Strike 7,489 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 This is exactly it. Falcao or anyone might fail at Chelsea. You can rationalize why it's different this time, but it really isn't. Anyone can fail even players as good as Shevchenko (who was a better player than Falcao). People make it sound as if Torres was useless before we bought him. He looked great when he scored a brace against us earlier in the year. If you watched that game and thought "he's losing it", you're lying. He hasn't played a single game against a top club with Chelsea as good as that. On paper, both of those players should have worked out and it's easy to make retrospective sense as to why they didn't work, but if Falcao or Cavani or whomever doesn't work out, we'll be able to do the same thing. Hindsight is 20/20. It just doesn't make sense to put all your eggs in one basket when you have so many holes to fill. It's an enormous risk, that if fails will basically mean Chelsea are screwed for years. I'd much rather someone like David Villa who would cost about 1/5th of Falcao/Cavani and then let a couple of young strikers play behind him to get experience and to prove that they can play at this level and make themselves ready to take over as the #1 when the time comes. It doesn't have to be Villa, it could be Demba Ba or Grant Holt or another cheaper striker than can score. Then, you can spend money on other positions (CM, new LB, young, promising striker). But we always have to chase the hot player...that's what they tell you in business school...buy high, sell low, right?excellent point but Falcao is an almost impossible signing at 48mil.. we are not going to get 60m Champions League bounty and we have turned over a profit for the first time in a while. (1.2mil) and for those saying we'll get money from Europa league, note this. Atletico Madrid got 10.5 million euros for winning Europa League. that's not even the winnings of CL group stages. simply put, Falcao is a no-go. atleast not at 48million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 People need to sort it out.3. 47million for Falcao is a lot, but we have top competition and itis January. RVP was at the last year of his contract and went for 27mi, that is pretty high too, at a normal transfer it would hit 40million. impossible. 47 mil is ridiculous money. i'd say let's wait till the summer to get a proper manager and then sign players he wants.also, money-wise its absurd to go ahead and sign falcao. read my previous post.plus, signings like ba, walcott and maybe a midfielder will be enough this january to secure our season objective - Top 4 finishthe squad has serious problems but i'd wait till the summer for Pep/Jose/Klopp or whoever it is that takes charge here and sign players that the manager wants and not the board or the directors. as of now, we have a bunch of talented individuals whose attacking policy is give the ball to the 3 amigos and we'll see if something comes of it. in january, if we can add a bit of depth and freshness to our attack to give us an option of switching to a 4-4-2 in games where our plans are not working, that'd be more than enough. sign bargain backups----top 4----rafa out----pep in----rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Shevchenko was NOT a better player than Falcao at the time of purchase. Torres WAS absolutely useless before we bought him and injured! That is the only reason he was sold. Yes he looked good against us but he was extremely poor when he played for Spain and was largely a shadow of himself when he played for Liverpool. One game in 19 doesn't make him a solid player... He was extremely poor for most of his 2010-11 campaign.And I don't understand why people always look to Shevy (past it) and Torres (damaged goods) when they look at buying big for a striker? What about Didier? Anelka? Vialli? Hasselbaink? You see it doesn't always go sour. And why focus so heavily on the negative, about what if it doesn't work? WHAT IF IT DOES??? we will have one of the most IN FORM, CLINICAL STRIKERS IN THE WORLD! A match winner and an offensive dynamo!You want Villa???? He's so past it! And coming off a major injury. That is precisely what you don't want with FFP its exactly why the Torres purchase was so poor! he's 31 for fuck sakes. Ba has terrible knees and Holt??? good lord what are you smoking son? If you're looking to give the youth a go you clearly haven't examined what's happening at the other big clubs in the world. WE NEED IN FORM STRIKERS TO COMPETE THERE IS NO ONE BETTER THAN FALCAO RIGHT NOW! Players like him don't become available, this is a rare opportunity to grab elite talent we need to take it and I know we will! Its a perfect marriage.Chelsea is in the business of winning things not looking to cut corners with cheap, damaged goods. When Falcao is banging them in with regularly you'll look back at this and wonder what the hell were you thinking. BOOK