Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire

[zolayes 14,489]

Nothing bit bitterness I read here.

Money makes the world around & football is part of it.

the correct phrase is money makes the world GO round ,,,You should know that as you seem to worship it

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Of course if you're giving him the 'blame' for sending Lukaku out on loan, do you give him no credit for the succes of that loan

He was let go when we needed to keep him

you blame him for letting Kalou leave (is that a bad thing?)

Would much rather have King K than Torres right now.

What about the signing of Ba?

Panic buy after bad negotiations for real targets

the amazingly successful loans of Courtois, De Bruyne, Chalobah and a few others one could mention?

Amazingly successful ? Youre having a bubble. We should have 2 players for every outfield position and 3 keepers. We have Turnbull as No 2. If Courtois was in the squad it would keep Cech on his toes who at the moment all he has to do is turn up to be selected. We will now probably lose Courtois to Barca as they want him to replace Valdes.

Apart from lukakuu and Courtouis, De Buyne and Bruma should never have been loaned out and will more than likely in the Chelsea tradition be sold off.

All in all the club has 23 players out on loan and the Fat Ringmaster has said the ''squad isnt strong enough''. No the loan system is not ''amazingly succesful'' -it is the mentality of Emenalo or [insert fuckwit board member here] taking items to Cash Converters or a pawn shop

[bushman 2,043]

the correct phrase is money makes the world GO round ,,,You should know that as you seem to worship it

Perhaps, you should be concerned about who are the idiots that run Chelsea ?

I mean, to airbrush Di M out of the picture is not a very nice way to show some gratitude for Di M, is it ?

[zolayes 14,489]

Perhaps, you should be concerned about who are the idiots that run Chelsea ?

I mean, to airbrush Di M out of the picture is not a very nice way to show some gratitude for Di M, is it ?

The Russians have long airbrushed history ...Roman is only following Stalin

[bushman 2,043]

The Russians have long airbrushed history ...Roman is only following Stalin

an old view by you ?

[The only place to be 11,313]

He was let go when we needed to keep him

Would much rather have King K than Torres right now.

Panic buy after bad negotiations for real targets

Amazingly successful ? Youre having a bubble. We should have 2 players for every outfield position and 3 keepers. We have Turnbull as No 2. If Courtois was in the squad it would keep Cech on his toes who at the moment all he has to do is turn up to be selected. We will now probably lose Courtois to Barca as they want him to replace Valdes.

Apart from lukakuu and Courtouis, De Buyne and Bruma should never have been loaned out and will more than likely in the Chelsea tradition be sold off.

All in all the club has 23 players out on loan and the Fat Ringmaster has said the ''squad isnt strong enough''. No the loan system is not ''amazingly succesful'' -it is the mentality of Emenalo or [insert fuckwit board member here] taking items to Cash Converters or a pawn shop

M view on the loans is that it was us playing catch-up after years of mismanaging young players. We simply haven't brought through the young players we need to supplement or replace the first-teamers. Now we're trying to get this group of 18-22 year olds up to speed and experienced enough to play a part at this club.

You say Lukaku was needed, but if you actually look at his thread on this forum then you'll see people saying he wasn't ready, that the loan was needed and even some members saying he was already a busted flush. That's what I mean by misremembering history, because it really doesn't service this discussion. He was wasted last year because AVB said he had a role for him in the squad (same goes for Josh). This year he's become the heir to Drogba.

Does he become that without this loan? I don't know.

Again, the 23 loans issue was something Bushman brought up and I think you're both being unfair. Besides Essien (who has had a bad injury record and poor form for about FOUR YEARS) there aren't many people who you would have said could have contributed before the start of the season. Now we're realistically talking about at least half-a-dozen contributing to the first-team squad next season. Is that not successful?

I can't believe you're criticising the Courtois loan though. We bought a young Belgian keeper with potential. We now have a Europa League and Super Cup winning keeper who is arguably the best young keeper in Europe. Next year he might even have Champions League experience if he stays there and even if we sold him we'd make at least THREE TIMES what we paid for him. You're right about us missing him against Brentford though.

