Viper22 2,418 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Get Rodriguez and start Azpi on the right...Not happening but I would love that. Aside from his offensive abilities he's a proper defender as well. And at his age, he still has a lot of room for growth.Would love that too but i've just had to come to the realisation that Jose thinks that Ivan is undroppable and a key player. So upsetting but just something we'll have to accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empire of emotions 247 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 32 million for a relatively unknown player? what's happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 32 million for a relatively unknown player? what's happening?Mid Summer Madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Rodriguez is incredibly slow for a fullback. Good player but he's the Swiss Leighton Baines.And Iva is fast? At least Rodriguez can cross and deliver a wicked set-piece. That I think is something we have missed since Mata. Cesc is good, but we need someone else who can do it as well (preferably with some pace). It's a bit of a crime that Willian seems to be second behind Cesc in terms of set-pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 1. I would bet good money there are a ton of players you've never heard of who are top players. Just a hunch...2. What if he isn't? He has the raw tools to succeed under Jose's tutelage. big, strong, fast, will tackler and a worker... I see nothing that would lead me to believe he may be a bust. Brana is gonna be 32 at the end of this season, how long do you expect him to be in top form?Chelsea FC know more than you, we have people who actually watch these guys play every game. You have no knowledge of yet you feel its fit to comment on his fee? Why not wait until you see him play before you make an assessment on the valuation? I really don't understand why people routinely comment on things they know nothing about... I am not completely doubting his ability, but RATHER THE LOGIC the club seems to be using for its new policy. Apparently potential now is worth nearly as much as a peak top class player. For example rumors of us considering going up to 34m for Stones is baffling if you consider Ramos was rumored to be available for 40m before he signed a new contract.If we don't have money I understand but for some reason we seems hell bent on investing in potential for big fees, a mistake that costs Arsenal and Liverpool dearly in the last decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulvhedin 526 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I am not completely doubting his ability, but RATHER THE LOGIC the club seems to be using for its new policy. Apparently potential now is worth nearly as much as a peak top class player. For example rumors of us considering going up to 34m for Stones is baffling if you consider Ramos was rumored to be available for 40m before he signed a new contract.If we don't have money I understand but for some reason we seems hell bent on investing in potential for big fees, a mistake that costs Arsenal and Liverpool dearly in the last decade.Ramos was 40m + trilion on wages.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Ramos was 40m + trilion on wages..Wait so now we are gonna bring wages in to justify it? Is £200k a week for the best defender in the world not worth it compared to the potential £60-£100k Stones will be getting?This is the exact thing that Liverpool and Arsenal kept on doing to justify themselves from breaking their wages 'structure'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhesusReus 219 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Wait so now we are gonna bring wages in to justify it? Is £200k a week for the best defender in the world not worth it compared to the potential £60-£100k Stones will be getting?This is the exact thing that Liverpool and Arsenal kept on doing to justify themselves from breaking their wages 'structure'.Ramos is far from the best defender in the world, not even top 5.But I agree with your sentiments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Wait so now we are gonna bring wages in to justify it? Is £200k a week for the best defender in the world not worth it compared to the potential £60-£100k Stones will be getting?This is the exact thing that Liverpool and Arsenal kept on doing to justify themselves from breaking their wages 'structure'.I don't know what you're thinking but there are more factors than just transfer fee and availability that go into player acquisition. Yes, wages are a factor to consider!Chelsea pay top dollar for top talent, that doesn't mean we have the means to pay 8 or 9 players that sort of money its about balance young grasshopper. FFP does still exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empire of emotions 247 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 then who is in top 5 if not ramos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 I am not completely doubting his ability, but RATHER THE LOGIC the club seems to be using for its new policy. Apparently potential now is worth nearly as much as a peak top class player. For example rumors of us considering going up to 34m for Stones is baffling if you consider Ramos was rumored to be available for 40m before he signed a new contract.If we don't have money I understand but for some reason we seems hell bent on investing in potential for big fees, a mistake that costs Arsenal and Liverpool dearly in the last decade.Yes this is true! Because as you've seen with Lukaku, Debruyne, Mata and to a lesser extent Luiz, players who are young with potential have sell on value. When we buy players with one contract left in them and likely no chance of them re-signing, it puts an enormous amount of pressure on our wage structure should that player be a bust. (See Torres for more evidence)Ever since Jose's been back he's stressed the importance of building the next chelsea for 10 yrs, what you're advocating is the type of reckless spending that got PSG and City in trouble.Let the people who run the club do their job, they know more about the inner workings of our financial situation than either me or you. The time to scrutinize their decisions is when the moves they have made look terrible(see Torres again) Until then relax and stop sweating the small shit, if Chelsea want a player they usually get that player. Nobody is holding a gun to their heads making them pay crazy prices, if the board see it as worth it they will do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 then who is in top 5 if not ramos?Good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,054 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Looks like it's a done deal. The rumoured fee (€25m) seems a bit steep, but that's the market for big teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Coentrao, Kurzawa, Rodriguez, heck even Baines..... guys who we could easily go after but no we are spending 17.5M on a guy who is prone to defensive errors and dodgy positioning? I don't like what we've done in this window... at all.. just replacing what we've lost as opposed to sorting out right midfield or a number 10 and another central midfielder for depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jernej93 569 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Would love that too but i've just had to come to the realisation that Jose thinks that Ivan is undroppable and a key player. So upsetting but just something we'll have to accept.Azpi - Ivanovic - Terry - RodriguezProblem solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,054 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Coentrao, Kurzawa, Rodriguez, heck even Baines..... guys who we could easily go after but no we are spending 17.5M on a guy who is prone to defensive errors and dodgy positioning? I don't like what we've done in this window... at all.. just replacing what we've lost as opposed to sorting out right midfield or a number 10 and another central midfielder for depth. I would think all four would cost more and are older. We will just have to hope he turns out to be another Azpi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I don't think anyone has a thing to complain about given how athletic, strong, agile and apparently skilled this guy is. And Chelsea need a left back with top quality potential. I'm completely satisfied with this signing. There are never any guarantees, but this guy has it all and all to gain in coming years.Happy Birthday, you're welcome. Now about the CM and maybe CB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 As usual everyone knows better than our manager and scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asolschayes 7 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 remember when we sign dave he's relatively unknown and he turn out to be world classand a lot of experts and analyst says this guy is arguably the best LB in bundesliga, i have high hopes he can become a starter with dave reverting back to RB his original position with ivan getting old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid Angel 2,130 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 People who are complaining about the price are most likely the ones who'll be moaning if we end up not signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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