Lack of English players in the squad

[Fernando 6,585]

While I do agree there aren't many top quality English players out there right now, sometimes I do wonder if people's judgment of English talent has been clouded by the general mediocrity of the England NT and influenced by the media. More often than not, I see people are being so immediately dismissive of English players without seemingly have an objective judgment.

So is lallana better then Fabregas or Alexis Sanchez?

Seriously get a grip.

They stink!

The club has to develop its own if it wants the identity of English players in its team.

[iseah100 5,612]

While I do agree there aren't many top quality English players out there right now, sometimes I do wonder if people's judgment of English talent has been clouded by the general mediocrity of the England NT and influenced by the media. More often than not, I see people are being so immediately dismissive of English players without seemingly have an objective judgment.

Is there top English players not getting called to the NT ?

[Jase 43,479]

So is lallana better then Fabregas or Alexis Sanchez?

Seriously get a grip.

They stink!

Cheers for proving my point. You practically picked 1 English player and categorize the entire NT as 'stink'.

The club has to develop its own if it wants the identity of English players in its team.

Funnily enough, the core of English players in our squad - which we were all proud about - over the last decade had 2 English players who we didn't develop and got them from other clubs.

Is there top English players not getting called to the NT ?

I guess it depends on how you define 'top'. I'm not disagreeing with points about England lack top quality players but to categorize everyone as rubbish just because majority, not all, are mostly that is nonsensical.

[Fernando 6,585]

Cheers for proving my point. You practically picked 1 English player and categorize the entire NT as 'stink'.

Funnily enough, the core of English players in our squad - which we were all proud about - over the last decade had 2 English players who we didn't develop and got them from other clubs.

I guess it depends on how you define 'top'. I'm not disagreeing with points about England lack top quality players but to categorize everyone as rubbish just because majority, not all, are mostly that is nonsensical.

You want me to go over the list and see how shit they are?

Only 2 or 3 would be starters at Chelsea.

[Jase 43,479]

You want me to go over the list and see how shit they are?

Only 2 or 3 would be starters at Chelsea.

You might want to read the points I made in the previous post again...

I see people are being so immediately dismissive of English players without seemingly have an objective judgment.

I'm not disagreeing with points about England lack top quality players but to categorize everyone as rubbish just because majority, not all, are mostly that is nonsensical.

[Fernando 6,585]

You might want to read the points I made in the previous post again...

It's simple, Lampard was a top player that even foreign clubs like Barcelona wanted him.

Cole the same, real coveted him so much.

Now in England which foreign team will covet a English player?

The only one I can see are sterling and maybe sturridge.

Now these are players that have many years left in them and could be in a top team for a while.

The Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard are on decline. So won't put them in that same bracket as these two.

Oh and we had one, in sturridge but gave him away because of Torres.....

[Term-X 7,891]

You clearly don't know Jose Mourinho, its about who is the best for the situation at hand. Positions aren't one based on transfer fees or place of birth(though I do think British talent would take precedence if all things are equal). If Loftus Cheek and Chalobah are good enough they will play ahead of Van Ginkel, its as simple as that.

As for buying Shaw at £30m your fucking head is GONE. In no way did he prove he was a £30m player, not even close. Right now he's just potential English talent that has yet to be realized.

Shaw was the best natural left back in the PL last season, he 'proved' he was capable, and since he's just 19 years old.. the £30m (bargain) would soon be recouped.

What a stupid thing to say about Mourinho, he has practically zero record of bringing through academy players. Varane is Zouma, in the sense that these young foreign talents block the path of our own young talents. It's ok when 25-30 year olds are blocking the path of academy players, but for every raw foreign youth we buy it kills a potential domestic/home-grown academy player.

[Jase 43,479]

It's simple, Lampard was a top player that even foreign clubs like Barcelona wanted him.

Cole the same, real coveted him so much.

But that wasn't the original point you made, was it?

The club has to develop its own if it wants the identity of English players in its team.

How can it be one rule for one and another for others?

Now in England which foreign team will covet a English player?

The only one I can see are sterling and maybe sturridge.

Now these are players that have many years left in them and could be in a top team for a while.

The Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard are on decline. So won't put them in that same bracket as these two.

Oh and we had one, in sturridge but gave him away because of Torres.....

Funny now you're using whether other clubs want the player as a criteria to judge if that player is shit or not. As if that is such a valid way to judge whether a player is good or not.

[Fernando 6,585]

But that wasn't the original point you made, was it?

Funny now you're using whether other clubs want the player as a criteria to judge if that player is shit or not. As if that is such a valid way to judge whether a player is good or not.

For a top team that wants to rule all of Europe, yes!

Hey its not our fault that England players have regressed.

If anything England has to look at the German model because they must be doing something right.

[Shane 2,275]

I do believe bringing the English identity back to the football club is essential to Jose, and it will come in time with the introduction of young players and buying young English targets in future transfer markets, But the most important thing was to bring our Starting 11 and bench to a world class level first.

