No.10 Role

[TrippingStep 336]

Oscar for me is an 8. I liked the way he played with the olympic team, simple plays, link-up between the wingers, fullbacks, striker and making sure the ball was moving well in the team.

Since he's at Chelsea, he tries to force things much more, making more indivual efforts. For me he would be better in a team that controls the ball better in possession, moves the ball quicker and would score even more I think by simply making intelligent late runs in the box.

He would always on the move but with less violent efforts, as long runs at full speed or near that is what is the more taxing for the body and what is making a player tired more quickly.

On the last match, he seemed tired.

[The Happy One 18]

the debate is futile, jose gets to decide whats best for the team and most likely they'll interchange positions during matches

good thing we have both players with different profiles for the same position not many teams have it

[CHOULO19 24,332]

the debate is futile, jose gets to decide whats best for the team and most likely they'll interchange positions during matches

good thing we have both players with different profiles for the same position not many teams have it

Of course it is, this a football forum, all debates are futile, none of what anyone says here will ever effect what the club actually does. That kinda goes without saying...

[The Happy One 18]

Of course it is, this a football forum, all debates are futile, none of what anyone says here will ever effect what the club actually does. That kinda goes without saying...

the way people are discussing it is childish bc it seems like there's a war when they both belong to us

yeah, a forum is supposed to have debates, but some of them are stupid... the way you see people posting here is like some of them take pleasure when oscar or mata play poorly and prove their position right that the other is better... it's a little odd to read it as both belong to us and jose will use both wisely and for most season I say.

had made myself clear now?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

the way people are discussing it is childish bc it seems like there's a war when they both belong to us

yeah, a forum is supposed to have debates, but some of them are stupid... the way you see people posting here is like some of them take pleasure when oscar or mata play poorly and prove their position right that the other is better... it's a little odd to read it as both belong to us and jose will use both wisely and for most season I say.

had made myself clear now?

I agree. But that's not reason to stop the debate, nor is it what makes it futile. It's the internet, you'll always have someone who cares more about being proven right than anything else in the world, you just have to ignore it if it annoys you.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Oscar is not a n.10. He can easily play alongside Mata, imo he can do better what Mourinho expect Schurlle to do.

[bushman 2,043]

It´s great to see Chelsea having such good two players. However, Mata should be No 10. There is debate on it.

[meetdoscar 335]

Mata is the better creator and the better attacker, Oscar is the better midfielder. Both can be useful. Against teams like Bayern or Barcelona where we will be in our own half most times, Oscar is much more useful. But against smaller teams that we dominate, Mata should be our no.10.

Exactly, mata is our most creative player but that doesn't mean he should play No.10 because, No. 10 is a creative role but also a midfield role but as a forward on the wing mata has no midfield duty which is where he should play for his qualities and where mou wants him to play.

[bushman 2,043]

Since Mata is Chelsea´s the most creative player, it means he is No 10.

Even the poll indicates 2 to 1in favor of Mata.

[meetdoscar 335]

I know Oscar is your preferred No.10 and that you have provided reasons for it, which are not wrong but judging by your posts in this thread today, seems that you suddenly feel insecure that suddenly Mata did more, as a No.10, than your Oscar yesterday....

Insecure... He isn't my girlfriend you know. If my points are valid it is only because they are true. My eye is even more open now to what mourinho has seen and it seems quite laughable really. For example if mata plays no. 10 in midfield and oscar seats on the bench then who will win balls if runners and ball winners like oscar don't play. That will leave ramires as the only ball winner from midfield to attack. Mata is slight, Mikel is slow and has to remain deep to be effective, lampard is old, same with essien, willian is not yet up to speed, schurrle is mostly only aggressive and that's it we cannot win a league that way our defense will be battered by the smallest of teams except we play with a low block constantly like benitez did.

[meetdoscar 335]

It´s great to see Chelsea having such good two players. However, Mata should be No 10. There is debate on it.

Why debate when mourinho has chosen oscar as his preferred no. 10. If mourinho had chosen mata i know i wouldn't debate just like benitez chose mata as no. 10 and there was no debate. Similarly RDM chose oscar as his no. 10 and back then we played our best football there was also no debate and mata was still the most important player. I think the debate rather arises from the point of view that mourinho trusts oscar as one of his favourite players and this brings insecurity to mata who has been the favourite and most important for two seasons now. But change is only constant isn't it before juan mata there was once florent malouda...lol...but we actually won the league with malouda as our best player.

