Demba Ba

[Damo810 5]

Hes barely a declining player, what gives any sign hes a declining player?

He just needs to be used in his proper position, same with Zlatan at Barca. Zlatan left and flourished because he was played in his proper position, would be the same with Villa. To say Villa's a declining player because he suffered a leg break is a ridiculous thing to say.

What usually a sign a players in decline? Hmm age? he's 31, older than Torres. He'd want what, a 2 or 3 year deal with a tidy wage packet? He's still not scoring like he used to either. The above stats show that clearly. Zlatan hardly just went and Flourished elsewhere either, he scored plenty at Barca, 16 in 23 according to ESPN. That completely outweighs Villa's 17 in 44 don't you think?

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

What usually a sign a players in decline? Hmm age? he's 31, older than Torres. He'd want what, a 2 or 3 year deal with a tidy wage packet? He's still not scoring like he used to either. The above stats show that clearly. Zlatan hardly just went and Flourished elsewhere either, he scored plenty at Barca, 16 in 23 according to ESPN. That completely outweighs Villa's 17 in 44 don't you think?

Well Villa scored 17 Barcelona goals quicker than Torres scored 17 Chelsea goals didn't he? Villas record at Barca is still decent. Look at his Spain record though, top goalscorer in their history, if that doesn't shout "quality" at you then fuck knows what does!

Villas hardly declining with age, his game was never about pace. Was always about clever movement and being clinical in front of goal. Always will be, he could play at a top level unto hes 36-37 because hes similar to Del Piero in the way that his game was never about speed. Thinking Villa's declining because hes getting old is ridiculous. Does that mean Lampard and Cole have declined? Maybe Lampards not the 20 goal a season MF but hes still good. Coles not as young but still the best or second best LB in the world. Age is just a number.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Well Villa scored 17 Barcelona goals quicker than Torres scored 17 Chelsea goals didn't he? Villas record at Barca is still decent. Look at his Spain record though, top goalscorer in their history, if that doesn't shout "quality" at you then fuck knows what does!

Villas hardly declining with age, his game was never about pace. Was always about clever movement and being clinical in front of goal. Always will be, he could play at a top level unto hes 36-37 because hes similar to Del Piero in the way that his game was never about speed. Thinking Villa's declining because hes getting old is ridiculous. Does that mean Lampard and Cole have declined? Maybe Lampards not the 20 goal a season MF but hes still good. Coles not as young but still the best or second best LB in the world. Age is just a number.

Both Lampard and Cole have declined significantly..

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

Both Lampard and Cole have declined significantly..

But they still have a lot to offer, Cole is still imo the finest LB in the PL and possibly the world. Lampard would make a good rotation player despite being 35.

Anyway the thing I don't get is though, why do people think just because Villa's 31 that it doesn't mean he won't score goals for fun in a team where hes the focal point of the attack? Hes hardly declined, just getting back to 100% match fitness and back to form...

[Damo810 5]

Well Villa scored 17 Barcelona goals quicker than Torres scored 17 Chelsea goals didn't he? Villas record at Barca is still decent. Look at his Spain record though, top goalscorer in their history, if that doesn't shout "quality" at you then fuck knows what does!

Villas hardly declining with age, his game was never about pace. Was always about clever movement and being clinical in front of goal. Always will be, he could play at a top level unto hes 36-37 because hes similar to Del Piero in the way that his game was never about speed. Thinking Villa's declining because hes getting old is ridiculous. Does that mean Lampard and Cole have declined? Maybe Lampards not the 20 goal a season MF but hes still good. Coles not as young but still the best or second best LB in the world. Age is just a number.

What does that mean? Im sure Raul scored 17 goals in La Liga faster than Torres reached 17 goals, maybe we should sign him up? Your looking at his record as a whole, look at it more recently. You can look at any older players record, and if you look at it as a whole it'll probably be decent, but you'll see as they get older it decline, as has Villa's. He's not the player he was and he's not worth the money. Plenty of players games isn't about speed, but they still have to retire at some stage. Pace isn't the only thing that leaves you. Frank wasn't dependent on pace, but he's as you say " not the 20 goal a season MF" anymore.

You then create one of the most conflicting statement I have ever read. "Does that mean Lampard and Cole have declined" Yes, yes it does. You then back up my point. "Maybe Lampards not the 20 goal a season MF but hes still good. Coles not as young but still the best or second best LB in the world." Lampards not near his prime, not anywhere near the level of second best player in the world that he was in 2006. Neither is Cole, quite possibly one of the finest Lb's we've have ever seen, certainly me anyhow. Could shut down a whole side of the pitch by himself, now is being caught out consistently, a la the Utd game.

