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I wasn't arguing about taste. Your favourite player could be the worst tennis player in the world for all I care. It's just that I got the impression the three of you were saying Nadal was better than Federer. One said Nadal > Federer, which speaks by itself. I was under the impression blue-in-me-veins implied the same, even though he used favourite player somewhere. You said Nadal owns Federer, I have understood that as if he was the better player which I don't think it is true. If you were talking about their head-ons, when facing each other, then it is all right. It is objectively true.

So, let's see. I think it is general consensus that a tennis player peak is around age 23-25. For Federer that was 2004-2006 or something like that. After that age most tennis players start getting slower and declining on performances. What I'm trying to say is that when Nadal started playing some top-notch tennis, Federer was already beginning to decline. And don't get me wrong, I think Nadal is a hell of a player - and when two players of this magnitude collide, even the smallest of details can destroy the balance. The fact that Nadal's playstyle is hard for Federer to cope with and that the latter was outclassed physically for pretty much their whole rivalry sure have had some influence in their matches. I guess if Nadal didn't have some knee injuries he would have destroyed Federer even more. I'll give it to Nadal that I thought he would have declined a whole lot more by now due to his reliance on the physical side of the game, however he has proved he's truly one of the greatest players ever. But overall I think Federer was better, he was amazing in pretty much every court and against pretty much everyone except Nadal. His stats are overall better.

Euhm... I don't agree with the comparison to Spain/Barcelona, first because I think that is related more to tactics than skill. Second because comparing the playstyle of a whole team, a whole organism of people vs. a single person playing another sport is going a bit too far and what makes it boring is it deprives the opposing team from playing, which can't be replicated in any tennis match. The rest lies in matter of taste, I suppose. I, for one, had more jaw-dropping moments watching Federer playing than Nadal. I also feel Federer was somewhat more ambitious in his plays, he would try doing something different or unexpected more often than Nadal, and that's what I expect from a genius.

I choose to lead a very simple life, Dion. So that's how it works for me sports wise, the most exciting the best and then I see quality/execution/result. I don't agree about team/individual tactics are that different (tennis is a much more tactical sport than football will ever be). And age and tennis peak has no relation whatsoever. I could name a handful players who peaked earlier or after what you consider their best, some of which who retired before they were ever 25.

So to keep it simple: I prefer what causes me more thrilling emotions. That is Nadal, that is Bayern (unfortunately, I hate them with the same passion I hate Barcelona, Milan and ManUtd). Federer can produce some of the most beautiful shots ever, I agree, but his matches will never be as thrilling as Rafa's because he's mechanically executing the shots he perfected better than no one and in a few times a match he does something worth of a genius in the sports. Still far from thrilling matches.

We disagree. I agree about that.

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Sorry for going off-topic here, but where have you been, dude? I've missed you.

I've been around, lurking a lot. Haven't had much time for TC lately, to be honest. You can message me on the Facebooks whenever you want, you know!?

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I choose to lead a very simple life, Dion. So that's how it works for me sports wise, the most exciting the best and then I see quality/execution/result. I don't agree about team/individual tactics are that different (tennis is a much more tactical sport than football will ever be). And age and tennis peak has no relation whatsoever. I could name a handful players who peaked earlier or after what you consider their best, some of which who retired before they were ever 25.

So to keep it simple: I prefer what causes me more thrilling emotions. That is Nadal, that is Bayern (unfortunately, I hate them with the same passion I hate Barcelona, Milan and ManUtd). Federer can produce some of the most beautiful shots ever, I agree, but his matches will never be as thrilling as Rafa's because he's mechanically executing the shots he perfected better than no one and in a few times a match he does something worth of a genius in the sports. Still far from thrilling matches.

We disagree. I agree about that.

Well, like I said, matter of taste. But trying to further explain my point - what I disagreed about the Barcelona comparison is that I just feel tiki-taka is more about how every player interacts with each other (the passing, movement and pressing to recover possession), while comparing two tennis players is more about who is the most skilled or most complete player in a general sense (not only one against another).

The other point - peak ages can vary between players for both physical and mental reasons, so it's really hard to assess that, I agree. But I believe tennis relies greatly on physicality, more so than in most other sports. And that's the reason why tennis players usually peak a lot younger than in other sports and that's why when they decline, they usually decline HARD. Also the peak age for muscular/physical purposes is usually around 24-25. But yes, it would be really hard to measure how much Nadal would lose in mentality due to being young vs. how much Federer would lose in muscles for being older, so agree to disagree :P

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I think Azpilicueta was our most consistent and best defensive player over the past season, even counting Luiz (when also factoring in the first part of the season).

His defending was always excellent, in my opinion he never went missing in games (at least he only did very rarely, when he was EXTREMELY overplayed) and he was probably our best player at connecting the defense with the offense, which our CM struggled to do all season.

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Mata being awesome in the hole has halted the progress of Oscar.

That's not unpopular

It's not? O.o ok then, good to know :/

but I'll go further and maybe that's what wj818 meant in the first place (or not).

As Mata halts Oscar's progress, Mourinho should favor Oscar over Mata in the formation (and even occasionally in the starting XI) as they both play better in the CAM position

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