Alex Sandro

[Tomo 21,751]

He already has one.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

12 hours ago, Tomo said:

He already has one.

Alonso? Too slow and probably wont make it in regular 4:3:3 or whatever system we will play next season. Good player in attack, but goals dont make up for his lack of dynamic in a position such as LB:

Emerson? Good potential, was even good in few games he played, but hard to predict he will be top player.

I was thinking about someone like Ashley, someone who is undisputed starter and plays equaly good in attack/defense, is mobile enough etc etc.

[Tomo 21,751]

4 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Alonso? Too slow and probably wont make it in regular 4:3:3 or whatever system we will play next season. Good player in attack, but goals dont make up for his lack of dynamic in a position such as LB:

Emerson? Good potential, was even good in few games he played, but hard to predict he will be top player.

I was thinking about someone like Ashley, someone who is undisputed starter and plays equaly good in attack/defense, is mobile enough etc etc.

Alonso has flaws but also some serious quality's, i certainly don't think he's bad enough to break our transfer record on an upgrade, especially when we have position's that desperately need reinforcements. 

[ja1 1,166]

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

Alonso has flaws but also some serious quality's, i certainly don't think he's bad enough to break our transfer record on an upgrade, especially when we have position's that desperately need reinforcements. 

If Alonso is still our starting LWB next season then it’s one of the places we need reinforcements in, just as important as any place in the team. What ‘serious qualities’ does he have bar being above average in the air and free kicks? Don’t bring up his supposed goal threat. He shoots a hell of a lot and is often joining up with our CF in the box and his goal output is the same as Moses if you take away free kicks. Hazard being able to link up for the first time in his Chelsea career with a LWB with pace to overlap, good close control and ability for give and go, pass and move, would make a world of difference.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

On 06/07/2018 at 7:56 PM, ja1 said:

If Alonso is still our starting LWB next season then it’s one of the places we need reinforcements in, just as important as any place in the team. What ‘serious qualities’ does he have bar being above average in the air and free kicks? Don’t bring up his supposed goal threat. He shoots a hell of a lot and is often joining up with our CF in the box and his goal output is the same as Moses if you take away free kicks. Hazard being able to link up for the first time in his Chelsea career with a LWB with pace to overlap, good close control and ability for give and go, pass and move, would make a world of difference.

Really? Dont be stupid. Unless Alonso or Emerson leave we will not sign a LB. Would be pointless to sign a third LB in the space of 2 years. Considering if we change manager as well you think hes going to prioritise a LB when we already have 2 he hasn't actually seen in the flesh yet to spend 60m on Alex Sandro? A summer after the club refused to go over that? You must be dreaming.  

Hazard being able to link up with a LB for the first time in his career bla bla bla not this shite again. Alonso and Moses playing as wing backs free'd the likes of Hazard and Willian/Pedro up so often in the last 2 years, purely by staying so far wide and occupying those wider spaces. Why do you think the year we won the title Hazard played unbelievably? He was so much more freer than he had ever been under any Chelsea manager in the past. He had next to no defensive responsibilities. Played as a wide 10 in half spaces.  Where as in stark contrast, he played as a second striker a lot last season and was so much more isolated and at times, after a promising start, struggled because he didn't have as much space as he did in the front 3 more or less as an attacking midfielder. The wing backs still created width but it was only Hazard and Morata/Giroud. When Willian/Pedro played with him and Morata/Giroud you seen we looked much better because there was more offensive players for the opposite defences to be worried about. 

The 343 system firstly sorted our defence out when it was first introduced and free'd up our attacking players, while being able to retain some width. I still think Hazard is better coming from the left, the centre of the pitch is always so congested and I reckon if Sarri does come he will get that width from the full back regardless of if it is Alonso/Emerson to create those little pockets for Hazard/Willian etc. 

[ja1 1,166]

18 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Really? Dont be stupid. Unless Alonso or Emerson leave we will not sign a LB. Would be pointless to sign a third LB in the space of 2 years. Considering if we change manager as well you think hes going to prioritise a LB when we already have 2 he hasn't actually seen in the flesh yet to spend 60m on Alex Sandro? A summer after the club refused to go over that? You must be dreaming.  

