The Chels 2,502 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Now Willian's decision making problem is of a different nature imo and I feel bad for saying it so bluntly, but he's just not a clever person (or player as I don't know him personally, but judging by his interviews even in portuguese you can say he's far from the brightest kid in the class, very far). If the guy doesn't think, he doesn't execute, simple.Rooney, like many footballers, is the same. In interviews you can tell he's not the sharpest tool in the shed but he does have a 'footballing brain' so I'd say general intelligence and footballing intelligence are very different. I don't know if Willian lacks the footballing brain or if he's just not confident enough to take the riskier option (be it a through ball, shot, etc.). - Willian stats have suffered because of his dedication to the team - something Hazard gets away with because he's Hazard.His statistics have been poor throughout his career though. Edited August 6, 2014 by LeChels_ Barbara, The Mak and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I agree the problem is his decision making,but that's not the main mistake he does imo. Comparatively, Hazard makes that mistake you mentioned much more than Willian does, especially when he isn't playing his best yet yet. Last season I was pulling my hair when Hazard was dribbling everybody and their mother in OUR half. That's not where you do that, and many times he lost possession in the second third, offering a counter to opposition. Then he started playing better and that was much less noticeable and prominent. And we don't need to say for the 3495874th time that Eden has bad decision making about shooting on the goal. He just doesn't do it as much as he should.Now Willian's decision making problem is of a different nature imo and I feel bad for saying it so bluntly, but he's just not a clever person (or player as I don't know him personally, but judging by his interviews even in portuguese you can say he's far from the brightest kid in the class, very far). If the guy doesn't think, he doesn't execute, simple. Also he lacks some directness. He's all flair and technique and that's cute and dandy and it makes vids such as the one on the previous page mouthwatering. But he rarely does something out of it. He dribbles, he has such a class touching the ball, flawless ball control and first touch, but as he isn't direct or clever, well, the result is what we see.Said all that, I think he will improve this season simply because one more season makes a lot of difference for players coming from a different league to the EPL. The first season can be tough, but normally the second is when they settle and grow. That's likely to be the case with him, but I wouldn't hold too high expectations because of those two limitations I've mentioned. While Mou can help him directness (someone like Cesc too), the cleverness part is there for good imo.exactly like i said before willian looks so good when play so hard working run here and there but on papers u will find him with poor end products 4 goals and 6 assist in 46 matches...u look to the video u feel he should be the team scorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Rooney is the same in interviews but he has a footballing brain, so I'd say general intelligence and footballing intelligence are very different. I don't know if Willian lacks a footballing brain or if he's just not confident enough to play the 'riskier' ball.absolutely which is why I mentioned multiple intelligences in the second post. I think Willian's main problem is not thinking per say. He may even be able to think smart things, but it seems he doesn't take the time to actually think deeper about it, you know? I don't know how to describe, but he seems to struggle to get things deeper and so when he does the most difficult (because he has the most difficult imo - but than again that based in my own set of intelligences, I'm terrible with motor coordination and manual things in general, I can barely draw a stick person) he doesn't deliver it because it feels like he didn't think through everything he was going to do. I don't know, I'm struggling to find the words in English (HA!) - I feel like he goes through the first stages of thinking what he's going to do, but he doesn't think the whole thing through and then he does the first thing that crosses his mind or acts on instinct (which can be good, if one has good instincts). The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oman43 45 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 His statistics have been poor throughout his career though. Yes, because of his playing style. The point being is that there is potential for change in the balance of his work rate if the team organisation allows for it. Its simple, if he is in the opposition half more and not tracking back with such dedication , then his stats would be better. I appreciate his tracking back last season was required but hopefully season it will be required less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 absolutely which is why I mentioned multiple intelligences in the second post. I think Willian's main problem is not thinking per say. He may even be able to think smart things, but it seems he doesn't take the time to actually think deeper about it, you know? I don't know how to describe, but he seems to struggle to get things deeper and so when he does the most difficult (because he has the