I think this sums up the debate though. You're criticising him for something short-term when I'm praising him for what might be major long-term benefits. I'd really advise you look at the Lukaku thread from around July to August of last year because I don't think you realise just what the feeling was around him then. Compare it to now and see if that loan was good.

[bushman 2,043]

Personally, I believe Emenalo had done an admirable job in scouting & recommended many young talented players.

As the director of football, he is a failure. The job is just out of his depth, in my view.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Now we're realistically talking about at least half-a-dozen contributing to the first-team squad next season. Is that not successful?

Not until it actually happens. There is nothing to suggest the players will be brought back. From previous history they will be sold off like all the other products from Cobham Farm, and the club will seek out Waitrose eggs.

It doesnt matter if we get three times what we paid for Courtois, I would rather have the club successful than flog off talent to contribute to Gourlays bonus.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Not until it actually happens. There is nothing to suggest the players will be brought back. From previous history they will be sold off like all the other products from Cobham Farm, and the club will seek out Waitrose eggs.

It doesnt matter if we get three times what we paid for Courtois, I would rather have the club successful than flog off talent to contribute to Gourlays bonus.

And if it doesn't happen then I would have to re-assess my views on the job that's being done. But you've gone from talking about what has happened to what might happen - I agree that right now it's probably to soon to properly assess the job Emenalo is doing but based on what he's working towards I don't think it's right to call for him to be sacked.

[bushman 2,043]

Well said. To sell Courtois & get more money than what the club paid for is not the right way to go.

Keep the players but give them a proper chance to play for Chelsea.

Roman does not need money, he has plenty.

The club must utilize those young talented players soon.

[Changingman_2000 876]

Lukaku should have been kept this season. Ba has been another Chelsea mistake and won't be around long. Makes me laugh, all the fans that were purring when we signed him. No more than a Ben Haim, Kezman type of signing. Was never, ever going to good enough, long term for us.

The load policy is flawed, in my opinion. All our eggs in one basket this season with Torres, who is sadly shot, a spent force. And Roman really should have learned his lesson after Shevchenko.

[bushman 2,043]

To loan Lukaku from the start of this season was the right choice. It would have been useless for him to sit on the bench.

However, in January I would have recalled him to play for Chelsea. Well, it did not happen.

As for BA. It was a good deal, an urgent one to replace Sturridge. Will he stay for long ? Only time will tell. I´d like to see him stay but another striker must be added. Lukaku is my choice.

[Changingman_2000 876]

Patrick Barclay just been on talkSPORT, opinionated that the Benitez appointment was a serious blunder by the club. Jason Cundy last night said that the appointment was flawed from day one. We buy all these wonderful attacking players - then appoint a very, very pragmatic manager. In short, we have been absolute pony since this cunt arrived.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Lukaku should have been kept this season. Ba has been another Chelsea mistake and won't be around long. Makes me laugh, all the fans that were purring when we signed him. No more than a Ben Haim, Kezman type of signing. Was never, ever going to good enough, long term for us.

The load policy is flawed, in my opinion. All our eggs in one basket this season with Torres, who is sadly shot, a spent force. And Roman really should have learned his lesson after Shevchenko.

I want Lukaku back, but I want this Lukaku not the one we had 6 months ago. The problem is I don't know if he's the same guy without his loan to West Brom. Look at the thread before his loan - people were moaning about his touch, his technique and whether he would be a bust.

Now look at what people are saying about him. This was a good move by the club after the disastrous handling of him by AVB.

As for Ba, he's been good for us but suffers from the same problem the rest of the team does - the midfield. They don't effectively move the ball forward so he's either isolated or chasing long or high balls. That's the one area where the board can certainly take some criticism because we simply don't have a playmaker in the double pivot (sorry Frank).

[bushman 2,043]

Well said. Frankie might be a legend but most of the times he has problems of moving the ball forward.