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[Atomiswave 6,117]

https://financialfootballnews.com/chelsea-fcs-2019-finances-sarri-ball-sorry-losses/

We fucking need CL footy theres no around it....the amounts we have pissed away on utter dross is fucking insane man.

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[Chelsea_firstlove 178]

8 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

  

    

So how much can we spend next summer?

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9 hours ago, Chelsea_firstlove said:

So how much can we spend next summer?

I couldnt make a guess really cuz I would most likley be off

[King Kante 1,643]

On 07/03/2020 at 3:46 AM, Chelsea_firstlove said:

So how much can we spend next summer?

I reckon £100m net, which gives us approximately £15m left over atm with Ziyech and Werner. In my opinion, most of our buys going forward will have to be funded by sales.

[Jype 6,398]

3 minutes ago, King Kante said:

I reckon £100m net, which gives us approximately £15m left over atm with Ziyech and Werner. In my opinion, most of our buys going forward will have to be funded by sales.

You're forgetting Morata and Pasalic sales. That's roughly 65m from sales of two players who've not even been a part of the squad.

So around 20m net spend after Werner and Ziyech. I'd think there's still enough money for a LB signing, but any other big transfers (ie. Havertz) would have to be covered by sales. One can only hope Marina is successful in selling the deadwood (Batshuayi, Barkley, Bakayoko etc.)

[Jase 43,479]

13 minutes ago, King Kante said:

I reckon £100m net, which gives us approximately £15m left over atm with Ziyech and Werner. In my opinion, most of our buys going forward will have to be funded by sales.

 

3 minutes ago, Jype said:

You're forgetting Morata and Pasalic sales. That's roughly 65m from sales of two players who've not even been a part of the squad.

So around 20m net spend after Werner and Ziyech. I'd think there's still enough money for a LB signing, but any other big transfers (ie. Havertz) would have to be covered by sales. One can only hope Marina is successful in selling the deadwood (Batshuayi, Barkley, Bakayoko etc.)

Even though we are in better place financially than some other clubs, I'd assume money from player sales would also be used to cover the losses suffered during this pandemic. Don't think it would be as straightforward as us selling Player X for XX million means we can use that to buy someone new. 

[Jype 6,398]

Just now, Jason said:

Even though we are in better place financially than some other clubs, I'd assume money from player sales would also be used to cover the losses suffered during this pandemic. Don't think it would be as straightforward as us selling Player X for XX million means we can use that to buy someone new. 

Of course. It's a well known fact the club's business model is heavily reliant in player sales even before COVID, and now even more so.

Last year's big sales and being transfer banned probably helped a lot here though. I'm not an expert but without the financial losses resulting from the pandemic the club would probably have posted a healthy profit this year, mainly thanks to Hazard sale and return of CL income.

Regarding FFP the club are fine either way. I read on Swiss Ramble that the 3-year rolling FFP result (with managerial sackings etc. excluded) from 2017-19 was £63M in the black, even with the heavy financial losses of the 2018-19 season. And there's some new leeway in the FFP rules due to the pandemic, which could help a lot.

The fees are amortised anyway so it doesn't make that much of an impact whether the club spends 100m or 200m but in this climate I don't think there's many clubs with that much extra money lying around their accounts so that's where sales like Morata and Pasalic help. Some of the income may go into covering losses on the books, but the money is still there to be spent and taking advantage of the market when others cannot sounds like a pretty good plan to me. The question is, how much Abramovich is willing to invest his own money this year? He can't cover excessive losses like he did pre-FFP or buff the club's finances with make-believe sponsorships like Manchester City, but if he's willing to invest capital into the club it would make new signings a lot easier.

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

 

Even though we are in better place financially than some other clubs, I'd assume money from player sales would also be used to cover the losses suffered during this pandemic. Don't think it would be as straightforward as us selling Player X for XX million means we can use that to buy someone new. 

We could if we wanted to or at least to a greater extent than believed cuz FFP has been lightened for a season

[King Kante 1,643]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

 

Even though we are in better place financially than some other clubs, I'd assume money from player sales would also be used to cover the losses suffered during this pandemic. Don't think it would be as straightforward as us selling Player X for XX million means we can use that to buy someone new. 

This is where I am at. Obviously the club have extra money for sales but operating income is going to be seriously down. Therefore, the 'extra' transfer income will go towards operating costs. 

[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, Jype said:

Of course. It's a well known fact the club's business model is heavily reliant in player sales even before COVID, and now even more so.

Last year's big sales and being transfer banned probably helped a lot here though. I'm not an expert but without the financial losses resulting from the pandemic the club would probably have posted a healthy profit this year, mainly thanks to Hazard sale and return of CL income.

Regarding FFP the club are fine either way. I read on Swiss Ramble that the 3-year rolling FFP result (with managerial sackings etc. excluded) from 2017-19 was £63M in the black, even with the heavy financial losses of the 2018-19 season. And there's some new leeway in the FFP rules due to the pandemic, which could help a lot.