We must be patient, as the integrating of young players will only be successful with managerial stability at this club it seems.

[Jase 43,479]

For a top team that wants to rule all of Europe, yes!

Hey its not our fault that England players have regressed.

If anything England has to look at the German model because they must be doing something right.

Objective judgment. 'Objective judgment' indeed...

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

No offence mate but think you're being rather ignorant on the lack of English players issue in our squad. It's utterly depressing that we only have 2 English players in the squad right now and only 1 is an England international. We are an English club and we should be having more than that. It's what helps fans to associate the club and if we don't have that, we'll lose that bit of identity.

The situation is all the more depressing when you see Arsenal have 6 English players in their squad with all potential first choice in their starting XI. Their first XI was used to fill with foreigners while ours almost have a blend of the two but now, it's like we have switched places. Their squad now is more balanced while ours is top-heavy with foreigners.

Yes maybe we do not have a lot of English players but honestly when you look at the value for money that United, Liverpool and Arsenal have got for splashing out for players like Shaw, Lallana, Welbeck, Chambers and Oxlade-Chamberlain a few years back is it any wonder? I would rather get value on players who were foreign as opposed to English if it meant we got better deals. The better a team you have the more chance of winning the title, simple as that.

Some of the arguments for having an English core is ridiculous sometimes, we are an English club bla bla bla, yes I know that but honestly who out of the England squad tonight would get in the current Chelsea XI other than Cahill and perhaps Sterling and Baines?

Hart ahead of Courtois? No.

Stones and Baines ahead of Ivanovic and Azpilicueta? No. Well, Baines maybe? Even though Filipe Luis can't get in the team?

Jones ahead of Terry? No.

Chamberlain and Sterling ahead of Willian and Hazard? No. Sterling maybe would instead of Willian perhaps.

Henderson and Wilshere ahead of Cesc and Matic? No.

Rooney and Sturridge ahead of Costa? No.

If there were genuine English players better than what we have then I would be all for signing English players but the point is there aren't. Even the average English players get sold for a fucking shitload of money too, 35M for someone like Andy Carroll? We got a very good striker for 32M in Diego Costa. The value for money ain't there and until it changes I wouldn't be surprised if clubs like ourselves and Man City keep looking towards more foreign players than English players.

There is a reason England haven't won a world cup since 1966 and why teams like Liverpool and Arsenal, who have a lot of average English players in their starting XI, wont win the PL any time soon. I would rather we promoted youngsters from the academy than bought English players like Lallana or Henderson or whoever else for ridiculous prices if we were to have a more English core. We have had 3 of the very best English players of the last 10-15 years in our team last season in Lamps, Cole and Terry and we still have Terry, but who that is English right now is as good as any of those 3? There is nobody at that sort of standard, which was a high quality.

[Tomo 21,751]

I get that it's an English club, but I'M NOT, and most of the fans aren't. Only a small percentage of the Chelsea fan base is English. Can't Belgian Chelsea fans identify with Tibo and Hazard? And German fans with Schurrle? And Brazilian fans with Ramires, Oscar, Willian and Costa?

I get that you're English and want an English core, but the club will ALWAYS have an identity, with or without English starters. I would rather have a good foreign player than a mediocre English one. But that's just me.

That being said, I would LOVE for some of the young guys like Baker, RLC, etc to make it to our squad.

If I supported say PSG I would want a French core to the team as much as I do an English core to Chelsea, me wanting a HG core has absolutely nothing to do with me being English.

Given our need to get back to having a top top squad and JT in relitevely good condition we can let it go this year, from next summer we really need to start rebuilding our host country group, starting with a back up keeper if Cech leaves and someone like John Stones.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Shaw was the best natural left back in the PL last season, he 'proved' he was capable, and since he's just 19 years old.. the £30m (bargain) would soon be recouped.

What a stupid thing to say about Mourinho, he has practically zero record of bringing through academy players. Varane is Zouma, in the sense that these young foreign talents block the path of our own young talents. It's ok when 25-30 year olds are blocking the path of academy players, but for every raw foreign youth we buy it kills a potential domestic/home-grown academy player.

You clearly know nothing about Jose. His first spell here there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING close to a proper youth set up. When he went to Inter he basically built that foundation for them and brought in Balotelli into a treble winning squad... And yes at Real with their high standards he got Varane, Morata and Jese through.

What you guys will all come to understand sooner rather than later is for youth to come through you need stability in the management position. Until Jose is here for 4-5 yrs you won't see youth brought in.

You can wank all you want over Luke Shaw, he hasn't proven anything to me other than having some potential and being an English Chelsea fan... That's it. 30m for him looks ridiculously dumb.

[The Chels 2,502]

Personally I don't have a problem with choosing the likes of Courtois over Hart, Fabregas over Henderson. It's only really a problem when there's such little difference in quality. Players like Salah and Zouma could easily be replaced by similarly talented English players.