🇷🇸 Nemanja Matic

[DYC. 7,542]

Gave away a silly one against Southampton earlier this year as well. I don't want to overreact or anything like that but maybe Henrique had a point when he said Matic isn't all that great some time. Heck, perhaps even the Arsenal fans had a point when they said Coquelin is better than Matic. And...maybe Mourinho had a point too when he said took the players - including Matic - to another level that they weren't capable of reaching yet.

Comparisons with the likes of Busquets were always too much for me. But I don't know. Looking at his performances in 2014 and 2015... there's just such a contrast for me. Is 2014 Matic the real Matic or is 2015 the real one? I really don't know. I'm not ready to write him off though.

But I still don't think he's a true holding midfielder.

[Styles 9,790]

Yet another player I've given up on and want replaced.

[JaKstone 307]

Comparisons with the likes of Busquets were always too much for me. But I don't know. Looking at his performances in 2014 and 2015... there's just such a contrast for me. Is 2014 Matic the real Matic or is 2015 the real one? I really don't know. I'm not ready to write him off though.

But I still don't think he's a true holding midfielder.

That moment when he bossed City and fooled an entire world into thinking he is the long time solution

[Jase 43,479]

But I still don't think he's a true holding midfielder.

Then what is he? He's like neither here nor there at the moment.

[DYC. 7,542]

Then what is he? He's like neither here nor there at the moment.

It's like when Essien would playing holding midfield. He can't handle the restrictions and doesn't posses the tactical intelligence to play there. Nowadays holding midfielders are the players who provide intelligent passing and positioning at the base of midfield as well, starting up attacks. Think Busquets, Alonso, Motta etc. Matic is not that player.

For me he's a CM, on the left of a three man midfield. Like Essien on the right in the past or the like the likes of Nainggolan, Vidal, Rakitic, Matuidi etc. today.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Gave away a silly one against Southampton earlier this year as well. I don't want to overreact or anything like that but maybe Henrique had a point when he said Matic isn't all that great some time. Heck, perhaps even the Arsenal fans had a point when they said Coquelin is better than Matic. And...maybe Mourinho had a point too when he said took the players - including Matic - to another level that they weren't capable of reaching yet.

Tbh I'm still not sold on Coquelin either. Maybe it's because Arsenal fans are doing my head in overrating him as per usual - Even Wenger said he's worth £40m not too long ago smh.

On Matic though, incredible how he's become so inconsistent. When first re-signed, it was called a stroke of genius by Mou. Maybe if the 2014 Matic was eligible in Europe, we could've won the CL that year - What's clear is he needs us to sign someone to give him the proverbial kick up the backside. Because right now he's far too comfortable and assured of his place

[xPetrCechx 13,571]

Time to wake up mate.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I'm sorry, I can't hold it in anymore, and this is in no way about the penalty today to but his performances since the start of the year: This guy is criminally overrated and for some reason always manages to avoid criticism and get afforded all the excuses in the world.

He had an excellent four month period at the start of last season but calling him the best defensive midfielder in Europe is akin to Liverpool fans labeling Joe Allen as one of the best midfielders in the world!

[DYC. 7,542]

I'm sorry, I can't hold it in anymore, and this is in no way about the penalty today to but his performances since the start of the year: This guy is criminally overrated and for someone reason always manages to avoid criticism and gets afforded all the excuses in the world.

He had an excellent four month period at the start of last season but calling him the best defensive midfielder in Europe is akin to Liverpool fans labeling Joe Allen as one of the best midfielders in the world!

He's tall. It commands respect.

He'd get ripped to shreds if he was 7 inches shorter.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

He's tall. It commands respect.

He'd get ripped to shreds if he was 7 inches shorter.

He can't even jump! He's like the worst tall player in the air I've seen (yes, I know you were joking).

[DYC. 7,542]

He can't even jump! He's like the worst tall player in the air I've seen (yes, I know you were joking).

It was never a problem before. He'd win most of his aerial duels anyway because of his height (I was only half-joking).

[CHOULO19 24,332]

It was never a problem before. He'd win most of his aerial duels anyway because of his height (I was only half-joking).

Actually I made this point a few times last season that his aerial duels stats look 'normal' but only compared to much shorter central midfielders. For his height, his ability in the air has always been sub par, at least for me.

[DYC. 7,542]

Actually I made this point a few times last season that his aerial duels stats look 'normal' but only compared to much shorter central midfielders. For his height, his ability in the air has always been sub par, at least for me.

True. But he would still beat most people he'd face in midfield and that's all that mattered.

I don't even know what the point of this is. What are we talking about?

He's been poor and it's his own fault.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

True. But he would still beat most people he'd face in midfield and that's all that mattered.

I don't even know what the point of this is. What are we talking about?

He's been poor and it's his own fault.

What are we? Why do we even live?!

And no, it's Fabregas' fault. It's always Fabregas' fault...

