Closed Chelsea v Shakhtar Donetsk

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

We can't face another English side in the round of 16.

We'd beat United anyway. We're simply better than them. Imagine when we buy a good Striker.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Had a dream we smashed these 9-3.

[edetarod 2,155]

Shakhtar will no doubt sit back (while pressing really hard in their own half) and counter attack, it would be a mistake trying to force things from the start

surely we must have learned from the Atletico and Shakhtar game

i would love if we started without a striker and put an extra man in midfield, and after 60 or so minutes if the game is still 0-0 bring in Sturridge

[Jase 43,479]

But our goal difference is better than theirs..

EDIT: No it's not, never mind.

Head-to-head record comes into the play first if two teams are on level points.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Head-to-head record comes into the play first if two teams are on level points.

Does the goal difference count?

2-1 in Ukraine and 3-0 in London, are we ahead?

[Jase 43,479]

Does the goal difference count?

Yes but it will only be used seperate the two teams if the head-to-head record is equal after the 2 meetings(e.g Nordsjaelland 1-1 Juventus & Juventus 1-1 Nordsjaelland) and are on level points. Away goals are taken into count in the head-to-head meetings IIRC.

2-1 in Ukraine and 3-0 in London, are we ahead?

This.

To top the group after this game, we need to either win 1-0, 2-1 or anything more than a 1 goal margin. Should we win it 3-2, 4-3, 5-4 etc, then Shakhtar will still remain top of the group after it because they'll have more away goals than us over the 2 meetings in the group.

[Azpinator 2,325]

Luiz-Terry has been FAR better than Cahill-Terry and when its been Cahill-Terry its usually (lately) been Cahill whos looked less solid. Just look at the PL match against man u.

Luiz is a really good CB, he just needs to stop rush forward. Thats it.

I've been more impressed by Cahill-Ivanovic than any other combination. I like Luiz a lot but I prefer the other 3 CBs because I don't think he'll stop rushing forward.. And I disagree on Cahill, he has been really good so far imo.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I've been more impressed by Cahill-Ivanovic than any other combination. I like Luiz a lot but I prefer the other 3 CBs because I don't think he'll stop rushing forward.. And I disagree on Cahill, he has been really good so far imo.

Cahill was absolute shite against united.

[Stingray 9,441]

No, I know that Torres sucks, but it is no reason not to watch a Chelsea match, especially such an important game, because you would miss 90% of games this season in which Torres will inevitably start.

Oh, and a striker is rarely the reason for losing. You can have a crappy striker and a good defence and the game will end 0-0, but you can have a good striker and a shit defence and the game can end 4-5. So if you are afraid of us losing, you should be worried about our shakey defence, not Torres.

Well, of course I will watch the game. That is called figure of speech :-)

But, I do think Torres is in the way of being a really great team. Johan Cruyff said offense is the best defense for a team and I agree on that in the sense that without a sriker ... well, you loose so much of your potential, even your defensive potential (even if only for pressing, having a threat so defenders stay, etc.).

On our defense, I am confident we will sort this out with the players we have. Our offense (striker position) on the other hand, I do not believe for a second we will sort that out with Torres,

Again, friendly hail to you!

ps: Damn sure I will watch the game :-) Wouldn't miss it for the world even if we lose :-)

[TheCount 146]

Cahill was absolute shite against united.

? what the.... if your on about the 1st 20mins then everyone was poor, he had a great game after that.

[Land 331]

? what the.... if your on about the 1st 20mins then everyone was poor, he had a great game after that.

Didnt mark RVP on the second goal

[Backstreet09 499]

Iva - Terry - Cahill - Cole

Ramires

Mata-Oscar- Hazard

Sturridge - Torres

[TheCount 146]

Didnt mark RVP on the second goal

hazard(?) didnt track back, cole then didnt close down the cross, david luiz closed in but to close enough and let it through his legs and then cahill didnt mark him, it was poor all around, no one marked anyone properly.

[Land 331]

hazard(?) didnt track back, cole then didnt close down the cross, david luiz closed in but to close enough and let it through his legs and then cahill didnt mark him, it was poor all around, no one marked anyone properly.

So he didn't have a great game

[TheCount 146]

So he didn't have a great game

I said he had a great game after the 1st 20mins where everyone was shit, fuck me does anyone actually read posts or they just decide what people have said and comment....

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I said he had a great game after the 1st 20mins where everyone was shit, fuck me does anyone actually read posts or they just decide what people have said and comment....

He was also at fault for the play Iva got sent off for. Was out of position, got too close to RVP and allowed him to turn and play the through ball.

[Jase 43,479]

A couple of stats and facts to throw in...

1. Spanish referee Carlos Velasco Carballo will officiate the Chelsea v Shakhtar Donetsk match at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday.

2. Carballo has previously officiated 2 Chelsea matches in the Champions League - the Blues 2-0 victory over Spartak Moscow in 2010 and their 3-1 loss to Napoli.

3. Shakhtar Donetsk have not won any of their 4 previous visits to London in European competitions - D1 L3.

4. Shakhtar manager Mircea Lucescu has tasted victory in London before. His Besiktas emerged 2-0 victors at SB back in the 03/04 Champions League.

5. Besiktas are ONE of the only FIVE sides to have ever beaten Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in the Champions League.

6. In fact, Besiktas are the last side to have beaten Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in the Champions League group stage, in the 03/04 season.

7. Chelsea have won 70.6% of their matches at Stamford Bridge in the Champions League group stage - P34 W24 D8 L2.

[TheCount 146]

He was also at fault for the play Iva got sent off for. Was out of position, got too close to RVP and allowed him to turn and play the through ball.

I dont think Iva should of been got sent off tho so that would kind of make cahill being out of position irrelevant for me, tho other then that he had a great game. Now if ya take into consideration either, young keeps goin i think cahill has enough time to make one of his trademark slide tackles or indeed just intercept the ball, cole to, cech could also of came out and closed the angle, and the other where young goes down as he did and the ref waves play on and we all laugh at how ridiculously easy he went over and use it as an example of how not to be, but of course that's a dream situation lol.