IT!Wrong on just about every count. Torres was not sold because he was worthless, he was sold because we paid 50M pounds. Nobody at that time was saying what you are saying people thought. He was worse the previous 6 months than he was previously, but he wasn't close to as bad as he's been for us.. Shevchenko was the best striker in the world the previous decade. He had led the Champions League in scoring the year before. He had scored 26 or more goals in 3 straight years in a league that was very difficult to score in. He had won the Ballon D'or two seasons before. It's the difference between a striker who was considered one of the best players in the world for about a decade and a striker who is in form. And why do people compare Falcao to Shevchenko and Torres, simply because of how much Falcao will cost. Hassailbank and Anelka cost under 20M pounds. Drogba cost 24M. Falcao would cost close to 50M. This is the curse of the new Chelsea. Every supporter wants to go out and buy the most expensive player. Villa is worthless! Demba Ba sucks! Grant Holt sucks! Everyone except the flavour of the moment sucks! @Rmpr-NOBODY is saying that because Shevchenko and Torres failed therefore Falcao will. What we are saying is that anybody can fail even players like Shevchenko and Torres who were regarded as world-class players (the revisionism around here is ridiculous). We have spent so much money as a club that people have insane ideas of market value. You know how many players in the world went for more than 20M pounds this year? Maybe 5-10. 45-50M pounds on one player is insane unless that player is a Ronaldo/Messi/Zidane sort of player. Falcao simply isn't that kind of player. (And as for a tactical analysis, ask SeB, maybe he'll do one for you. The short version for me is that Falcao is a target man, feeds of a system that feeds him. Chelsea don't play in our strikers very much at all and we certainly don't have a team set-up for one player to score. Falcao would score more than Torres because he's a better scorer and Torres misses too many easy goals which Falcao would knock home, but you don't need to spend 50M pounds to get someone better than Torres.I feel like it's the same thing that happened with Hulk (although I like Falcao more than Hulk) with supporters saying "he's amazing, he'll never fail, he's worth 40M pounds, etc.." If we don't get Falcao, it will be someone else in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'd rather Lewandowski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'd rather Lewandowski.Definitely. More to his game, and more suited to our style of play. Cheaper & younger.Can only see it in the summer though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Tung 3 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 torres will leave chelsea when available players january transfer window? .I'm not sure but i am sure chelsea owner Abramovich is willing to offer Atletico Madrid £48m to bring him to Stamford Bridge.We really need him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit 3,176 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Sorry mate, was offline...Basically, 6/4 means you put 4 on to win 6... But you also get the money you put on back. so if you bet £4, and it happenned you would get 10 back...Then man city are 6/1 meaning you get 6x your bet. So if you bet £4.00 you would get £28.00 back.10/1 would be £44.00 etc.This means we are the favourites, and at 33/1 liverpool are the outsiders.Thanks a lot mate. Now i can look at those figures and not be be bemused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 People comparing Falcao to Lewandovsky should be really embarrassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 People comparing Falcao to Lewandovsky should be really embarrassed.I'm so embarrassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Definitely. More to his game, and more suited to our style of play. Cheaper & younger.Can only see it in the summer though.Falcao is 26 and Lewandovsky is 24. In this case age counts for Falcao. Chelsea is enough of young players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 People comparing Falcao to Torres before he joined Chelsea are also ridiculous. Torres during 10/11 season was pretty useless, in fact even in 09/10 season he was already fading. Back then people said he did not have the motivation to play for Liverpool again, because he realized he had tom move to win trophies. Now we know thats wasnt the case.People moaning about Falcao, are crazy or just trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 People comparing Falcao to Torres before he joined Chelsea are also ridiculous. Torres during 10/11 season was pretty useless, in fact even in 09/10 season he was already fading.Back then people said he did not have the motivation to play for Liverpool again, because he realized he had tom move to win trophies. Now we know