Lack of English players in the squad

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Arsenal and Liverpool have a core of English players now, i would love Chelsea to have to same, hopefully in a few more years that'll change.

  On 04/09/2014 at 15:37, Jason said:

Considering half of 'The Board' thread is filled with discussion about the lack of English players in the squad and doesn't look like it's gonna stop anytime soon, will move those posts to here to avoid derailing that thread any further...

Edited September 4, 2014 by Jason

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  On 03/09/2014 at 12:22, James said:

Arsenal and Liverpool have a core of English players now, i would love Chelsea to have to same, hopefully in a few more years that'll change.

And they suck. I'll take our Belgian/Spanish core.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 12:29, iseah100 said:

And they suck. I'll take our Belgian/Spanish core.

This is an English club, it's important to sustain the culture, it really can't be stressed how important Terry is here. The club must do everything possible to get our English backbone back now Cole & Lamps have gone.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 13:10, Term-X said:

This is an English club, it's important to sustain the culture, it really can't be stressed how important Terry is here. The club must do everything possible to get our English backbone back now Cole & Lamps have gone.

We still have Cahill who will probably be our next captain, after that who knows.

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In general I'd agree that the transfer policy/philosophy has changed. However, being a major club we're gonna have those moments of madness, like when we tried to sign Rooney, which was only a year ago.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 14:47, Term-X said:

In general I'd agree that the transfer policy/philosophy has changed. However, being a major club we're gonna have those moments of madness, like when we tried to sign Rooney, which was only a year ago.

That 'moment of madness' may well have won us the league.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 15:06, The only place to be said:

That 'moment of madness' may well have won us the league.

How was it a moment of madness? It's not like we were willing to spend £60m on him.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 15:07, iseah100 said:

How was it a moment of madness? It's not like we were willing to spend £60m on him.

I absolutely agree. The figures doing the rounds were £25-30 million which was decent value for him and he scored 17 goals last season in a poor team.

He could've been the difference.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 15:11, The only place to be said:

I absolutely agree. The figures doing the rounds were £25-30 million which was decent value for him and he scored 17 goals last season in a poor team.

He could've been the difference.

Exactly. If that's a moment of madness, then what was it when we got Willian?

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Rooney may well have won us the league last year but I'm glad the deal fell through. He is declining in my honest opinion and has lost all his explosiveness; I watched him against Burnley the other day and he was awful. He may turn it on once in a while but as a consistent, top level performer I think he's finished.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 03:13, The Skipper said:

No one has mentioned this, but surely we must be well in the positive regarding our net spent considering we get fees for loans? We have 25+ players out on loan too. Obviously not all will enforce a loan fee, but some of the significant players i.e. Bertrand, Torres, T. Hazard, Piazon, Chalobah, MVG etc?

I those in particular we don't get fees for because their wages are relatively high. I remember last season we paid about half of Nathanial's wages for his loan to Forrest. Burnely are of course can pay more, but I'm not sure they'd be willing to pay the full 30k/wk for a 20 year old.

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Jose said he wants to have more English players, i think once we start winning things it'll be easier to integrate our youth players into the team.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 15:06, The only place to be said:

That 'moment of madness' may well have won us the league.

Rooney earns £300,000 pw at United, that was the deal that kept him there, so our offer would have been 'there or there abouts'. Possibly could have been a one-season-wonder, but he's on the decline, and we would have been stuck with him, whilst Costa scores for fun at Atletico.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 17:57, Term-X said:

Rooney earns £300,000 pw at United, that was the deal that kept him there, so our offer would have been 'there or there abouts'. Possibly could have been a one-season-wonder, but he's on the decline, and we would have been stuck with him, whilst Costa scores for fun at Atletico.

Our deal would've almost certainly have been less but there's also the added value he would've bought to the club as well as the possible increase in prize money.

It was by no means a 'moment of madness' but a sound financial gambit.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 18:11, The only place to be said:

Our deal would've almost certainly have been less but there's also the added value he would've bought to the club as well as the possible increase in prize money.

It was by no means a 'moment of madness' but a sound financial gambit.

It wasn't long term thinking, he's just another 'reputation' like Torres.. not tailor made for the side like Costa is. Rooney is a marketers wet dream, so the brand-conscious suits at the club will have pushed for it.. 'english rose'/poster boy etc. He would have been on bat shit crazy wages and given his evident decline, that would have put us in another Torres situation, Torres-Lite™ shall we say.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 18:18, Term-X said:

It wasn't long term thinking, he's just another 'reputation' like Torres.. not tailor made for the side like Costa is. Rooney is a marketers wet dream, so the brand-conscious suits at the club will have pushed for it.. 'english rose'/poster boy etc. He would have been on bat shit crazy wages and given his evident decline, that would have put us in another Torres situation, Torres-Lite™ shall we say.

Yet it was absolutely a Jose purchase and he was pushing for it from day one. The marketing benefits was absolutely a bonus but he was identified for footballing reasons.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 18:22, The only place to be said:

Yet it was absolutely a Jose purchase and he was pushing for it from day one. The marketing benefits was absolutely a bonus but he was identified for footballing reasons.

We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, so it's impossible to say whether there was influence within the club or not. Costa is tailor made for the club, Rooney wasn't even playing as a forward when he was being linked here. It's clear the move took off when it became apparent Rooney wanted to earn more, that's not long-term thinking, that's going on a whim based on current circumstances.

It's nightmare worthy to think we'd have THIS Rooney right now in the side on 250-300k pw and Costa at Atletico. Madness.

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  On 03/09/2014 at 15:57, James said:

Jose said he wants to have more English players, i think once we start winning things it'll be easier to integrate our youth players into the team.

city don't have much english players and the press leaves them alone. I don't really see where a current englishman will fit in our first 11. Maybe to replace JT but can't think of any promising CB right now