Hazard being able to link up with a LB for the first time in his career bla bla bla not this shite again. Alonso and Moses playing as wing backs free'd the likes of Hazard and Willian/Pedro up so often in the last 2 years, purely by staying so far wide and occupying those wider spaces. Why do you think the year we won the title Hazard played unbelievably? He was so much more freer than he had ever been under any Chelsea manager in the past. He had next to no defensive responsibilities. Played as a wide 10 in half spaces.  Where as in stark contrast, he played as a second striker a lot last season and was so much more isolated and at times, after a promising start, struggled because he didn't have as much space as he did in the front 3 more or less as an attacking midfielder. The wing backs still created width but it was only Hazard and Morata/Giroud. When Willian/Pedro played with him and Morata/Giroud you seen we looked much better because there was more offensive players for the opposite defences to be worried about. 

The 343 system firstly sorted our defence out when it was first introduced and free'd up our attacking players, while being able to retain some width. I still think Hazard is better coming from the left, the centre of the pitch is always so congested and I reckon if Sarri does come he will get that width from the full back regardless of if it is Alonso/Emerson to create those little pockets for Hazard/Willian etc. 

Obviously it’s unrealistic yes, I never said it wasn’t, just like it’s unrealistic we’d buy an upgrade at RWB after signing Zappacosta last year, doesn’t mean I don’t think we need it. It’s also unrealistic we’ll sell Drinkwater this summer but it’s one of the weaknesses in the squad I think we can improve on like at LWB and RWB. Having said that I like what I’ve seen from Emerson and feel like he could be the LWB we need IF he’s given the chance. 

 

If you’re happy to just put any player at wingback and they provide width just by virtue of being present in their position that’s fair enough, what you said doesn’t change the fact that having a LWB superior than Alonso in the attributes I mentioned would compliment Hazard further, would probably have helped us last season, and would mean you can still be happy with your bare minimum requirement of just having wingbacks who stay in their position and provide width.

 

[the wes 7,212]

“I’d like to play in the Premier League one day. However, I’m happy in Italy right now and I want to continue playing for Juventus.”

-Alex Sandro; source: Football Italia

[Vybzkartel 284]

I dont know why people are excited about this, we just signed Alonso to a 5 year contract and spent another 22 million on his back up. Knowing our board the last place we are spending money is on a LB. So lets move on.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

15 minutes ago, Vybzkartel said:

I dont know why people are excited about this, we just signed Alonso to a 5 year contract and spent another 22 million on his back up. Knowing our board the last place we are spending money is on a LB. So lets move on.

Exactly but we as fans are prone to having the Fifa/FM mentality where we think it's easy to offload a player and replace him like it's nothing.

If anyone thinks a top class LB like Sandro is leaving Juventus, arguably in the top 3 contenders for the CL this season, for Chelsea right now, they are smoking some strong shit.

We blew our chance 2 or 3 seasons ago.

[Vesper 30,195]

14 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

If anyone thinks a top class LB like Sandro is leaving Juventus, arguably in the top 3 contenders for the CL this season, for Chelsea right now, they are smoking some strong shit.

We blew our chance 2 or 3 seasons ago.

Gotta agree with you there. And the board and Sarri think turtle Alonso is a god amongst mere mortals.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Apparently negotiations fell apart between Juve and Sandro who wanted same wage as Dybala and Pjanic and Juve board took it very badly. 

If there is any chance he will be available next summer, we should be all over him. 

[Vesper 30,195]

21 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Apparently negotiations fell apart between Juve and Sandro who wanted same wage as Dybala and Pjanic and Juve board took it very badly. 

If there is any chance he will be available next summer, we should be all over him. 

We more than likely will be under a transfer ban this coming summer, plus Sarri and board both think Alonso is a WC LB.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

We more than likely will be under a transfer ban this coming summer, plus Sarri and board both think Alonso is a WC LB.

