doubt, with a new manager will kick Lacazette and Aubameyang to score 20+ goals because those two strikers are capable of score 20+ by their track record.

I know you love Morata, but for the future of this club it's too big of a risk. We have to drop him to the bench next season while getting a capable striker OR sell him/put him on loan.

lol Like I said previously, agree to disagree.

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

"Agree to disagree" when you know evidence stacks hugely against Morata.

It's like you saying the Earth is flat, evidence shows it's round and you say "agree to disagree". Cop out.

Your stats say Morata isn't good but since when they became a sure thing to judge how that person will turn out? It's like saying someone will guarantee fail in life because he or she constantly fails exams in school. Not even sure why you are continuing this when we are not going to be on the same page. I know you think Morata isn't good and needs to be replaced but are you really that desperate to get others on board with you? 

[Unionjack 7,531]

2 hours ago, Thor said:

give the players time to build with each other and learn to play off one another

That is a very good point and the reason I think why our youth teams are so good. Theyve grown up together since they were very young.

But its a very hard thing to do if you want to win trophies and have a owner who demands it.

IF we was a mid table club with no expectations we could bring in youth,experiment with players,formations etc. Give players a chance to gell together.

But you see our 'supporters' here for instance.

Half moan like fuck for using the same players and the other half moan like fuck if we use any form of rotation!!

A manager just cant win.

[manpe 10,861]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

What about Pato, Torres, Shevo, Crespo?

Harsh on Crespo. Falcao or Pizarro would have been more appropriate names to throw in there.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

No, I'm not desperate. It's just I'm tired of seeing you defend Morata like this as if he is a fantastic player in the past. Overall, he wasn't.

I didn't. Only said willing to give him a chance because of the good things he did in the first half of the season. 

And I'm also tired (it has been 3 very long days...) of you dragging this out. You've made your point. I've made mine. Can't we just be friends and talk about something else already? 😭

[Unionjack 7,531]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

talk about something else already?

As if we dont have enough things that need sorting eh. Whats another one going to make any difference lol

None of these things we are all talking about will make a blind bit of difference until the managers job is sorted.

We dont know what sort of formation he mainly uses, player types he likes - nothing.

All we can hope is him and our luvly board manage somehow to work together to out a team together and make a effort next season.

Alot of luck and money is needed.

[manpe 10,861]

Maybe our next manager plays 2 forwards? Morata in a supporting striker role could be something else than Morata the lone striker. He doesn't seem to be the type to lead an attack. A lone striker needs to be a ruthless badass not swayed by tiniest contacts, and more importantly a ruthless finisher. He is neither. In lone striker role I prefer Giroud anyway, this much 2018 has proved.

[11Drogba 2,000]

1 minute ago, manpe said:

Maybe our next manager plays 2 forwards? Morata in a supporting striker role could be something else than Morata the lone striker. He doesn't seem to be the type to lead an attack. A lone striker needs to be a ruthless badass not swayed by tiniest contacts, and more importantly a ruthless finisher. He is neither. In lone striker role I prefer Giroud anyway, this much 2018 has proved.

I was thinking the same thing. I don't think he has the personality to lead the offensive line in Premiere league but as a second striker, in a more free role he could be more effective.

[akgw13 867]

2 hours ago, Mana said:

Why are you backing Morata so much? Are you friends with him or something? Evidence shows he is not good enough. He's one of the main reasons why we are 5th.

Morata is too soft then to be our main man if confidence is what takes to make him score. That can be said for ANY player. Moses is shite, but when confidence runs high he plays fantastic. We cannot rely on "confidence" around the team all the time. When the confidence is low with the team, it's up to YOU to gain confidence within yourself and be that person that makes the team's confidence go high.

Kante for example, while the team is shite low on confidence he still manages to do HIS bit and be a beast in midfield.

I understand its not always a great situation and you cant rely on Confidence, but constant undermining from the fans, media, and even the coach does not help. I still remember Hazard/Costa when we finished 10th, They were dreadful. The season after we were champions. I agree Morata needs to be more of a catalyst with regards to developing confidence throughout the team. This is what we signed up for when we off loaded Costa for Morata, there was always this risk and it was probably the biggest question when we signed him. This year was an obvious fail but he wasnt the only failure. They have to band together and bounce back once again. Every player adapts differently to the Prem, all I am (and most people) are saying is its simply too early to entirely give up on the player. It has been an incredibly frustrating year for the entire club, a summer to refocus and a pre season are needed to come back stronger. 

 

[The Skipper 20,593]

3 hours ago, Amblève. said:

Saying that Morata scores every 3rd game is so terribly misleading. In saying so you are implying consistency which Morata has not shown at Chelsea (nor anywhere else for that matter).

To put Morata's PL goal scoring into context:

- Morata has scored more goals in his first 6 PL games (6; 3 of which came in a hat-trick vs Stoke) than in his last 24 (5).
- Out of his last 24 PL games Morata has played 60+ minutes in 18 games so he has had enough time to make a goal contribution in those games.
- Against top-6 opponents Morata has scored 2 goals in 8 games (10 games actually but I took out the 2 games vs City since he only played a combined 36 minutes in both games)
- In 2018 Morata has scored 1 PL goal.

...and these are only the numbers. Getting into his bitch-ass attitude on the pitch, his stupid yellow cards, and his missed sitters would just make me even more depressed.

These facts are worse than I imagined. Jesus. 

[DDA 9,690]

It's as simple as follows;

Every team bar City and Spurs vs Chelsea play with 'the tight spaces'.

Morata is shit in 'the tight spaces'.

Move on 😒

[Unionjack 7,531]

20 minutes ago, DDA said:

It's as simple as follows;

Every team bar City and Spurs vs Chelsea play with 'the tight spaces'.

Morata is shit in 'the tight spaces'.

Move on 😒

Gotta ask bruv. Whats with the goat? Is it like - Stuborn as a old goat? lol Just wondered.

[Miki-Liki 405]

Morata is never going to be another Drogba, he is mentally weak, and is all around mediocre at best. Drogba was at least fighter, and physically dominant. Morata is good at nothing.