Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 yeah, we seem to be willing to ship away one of our potential good young players because a guy wants a passport.I didn't know we became a charity institution. I mean, if it doesn't come as a sacrifice for the club, okay, keep Mikel there so he can get his English passport, but now we're sacrificing a young talent because of a damn passport? They play the same position, Mikel wasn't that much used last season, with Cesc in the team, Ramires could be a direct substitute to Matic as well. The obvious player to leave in the midfield - for loan or offloaded - was Mikel but it seems we won't make it because of a passport...Wouldn't a passport also mean he could be listed as HG player? IMO that would not be charity but benefit our club. Maybe Mikel is not a real rotation option, cos he limits our play, but in certain situations he can be a tactically important option, like protecting a lead but also calm down the play and he is still good enough to play the lower sides.Tho given his limitedness, it is important we keep MvG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Wouldn't a passport also mean he could be listed as HG player? IMO that would not be charity but benefit our club. Nope, nationality is irrelevant under HG rules; all that matters is whether the player was registered with the English/Welsh FA for 3 years or 36 months before the age of 21. Mikel joined when he was 19. Barbara and The only place to be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5354 204 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 He needs to go out on loan though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Karel Jansen told Algemeen Daglad: "We are in talks with Chelsea. Of course Marco wants to battle for his chances, but there must be a sort of perspective. Monday evening wasn't that pretty to see. We are now waiting for an answer on Chelsea and their vision."But Jansen admitted that he does not think van Ginkel would return to his homeland and said: "Would the Eredivisie be an option? I don't think so personally, mainly as he has already played a part at a club of such a level." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Thats the end of his Chelsea career, we all know how the process goes once you go out on loan u never truly come back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! DavidEU 2,023 Posted August 26, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted August 26, 2014 Thats the end of his Chelsea career, we all know how the process goes once you go out on loan u never truly come back Maybe Courtois will start a trend. If they're good enough, they'll make it. TheIceMan, jeronimo, Barbara and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Thats the end of his Chelsea career, we all know how the process goes once you go out on loan u never truly come back nah I am sure he will be our replacement for Mikel. TheIceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I don't have much idea about the non HG quota system but maybe Cech's decision to stay at the club has forced Jose to send Marco out on loan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 not only MVG leaving on loan...same thing looks going happen with salah and there is secret offers from aston villa and sunderland to take him for 1 year on loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 As long as Milan also take Torres off our hands I'm willing to accept a loan for MvG, otherwise they can fuck right off. xPetrCechx, Dion and Barbara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 not only MVG leaving on loan...same thing looks going happen with salah and there is secret offers from aston villa and sunderland to take him for 1 year on loanHow do you know about them, then? TheIceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 How do you know about them, then? because iam deep looking about salah news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 because iam deep looking about salah news and why would we loan salah after loaning out moses?we have only 4 AMs in case salah is loaned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 His injury last year was so unfortunate, he would have got enough games/been able to develop and would perhaps have more of a role here. That injury was such a setback for the kid, real shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alee. 182 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 From Transfer CentralMilan CEO: “Van Ginkel? We are confident. We have made our proposal to Chelsea and are now waiting on an answer. We hope we can get him.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 and why would we loan salah after loaning out moses?we have only 4 AMs in case salah is loaned. well ramires can play as winger beside willian,hazard,schurrle with oscar and fabregas ,u got matic and mikel as CB too ...guess cheslea dont have problem with loaning salah and u can c that he wasnt even in the squad list last 2 matches which means there is enough subs for am on bench without salah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 well ramires can play as winger beside willian,hazard,schurrle with oscar and fabregas ,u got matic and mikel as CB too ...guess cheslea dont have problem with loaning salah and u can c that he wasnt even in the squad list last 2 matches which means there is enough subs for am on bench without salahthere are going to be 60 matches in the season. u need atleast 2 players for a position. we play a 5 man mid and will have willian, oscar, hazard, schurrle, cesc, mikel, rambo, matic as our only options. do u remember last season when we had CL obligations. salah started every PL match. that is what fixture congestion can do.and its been 2 matches man... only 2 matches. azpi dint play for the first 6/7.. and he was then one of our players of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 In theory, if Torres leaves, Marco can stay. There are two problems though: 1) Milan might make Marco's loan a condition 2) Marco himself may want to leave so he'll continue his development.I'm very pro Marco continuing his development, I just think that if we offloaded Torres, we could afford to keep both Mikel and Marco in the team, and instead of giving Mikel minutes, Mourinho would be giving Marco - some in the big competitions, and definitely full matches in the domestic cups, that until Mikel actually gets his passport and then leaves for good. But that's me... Mourinho seems to think Mikel is more useful than Marco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 well ramires can play as winger beside willian,hazard,schurrle with oscar and fabregas ,u got matic and mikel as CB too ...guess cheslea dont have problem with loaning salah and u can c that he wasnt even in the squad list last 2 matches which means there is enough subs for am on bench without salahIn case MvG is going we’ll have Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Schürrle, Salah, Fabregas, Matic, Ramires and Mikel in midfield. That’s nine players, at least five of whom will be required on the pitch at any given time and in every game there will be at least one or two substitutions for the midfield department. Loaning out Salah would leave us with just 8 players for five positions which is nowhere near enough depth for a team that plays around 50-60 games a season and we’d be a couple of injuries or suspensions away from having no midfield substitutes on the bench at all.I get it that you as an Egyptian want to see your lad play and wouldn't mind a move but from Chelsea's point of view that would pretty much ruin the whole transfer window which has been brilliant so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 In theory, if Torres leaves, Marco can stay. There are two problems though: 1) Milan might make Marco's loan a condition 2) Marco himself may want to leave so he'll continue his development.I'm very pro Marco continuing his development, I just think that if we offloaded Torres, we could afford to keep both Mikel and Marco in the team, and instead of giving Mikel minutes, Mourinho would be giving Marco - some in the big competitions, and definitely full matches in the domestic cups, that until Mikel actually gets his passport and then leaves for good. But that's me... Mourinho seems to think Mikel is more useful than Marco.Jose said it clear he wont get rid of torres if he couldnt get another 3rd striker.. u cant use 2 strikers only one of them actually should retire to save his legacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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