But they still have a lot to offer, Cole is still imo the finest LB in the PL and possibly the world. Lampard would make a good rotation player despite being 35.

Anyway the thing I don't get is though, why do people think just because Villa's 31 that it doesn't mean he won't score goals for fun in a team where hes the focal point of the attack? Hes hardly declined, just getting back to 100% match fitness and back to form...

Coles still the best LB in the league, thats why we would be stupid let him go, but thats not to say he hasn't declined.

Im not saying he won't score, but I'm saying we won't get a valuable return on our investment. He won't score for fun though, when he's posting stats like the above in La Liga you'd have to worry for him in the prem. The stats also show he has declined significantly.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

What does that mean? Im sure Raul scored 17 goals in La Liga faster than Torres reached 17 goals, maybe we should sign him up? Your looking at his record as a whole, look at it more recently. You can look at any older players record, and if you look at it as a whole it'll probably be decent, but you'll see as they get older it decline, as has Villa's. He's not the player he was and he's not worth the money. Plenty of players games isn't about speed, but they still have to retire at some stage. Pace isn't the only thing that leaves you. Frank wasn't dependent on pace, but he's as you say " not the 20 goal a season MF" anymore.

You then create one of the most conflicting statement I have ever read. "Does that mean Lampard and Cole have declined" Yes, yes it does. You then back up my point. "Maybe Lampards not the 20 goal a season MF but hes still good. Coles not as young but still the best or second best LB in the world." Lampards not near his prime, not anywhere near the level of second best player in the world that he was in 2006. Neither is Cole, quite possibly one of the finest Lb's we've have ever seen, certainly me anyhow. Could shut down a whole side of the pitch by himself, now is being caught out consistently, a la the Utd game.

Coles still the best LB in the league, thats why we would be stupid let him go, but thats not to say he hasn't declined.

Im not saying he won't score, but I'm saying we won't get a valuable return on our investment. He won't score for fun though, when he's posting stats like the above in La Liga you'd have to worry for him in the prem. The stats also show he has declined significantly.

Chelsea aren't Arsenal, we don't sell our best players or in fact any good players. We keep them.

[FriendlyMailman 15]

If his knees were normal he'd be paid 120k p/w just like the rest of them

[Damo810 5]

Chelsea aren't Arsenal, we don't sell our best players or in fact any good players. We keep them.

Who mentioned selling him? And we don't keep them, we let them go for free even when they are worth a few million. Drogba for example. More than likely Frank and Ash.

If his knees were normal he'd be paid 120k p/w just like the rest of them

When you compare him to Torres, he's worth every penny of 120K. It's a shame about the risks involved though.

[Zola kinda blue 89]

If his knees were normal he'd be paid 120k p/w just like the rest of them

he's hardly missed a game with his dodgy knees

[FriendlyMailman 15]

he's hardly missed a game with his dodgy knees

I know. I just think its funny that Chelsea will pay Hazard 170k p/w but won't pay up 90 or so for Ba

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

I know. I just think its funny that Chelsea will pay Hazard 170k p/w but won't pay up 90 or so for Ba

Hazard's on 110K p/w isn't he? Secondly, comparing a 27 year old with a dodgy knee (albeit a very good goalscorer) to a 21 year old potentinal Ballon D'or winner sought after by the whole world, is quite ridiculous.

[Rambo 1,729]

Hazard's on 110K p/w isn't he? Secondly, comparing a 27 year old with a dodgy knee (albeit a very good goalscorer) to a 21 year old potentinal Ballon D'or winner sought after by the whole world, is quite ridiculous.

If Ba can score goals like he is for newcastle at the moment I think 90k is reasonable.

[FriendlyMailman 15]

Hazard's on 110K p/w isn't he? Secondly, comparing a 27 year old with a dodgy knee (albeit a very good goalscorer) to a 21 year old potentinal Ballon D'or winner sought after by the whole world, is quite ridiculous.

110k p/w sorry. Much more reasonable wages for a 21 yr old 'potential ballon d'or winner'...

[BOSS 372]

To be honest guys i think its bullshit that Torres earns so much doing nothing while Ba can do much more and he is asking for 80-90k while Torres is earning like 175k. DA FUQ CHELSEA DAFUQ?!

[Zola kinda blue 89]

I know. I just think its funny that Chelsea will pay Hazard 170k p/w but won't pay up 90 or so for Ba

Its not his wages, its the 2 million or so his "advisors" (not even his agent) want thats the problem.

We need to sit down with his actual agent