New striker needed - but who?

[Stingray 9,441]

I hear this Lukaku guy is doing great at West Bromwich. Maybe we should sign him up?

My god. Brilliant idea!

[YuriZhirkov 106]

Swedish media reports that Chelsea watched BK Häckens 21 year old ghanaian striker Waris Majeed. He scored a hattrick today against Syrianska and have now scored 22 goals in the swedish allsvenskan.

He is really a quality attacker and is probably going to leave the club in january, should be cheap aswell.

[Mr_President 404]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8145552/

Oscar doing work

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Look out, if benzema rules the planet this season, higuain might leave, and benzema might decide not to go after all.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Look out, if benzema rules the planet this season, higuain might leave, and benzema might decide not to go after all.

Everyone knows Messi will rule the planet this season, he always does

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Everyone knows Messi will rule the planet this season, he always does

By rule the planet i meant that if benzema does enough to become a starter yet again over higuain then that could be the end for higuain at real madrid because after almost half a decade of benching each other, this thing where they share minutes has to come to an end eventually. Hence benzema wants to leave because that declaration of being starter has not been given to him yet.

If one striker prevails over the other, then that might make mourinho play that sole striker for much more time than the other, because the sharing of minutes has hurt them both in that they cant hit that form and stride an undisputed man like ibra, or rooney can, as a player.

Hence one of benz or higuain will leave by the end of 12/13 i guarantee it, and for chelsea for me higuain would be a good idea at the very least, not benzema though.

Benzema has stated many times he wants to be an SS type of play, he wants to be a mix between a 10 and a 9, he wants to give goals, while scoring them, hence his reluctance to make runs in real madrid a typical 9 like higuain would do.

That means that since chelsea is filled with playmaker type of players like oscar, mata, hazard, going to chelsea for benzema would be kinda stupid. he wouldnt be able to play the way he wants, he'd actually have to play next to another striker in my opinion, while also taking the place of one of the 3 attackers mentioned.

For the kind of player he wants to be, it would leave chelsea in a situation similar to spain's in which fabregas has to be the goal scorer while the whole bunch of play makers behind him struggle to really find a goal scoring reference.

In madrid that isnt the problem since the main attacking drive runs through the left flank and ronaldo, while benzema backs it up while getting support though the middle and right side.

Higuain for chelsea would be great, benzema would not. It could work but the whole front line would have no reference up front, it woul be a pack of creative guys trying to put a ball inside the net, like having mata, silva, iniesta, and a goal savvy fabregas, not enough imo. Look at france, nasri sucks so much donkey d!ck that benzema tend to play over him behind giroud even, to provide assists. Actually hes provided assists to ribbery and diaby i think it was.

Let me add, that the leaving of one of them could lead to the arrival of falcao as weird as it may sound to some considering the benching issues.

Imo chelsea might just add up with a striker from madrid ( falcao, higuain, and hopefully not benzema) i would not like benz to go to chelsea not only because i want him at madrid but it wouldnt be good to him or chelsea.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

By rule the planet i meant that if benzema does enough to become a starter yet again over higuain then that could be the end for higuain at real madrid because after almost half a decade of benching each other, this thing where they share minutes has to come to an end eventually. Hence benzema wants to leave because that declaration of being starter has not been given to him yet.

If one striker prevails over the other, then that might make mourinho play that sole striker for much more time than the other, because the sharing of minutes has hurt them both in that they cant hit that form and stride an undisputed man like ibra, or rooney can, as a player.

Hence one of benz or higuain will leave by the end of 12/13 i guarantee it, and for chelsea for me higuain would be a good idea at the very least, not benzema though.

Benzema has stated many times he wants to be an SS type of play, he wants to be a mix between a 10 and a 9, he wants to give goals, while scoring them, hence his reluctance to make runs in real madrid a typical 9 like higuain would do.

That means that since chelsea is filled with playmaker type of players like oscar, mata, hazard, going to chelsea for benzema would be kinda stupid. he wouldnt be able to play the way he wants, he'd actually have to play next to another striker in my opinion, while also taking the place of one of the 3 attackers mentioned.

For the kind of player he wants to be, it would leave chelsea in a situation similar to spain's in which fabregas has to be the goal scorer while the whole bunch of play makers behind him struggle to really find a goal scoring reference.

In madrid that isnt the problem since the main attacking drive runs through the left flank and ronaldo, while benzema backs it up while getting support though the middle and right side.

Higuain for chelsea would be great, benzema would not.

Let me add, that the leaving of one of them could lead to the arrival of falcao as weird as it may sound to some considering the benching issues.

Imo chelsea might just add up with a striker from madrid ( falcao, higuain, and hopefully not benzema) i would not like benz to go to chelsea not only because i want him at madrid but it wouldnt be good to him or chelsea.

So if Benzema continues starting for Real then Higuain could possibly leave. Seems quite odd as the likes of Di Maria and Ozil get a fair amount of assists so surely a number 9/poacher would suit Real Madrid as well to get on the end of crosses from Di Maria, Ozil, Callejon, Ronaldo/whoever else and rebounds from shots in the box. If Ronaldo was to get injured then surely Higuain would be really useful for Real, as he'd be a major source for goals if them players could provide crosses/passes in behind for him, rather than Benzema who doesn't (as he showed for France during the Euros, where he played absolute bollocks.)