The fees are amortised anyway so it doesn't make that much of an impact whether the club spends 100m or 200m but in this climate I don't think there's many clubs with that much extra money lying around their accounts so that's where sales like Morata and Pasalic help. Some of the income may go into covering losses on the books, but the money is still there to be spent and taking advantage of the market when others cannot sounds like a pretty good plan to me. The question is, how much Abramovich is willing to invest his own money this year? He can't cover excessive losses like he did pre-FFP or buff the club's finances with make-believe sponsorships like Manchester City, but if he's willing to invest capital into the club it would make new signings a lot easier.

 

2 hours ago, King Kante said:

This is where I am at. Obviously the club have extra money for sales but operating income is going to be seriously down. Therefore, the 'extra' transfer income will go towards operating costs. 

I said what I said because I have seen too many people posting the Ins and Outs and cost of players like they are nothing or we have nothing else to worry about. I know the FFP will be relaxed for one season and I haven't read all the details but am sure there's still a catch or two to ensure clubs don't go out of hand with their spending. We are fortunate that Roman is willing to use his own money to help the club but his wealth isn't bottomless and as you said, the sale of players will play an important part for new signings. But there is no guarantee that we will be able to sell all the deadwoods at this point of time, unless Marina lowers the asking price. Otherwise, I suspect we might see loan deals here and there instead. 

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On 22/06/2020 at 11:39 PM, Jason said:

 

I said what I said because I have seen too many people posting the Ins and Outs and cost of players like they are nothing or we have nothing else to worry about. I know the FFP will be relaxed for one season and I haven't read all the details but am sure there's still a catch or two to ensure clubs don't go out of hand with their spending. We are fortunate that Roman is willing to use his own money to help the club but his wealth isn't bottomless and as you said, the sale of players will play an important part for new signings. But there is no guarantee that we will be able to sell all the deadwoods at this point of time, unless Marina lowers the asking price. Otherwise, I suspect we might see loan deals here and there instead. 

this is what we are looking at in terms of sales

 £500 to £550m or so (it dicey to say exactly) worth of players here en toto (pre-COVID valuations are over £600m when you count every single one listed) but obviously not all can be sold in one window

We need to sell

Álvaro Morata (Done)
Mario Pasalic (Done)
Andreas Christensen (he has GOT to go and be upgraded upon, I would prefer both he and Zouma be sold, but that is not happening in one window unless we get 2 incredible buy deals tossed into our laps, which is so unlikely) I just do not see what Lamps sees in our 4 main CB's, they (and Kepa) make my tummy churn every game. Even Alonso has not done that for ages.
Ross Barkley (if we can get say £30m, 35m for him, he will never be worth more (well COVID maybe lowers that a bit)plus Bayer failed to get CL, then a Barks sale plus Havertz buy is only around £40m or so net spend)
Tiemoué Bakayoko  
Emerson
Michy Batshuayi
Davide Zappacosta
Danny Drinkwater  
Jorginho  (Juve need to cough up serious cash or work a swap deal involving de Ligt for Jorgi plus cash or maybe Emerson, which is a little steep from our angle as I rate those 2 as being worth £85m-ish and not sure if de Ligt is worth that atm, that is a shedload of money, but I think I would pull the trigger, as then we only need the less costly 
Abdul Rahman Baba
Victor Moses    
Kenedy   
Marco van Ginkel
Juan Familia-Castillo (as Ajax did not exercise their option to buy, or keep him and see if he can ever be a decent LB)
Nathan   
Charly Musonda Jr.    
Danilo Pantic  
Matt Miazga    
Lewis Baker   
Jamal Blackman
Lucas Piazón 
Jake Clarke-Salter
Izzy Brown
Josh Grant    
Richard Nartey
Luke McCormick    
Jacob Maddox   

 

We could sell 

Kepa    (not likely, especially due to crazy wages for the next 5 years and his £72m transfer fee, ie. how much are we willing to lose of that overall)
Zouma (sorry, he is shit too)
Marcos Alonso (only if we buy two LB's which is not likely this window, I am oki with him as a the backup as he is curveball option in certain types of games)   
N'Golo Kanté    (not at all likely apparently)
Olivier Giroud    (I would keep him)

 

Leave on a free

Willian   (unless he renews for 2 years, which he still says no way to, the prick)
Pedro  

 

we need a GK (just buy some decent backup if we do not want to splurge for Kepa actual long term replacement atm). 1 CB for sure, would prefer 2 with both Zouma and Ac shown the door, a LB, and Havertz (on so many levels, ie blocking Victimpool and Manure and Shitty and Bayern and Real), plus he takes pressure off in so many areas, even winger, as we are down to only 2 true wingers, plus Ziyech who may be need at limes as an AMF)

it is just a matter of selling the insane amount of dregs we are carrying on the books