[didierforever 7,349]

Its a tough decision, they both offer aspects to the game that we love and both are such great guys too. I voted Oscar in the 10 role because I find he moves a bit quicker than Mata and he closes down players quicker which puts them under pressure from the start. I just hope we find a way to play them both.

Maybe a 4141 formation?

Cech

Ivonovic Terry Luiz Cole

Mikel / Ramires

Willian Oscar Mata Hazard

Torres / Eto

Just a thought.

on paper it looks good but i think we will get over run in the mid. mikel/ramires are not good enough DMs to provide that type of cover to our defence individually. i mean even pep tried this at bayern and bastian struggled playing in that lone DM role. i feel this would leave us too exposed.

[bushman 2,043]

Why debate when mourinho has chosen oscar as his preferred no. 10. If mourinho had chosen mata i know i wouldn't debate just like benitez chose mata as no. 10 and there was no debate. Similarly RDM chose oscar as his no. 10 and back then we played our best football there was also no debate and mata was still the most important player. I think the debate rather arises from the point of view that mourinho trusts oscar as one of his favourite players and this brings insecurity to mata who has been the favourite and most important for two seasons now. But change is only constant isn't it before juan mata there was once florent malouda...lol...but we actually won the league with malouda as our best player.

Jose changed his mind, lately. Have you not noticed it ?

Mata will be his No 10 tomorrow, as according to his latest announcement. Sometimes, even Jose can be wrong.

[meetdoscar 335]

Since Mata is Chelsea´s the most creative player, it means he is No 10.

Even the poll indicates 2 to 1in favor of Mata.

And who says no. 10 should be the most creative players? Oscar is more influential to the team as a midfielder.

[Drogzola 283]

on paper it looks good but i think we will get over run in the mid. mikel/ramires are not good enough DMs to provide that type of cover to our defence individually. i mean even pep tried this at bayern and bastian struggled playing in that lone DM role. i feel this would leave us too exposed.

I did think of that at first but with this formation and Oscars work rate it could possibly work. Oscar would be required to play slightly deeper.

[bushman 2,043]

And who says no. 10 should be the most creative players? Oscar is more influential to the team as a midfielder.

I would say, Mata is better, more creative, exactly what the team needs at the moment, as seen against the Spurs.

[meetdoscar 335]

Jose changed his mind, lately. Have you not noticed it ?

Mata will be his No 10 tomorrow, as according to his latest announcement. Sometimes, even Jose can be wrong.

Well then if true i hope he drops oscar so we will see how good mata is without players who work so hard defensively for him to shine but then again i don't believe oscar will be dropped because oscar has been our best player in champions league and has earned a starting spot too. Mata for me has looked almost average in champions league football since last season.

[bushman 2,043]

Well then if true i hope he drops oscar so we will see how good mata is without players who work so hard defensively for him to shine but then again i don't believe oscar will be dropped because oscar has been our best player in champions league and has earned a starting spot too. Mata for me has looked almost average in champions league football since last season.

Mata is an offensive player who creates chances & other players may convert. That´s what the team needs.

Stay tuned for tomorrow´s game. You will see what this little man is all about. The best player on Chelsea´s team two years running.

[meetdoscar 335]

I would say, Mata is better, more creative, exactly what the team needs at the moment, as seen against the Spurs.

I can also say removing ramires from the wing was a positive tactic from mou that changed the entire approach of the team and as lampard said all the other players stepped up also so it wasn't really down to mata as people fantasize even schurrle made the team better as he replaced hazard (up until the red card) but that goes unnoticed. But then in chelsea every good play is mata and the bad ones luiz and/or mikel.

[bushman 2,043]

I can also say removing ramires from the wing was a positive tactic from mou that changed the entire approach of the team and as lampard said all the other players stepped up also so it wasn't really down to mata as people fantasize even schurrle made the team better as he replaced hazard (up until the red card) but that goes unnoticed. But then in chelsea every good play is mata and the bad ones luiz and/or mikel.

By introducing Mata the whole set up had changed. Finally, Jose made the right decision.