[Special Juan 28,141]

It isn't just a Matic or Fabregas problem, it runs a lot deeper. We have zero aggression in that area of the park, the press and desire is gone. Go back and watch Wanyama's display from tonight if you want to know what we miss most of, that is the clearest indication.

[Peace. 4,352]

I'm sorry, I can't hold it in anymore, and this is in no way about the penalty today to but his performances since the start of the year: This guy is criminally overrated and for some reason always manages to avoid criticism and get afforded all the excuses in the world.

He had an excellent four month period at the start of last season but calling him the best defensive midfielder in Europe is akin to Liverpool fans labeling Joe Allen as one of the best midfielders in the world!

He is avoiding criticism for many reasons :

• as Oscar, he put a 'brilliant' performance in one of his very first game here and thus he is still living of that game against City ;
• 'he' (it is rather the fans) built his myth during his first four months here where the fact he could not play every games was hiding his limitations and his lack of consistency ;
• (If my counts are correct) Out of 14 games he played in the league during these four months, he was paired six times with Ramires, thrice with Ramires and once with Mikel. All that within an ultra-defensive team, it is not hard to look like a 'defensive beast' ;
• He has very long legs so yeah when he puts a challenge that is impressive (i.e. the 'spider') ;
• Chelsea fans love their 'beast players' — Essien and Costa being good examples. His 'beast' performance against Manchester did allow Chelsea fans to believe, in a time where there were no longer 'beasts' (Luiz could have, though he was already frustrating everybody), that there was finally someone to pursue the 'beast' legacy of Essien, Ballack, etc..

In a nutshell, Chelsea fans needed to have their 'beast' ; Matic did a 'beast' performance ; Matic has a 'beast' nick-name, i.e the spider... It was a match made in heaven, and that is how Matic became our very own 'Beast'. And because he is our very own 'Beast', he cannot do wrong.

[Gappy 130]

Always the same old problem : Our Midfield

We need a real MC that balance quality in attack and defense

Matic was lost his form completely.

Passing ,Holding ,Tacking ,Positioning ,Make a wise foul

One big thing that i miss from him was make a wise foul that break opponent counter attack

Last season he always brilliant in this part but this season from his lack of pace

His tackle also poor, can't even pump for the ball or even a good foul.

Hope we get new 2-3 MC that balance the game like ballack.

For him, he was far behind his last season like others.

This Chelsea squads was like full completely to success. Just 1 decent season theirs desire to be a champ was gone.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Yes, you can say that CMs are the midfield in system like 442/4411/352, but not in the 4231....

Yes, our problem is in midfield, and no Fabregas and Matic are not the midfield. They are maybe 50% responsible, but in the system we play the AMs should be helping solidify the middle and they haven't been able to do that.

You can go even further and say that our old school defenders also aren't able to help the midfield and remain quite isolated - at least in comparison to sides that go for total football (barca and bayern).

[Fernando 6,585]

I thought he was much better when Mikel was on as he bombed forward more.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,076]

I'm sorry, I can't hold it in anymore, and this is in no way about the penalty today to but his performances since the start of the year: This guy is criminally overrated and for some reason always manages to avoid criticism and get afforded all the excuses in the world.

He had an excellent four month period at the start of last season but calling him the best defensive midfielder in Europe is akin to Liverpool fans labeling Joe Allen as one of the best midfielders in the world!

He is avoiding criticism for many reasons :

• as Oscar, he put a 'brilliant' performance in one of his very first game here and thus he is still living of that game against City ;
• 'he' (it is rather the fans) built his myth during his first four months here where the fact he could not play every games was hiding his limitations and his lack of consistency ;
• (If my counts are correct) Out of 14 games he played in the league during these four months, he was paired six times with Ramires, thrice with Ramires and once with Mikel. All that within an ultra-defensive team, it is not hard to look like a 'defensive beast' ;
• He has very long legs so yeah when he puts a challenge that is impressive (i.e. the 'spider') ;
• Chelsea fans love their 'beast players' — Essien and Costa being good examples. His 'beast' performance against Manchester did allow Chelsea fans to believe, in a time where there were no longer 'beasts' (Luiz could have, though he was already frustrating everybody), that there was finally someone to pursue the 'beast' legacy of Essien, Ballack, etc..

In a nutshell, Chelsea fans needed to have their 'beast' ; Matic did a 'beast' performance ; Matic has a 'beast' nick-name, i.e the spider... It was a match made in heaven, and that is how Matic became our very own 'Beast'. And because he is our very own 'Beast', he cannot do wrong.

I'm afraid you are both right. When Nemanja left for Benifica I was neither surprised nor disappointed but when he returned I was seduced by those four months into believing, along with many, that he was actually a really good player. For more than a year however he has been demonstrating that he isn't and that those of us who bought the idea that he was the genuine article were simply wrong.