thats wasnt the case.People moaning about Falcao, are crazy or just trolling.well the price for Falcao is just absurdly inflated. can't afford him. would rather make 3 signings to freshen up mid and atttack rather than one Falcao in January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Opting for anyone apart from the vast majority should be 'an embarrassment' or reveal you as a 'troll or a lunatic'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Wrong on just about every count. Torres was not sold because he was worthless, he was sold because we paid 50M pounds. Nobody at that time was saying what you are saying people thought. He was worse the previous 6 months than he was previously, but he wasn't close to as bad as he's been for us.. Shevchenko was the best striker in the world the previous decade. He had led the Champions League in scoring the year before. He had scored 26 or more goals in 3 straight years in a league that was very difficult to score in. He had won the Ballon D'or two seasons before. It's the difference between a striker who was considered one of the best players in the world for about a decade and a striker who is in form. And why do people compare Falcao to Shevchenko and Torres, simply because of how much Falcao will cost. Hassailbank and Anelka cost under 20M pounds. Drogba cost 24M. Falcao would cost close to 50M. This is the curse of the new Chelsea. Every supporter wants to go out and buy the most expensive player. Villa is worthless! Demba Ba sucks! Grant Holt sucks! Everyone except the flavour of the moment sucks! @Rmpr-NOBODY is saying that because Shevchenko and Torres failed therefore Falcao will. What we are saying is that anybody can fail even players like Shevchenko and Torres who were regarded as world-class players (the revisionism around here is ridiculous). We have spent so much money as a club that people have insane ideas of market value. You know how many players in the world went for more than 20M pounds this year? Maybe 5-10. 45-50M pounds on one player is insane unless that player is a Ronaldo/Messi/Zidane sort of player. Falcao simply isn't that kind of player. (And as for a tactical analysis, ask SeB, maybe he'll do one for you. The short version for me is that Falcao is a target man, feeds of a system that feeds him. Chelsea don't play in our strikers very much at all and we certainly don't have a team set-up for one player to score. Falcao would score more than Torres because he's a better scorer and Torres misses too many easy goals which Falcao would knock home, but you don't need to spend 50M pounds to get someone better than Torres.I feel like it's the same thing that happened with Hulk (although I like Falcao more than Hulk) with supporters saying "he's amazing, he'll never fail, he's worth 40M pounds, etc.." If we don't get Falcao, it will be someone else in the summer. You should do your homework on Torres. The medical staff were quoted when they said "when he left for his physical at Chelsea we were certain he was coming back" He has degenerative knees... And no at the time of the purchase I was irate! it was as plain as day that he lost a half a yard of pace.Shevy WAS one of the best strikers in the world but when we got him he was he was 30? not exactly a sound purchase point is it? But again Roman bought him because at the time he didn't care if he could only get two years out of him, he deemed it worth it... He would just go back in the window and buy again if it flopped which he did.I don't believe in curses... If you believe in things that you don't understand you will suffer - Stevie Wonder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 José never really used Sheva properly anyway. Lotss of sub on and off and lots of games on the wing. I think he did that just to spite Roman. Poor Sheva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 José never really used Sheva properly anyway. Lotss of sub on and off and lots of games on the wing. I think he did that just to spite Roman. Poor Sheva.Had sheva hit the ground running he would've had more time to find his legs. I really didn't think he was all that bad we all just expected more and at the time Didier was the best striker in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Had sheva hit the ground running he would've had more time to find his legs. I really didn't think he was all that bad we all just expected more and at the time Didier was the best striker in the worldSheva scored in his debut against Manchester United... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Sheva scored in his debut against Manchester United...community shield... He didn't score again for like 8 or 9 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 community shield... He didn't score again for like 8 or 9 gamesStill counts though doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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