Naa I think they are hyping up Alonso in order to make media and the other teams believe he is WC. Sooner or later one of the Spanish giants will buy Alonso for 50 million and then Sarri and board will be laughing their asses off

[the wes 7,212]

Just now, !Hazard! said:

Naa I think they are hyping up Alonso so that they make other teams believe he is WC. Sooner or later one of the Spanish giants will buy Alonso for 50 million and then Sarri and board will be laughing their asses off

I think real looking a new LB in the summer I hope they pick Alonso 

[!Hazard! 3,394]

3 minutes ago, the wes said:

I think real looking a new LB in the summer I hope they pick Alonso 

Yeah I really think that could happen IMO big changes will have to happen at Real and there won't be any shortage of money. There aren't that many quality LBs out there and Alonso has been making a name for himself with all the goals and freekicks he has scored

[the wes 7,212]

2 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

Yeah I really think that could happen IMO big changes will have to happen at Real and there won't be any shortage of money. There aren't that many quality LBs out there and Alonso has been making a name for himself with all the goals and  he has scored

Marcelo is linked to a summer move to Juventus that could free a LB spot in the  real team I just hope they don't go for sandro 

[Vesper 30,195]

31 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

Naa I think they are hyping up Alonso in order to make media and the other teams believe he is WC. Sooner or later one of the Spanish giants will buy Alonso for 50 million and then Sarri and board will be laughing their asses off

Alonso turns 30 in the middle of the season in the season after next. Fullbacks almost always burn out quickly from WC level once they hit 30. Almost no chance we get a big money offer for him if it doesnt come this January or in the summer. Only truly WC LB's on planet over 28 are the 30yo Marcelo (who, btw is rapidly aeging and going downhill) and the 29yo Jordi Alba. Alonso isn't in same postal code as those 2 are now. Imagine him in 2 or 3 years. 

[Vesper 30,195]

Exclusive: Alex Sandro renews with Juventus

https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/exclusive-alex-sandro-renews-with-juventus-transfer-blow-for-man-89929

After months of negotiating back and forth, Calciomercato.com's Fabrizio Romano reports that an agreement has been struck between Alex Sandro and Juventus, with the former set to sign a new contract very soon. 

 

The negotiations between sporting director Paratici and the Brazilian's entourage had been going on for a long time, but an agreement has finally been struck: Sandro will remain at Juventus until June 2023. 

 

Until a few days ago, it wasn't clear how much optimism there were from both parties, though the situation has seemingly completely unlocked. The Bianconeri decided to lock down the defender after realising that Marcelo is not a realistic target, having approached Real Madrid several times. 

 

The announcement regarding the renewal will be released soon, and it seems that the likes of Man Utd and PSG have been handed a major blow. 

 

snip

 

 

IF TRUE, he is permanently off the table for us (and all other teams)

This leaves

 

Lucas Hernández (CB as welland  2nd best LB in world , after Alaba IMHO, BUT a pipe dream, UNLESS they sign Gaya)

Junior Firpo

Jose Gaya (100m release clause though, AM wants him too)

Alex Telles

 

and maybe Wendell (Bayer Leverkusen) or Ferland Mendy (Barca wants him) or Alejandro Grimaldo (not entirely sold on him yet)

 

as only legit (atm) even remotely available LB upgrades to La Tortuga Alonso

[Vesper 30,195]

DONE DEAL 

Chelsea target Alex Sandro signs long-term Juventus contract in blow to Blues

The left-back put pen to paper on a new deal to keep him at the club until 2023 which is also bad news for Manchester United

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8031165/chelsea-alex-sandro-juventus-contract/

ALEX SANDRO has signed a new contract at Juventus and handed a blow to Chelsea and Manchester United.

The left-back has put pen to paper on a deal which keeps him at the Allianz Stadium until 2023.

 

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

4 YEARS

 

[Yeboii 1,844]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

DONE DEAL 

Chelsea target Alex Sandro signs long-term Juventus contract in blow to Blues

The left-back put pen to paper on a new deal to keep him at the club until 2023 which is also bad news for Manchester United

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8031165/chelsea-alex-sandro-juventus-contract/

ALEX SANDRO has signed a new contract at Juventus and handed a blow to Chelsea and Manchester United.

The left-back has put pen to paper on a deal which keeps him at the Allianz Stadium until 2023.

 

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

4 YEARS

 

He was long gone from us anyway. What a shame.