most difficult imo - but than again that based in my own set of intelligences, I'm terrible with motor coordination and manual things in general, I can barely draw a stick person) he doesn't deliver it because it feels like he didn't think through everything he was going to do. I don't know, I'm struggling to find the words in English (HA!) - I feel like he goes through the first stages of thinking what he's going to do, but he doesn't think the whole thing through and then he does the first thing that crosses his mind or acts on instinct (which can be good, if one has good instincts).How about 'he's not a deep thinker'? Yes, because of his playing style. The point being is that there is potential for change in the balance of his work rate if the team organisation allows for it. Its simple, if he is in the opposition half more and not tracking back with such dedication , then his stats would be better. I appreciate his tracking back last season was required but hopefully season it will be required less. If he couldn't get decent stats in Ukranian and Russian leagues (tracking back or not) then I doubt he'll get them here. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oman43 45 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 If he couldn't get decent stats in Ukranian and Russian leagues (tracking back or not) then I doubt he'll get them here. Good job we have Costa and Hazard then. You can look too much into stats. Hes still 25 and also the BPL is so different to them leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Rooney, like many footballers, is the same. In interviews you can tell he's not the sharpest tool in the shed but he does have a 'footballing brain' so I'd say general intelligence and footballing intelligence are very different. I don't know if Willian lacks the footballing brain or if he's just not confident enough to take the riskier option (be it a through ball, shot, etc.). Suarez is another. Brilliant, brilliant footballing mind, but he wasn't educated. The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Good job we have Costa and Hazard then. You can look too much into stats. Hes still 25 and also the BPL is so different to them leagues. The stats back up what we've seen though: his decision making (for whatever reason) is really poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Lol, people are calling Willian, Rooney, and Suarez stupid:ph34r:. That's mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Lol, people are calling Willian, Rooney, and Suarez stupid:ph34r:. That's mean.that's the thing, I'm not even sure if he's what I'd label stupid. He seems a shallow thinker. Those people don't articulate their thoughts and don't fulfill their potential (in thinking). IF - big IF - that's the case it doesn't mean he's stupid, just that as he doesn't think things through he comes off as shallow. It shows in his interviews and football wise you think that he's been interrupted - by himself - and doesn't conclude the brilliant things he starts.Or maybe he's just stupid indeed. We don't know. He made in a few years of football career more money that I'll do in my whole life and a couple more of them if I had them. So stupid or not, clever or not, bright or not, deep thinker or not, he's rich I'm not iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1980 1,425 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Yes, because of his playing style. The point being is that there is potential for change in the balance of his work rate if the team organisation allows for it. Its simple, if he is in the opposition half more and not tracking back with such dedication , then his stats would be better. I appreciate his tracking back last season was required but hopefully season it will be required less. Not a chance. If anything, his work rate and tracking back will be required more this season if he plays on RW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Not a chance. If anything, his work rate and tracking back will be required more this season if he plays on RW. Yupp, if Azpi and Luis bomb forward, probably. I'm soooo excited!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1980 1,425 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Yupp, if Azpi and Luis bomb forward, probably....and track back to help out Cesc when he plays in the pivot. He'll play on the right side.So I'm sure Willian's work rate will be really appreciated by Jose this season. iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 that's the thing, I'm not even sure if he's what I'd label stupid. He seems a shallow thinker. Those people don't articulate their thoughts and don't fulfill their potential (in thinking). IF - big IF - that's the case it doesn't mean he's stupid, just that as he doesn't think things through he comes off as shallow. It shows in his interviews and football wise you think that he's been interrupted - by himself - and doesn't conclude the brilliant things he starts.Or maybe he's just stupid indeed. We don't know. He made in a few years of football career more money that I'll do in my whole life and a couple more of them if I had them. So stupid or not, clever or not, bright or not, deep thinker or not, he's rich I'm not haha did u c zouma interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 haha did u c zouma interview?nope The Skipper and Ainsley Harriott 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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