I reckon Falcao will still end up at Chelsea in the summer. Wouldn't really mind like I did with Sheva in 2007 but when will Roman learn not to buy the manager to use players he doesn't necessarily want!

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

So if Benzema continues starting for Real then Higuain could possibly leave. Seems quite odd as the likes of Di Maria and Ozil get a fair amount of assists so surely a number 9/poacher would suit Real Madrid as well to get on the end of crosses from Di Maria, Ozil, Callejon, Ronaldo/whoever else and rebounds from shots in the box. If Ronaldo was to get injured then surely Higuain would be really useful for Real, as he'd be a major source for goals if them players could provide crosses/passes in behind for him, rather than Benzema who doesn't (as he showed for France during the Euros, where he played absolute bollocks.)

I reckon Falcao will still end up at Chelsea in the summer. Wouldn't really mind like I did with Sheva in 2007 but when will Roman learn not to buy the manager to use players he doesn't necessarily want!

You see the problem is that we have to look at the big picture. If benzema turns into the principal striker of madrid he'd be able to score goals, and provide help to ronaldo which is the main attacking force, at madrid he arguably has a very good setup, he scored 32 goals and assisted 15 last season, if he had 1/3 or 2/3 more of the time higuain took from him he could have scored 40 goals and 20 assists, he can play well in the system, along with that benzema provides so much more than higuain, that in the end, if we were to choose i dont think there would be an argument for keeping higuain over benzema.

The problem is that they have to share time, and benzema is getting sick of it, what he could do here, he will do somewhere else if given a good chance. If ronaldo would get injured is not enough of an excuse, if he gets injured then benz turns into the main attacking threat, which is even better for benz, higuain cant lead a team the way benz does, the perfect situation would be to have benz and a super sub, not 2 world class players who have to share minutes and stop them selves from "exploding" their potential.

Falcao? I buildt an argument, as to why realistically, real madrid could go after him if benz gets sold, go to the falcao thread to read it, its all over the spanish media, shows, marca, as, el confidencial, sport.es, florentino is working on reworking his relationship with atheltico in an attempt to set up the process to buy falcao. in there is also the rumor benz WANTS to leave with valid reasons. As mou said, a club like real cant afford NOT having two world class strikers, the problem here is ronaldo, which wasnt a problem when we had MORIENTES, RAUL AND RAUL/RONALDO although the raul/ronaldo bit arguably started the downfall of raul's prime.

Benz and higuain could play together but there is ronaldo. Benz and ronaldo is arguably the best partner ship in the world but it fails to reach its top because benzema doesnt reach peak because of higuain and vice versa.

Lol higuain is selfish and never has been a big game player, benzema is the exact opposite.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Also you have to analyze things well when saying that he played bullocks, france played bullocks, the lack of creation forced him to be played in the area behind the striker, he never was the guy upfront, he was the main guy in a cluster fck which ended in failure.

Hopefully they start understanding that it is best to put benzema not as sole striker, regardless of what a

Di Maria -Ozil - Ronaldo

-----Benzema--

would tell you, its more like

Di Maria

Ozil Ronaldo

Benzema

Di Maria helps defend, cuts in, ozil drives the ball forward with help from di maria, alonso, and khedira, he is good at driving forward, ronaldo comes running down the left, benzema controls while also commanding at front

Much better than the dry france system of euro 2012

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/06/06/euro-2012-preview-france/

AHHAHAH Ribery provided width that led to nowhere, nasri was non existant, and putting malouda at the midfield would show you how lacking and desperate france was.

Near the end of their adventure they change

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/06/24/spain-2-0-france-blancs-double-right-back-plan-fails/

Still a disaster but could search for something at the break, and nothing else, and failed. France had no chance.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Also, how bout david villa? This guy is being ostrocized, the benefit of the doubt is being given to the fact that he needs time after his injury, but its fact that he has problems with messi, and has played 30 some minutes in 3 games, he wants to leave, specially if the rumors of neymar arriving at barca are true.

Villa could and probably is facing his last season at barca.

A 31 year old villa for 15 million, or even less, would chelsea take it?

VILLA IS HAVING BIG PRObLEMS WITH MESSI AND TITO FACT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOxoStwv0w0&feature=g-u-u

You understand spanish and the video above is fact that says villa is out. Unless he's given the place of undisputed starter. and even at that, his position at barca really damages his ability to do his best.

[Reddish-Blue 2,510]

Also, how bout david villa? This guy is being ostrocized, the benefit of the doubt is being given to the fact that he needs time after his injury, but its fact that he has problems with messi, and has played 30 some minutes in 3 games, he wants to leave, specially if the rumors of neymar arriving at barca are true.

Villa could and probably is facing his last season at barca.

A 31 year old villa for 15 million, or even less, would chelsea take it?

VILLA IS HAVING BIG PRObLEMS WITH MESSI AND TITO FACT

David Villa knew that he would eventually have to be satisfied with a bit-part role at Barcelona.

I wouldn't mind Villa joining Chelsea as long as it doesn't stall the progression of Sturridge and Lukaku.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

David Villa knew that he would eventually have to be satisfied with a bit-part role at Barcelona.

I wouldn't mind Villa joining Chelsea as long as it doesn't stall the progression of Sturridge and Lukaku.

He knew it but he is not happy, the problem with barcelona is that they have not brought the right players in their attempts to bring in players to maximize messi.

Villa only joined barca beacause he wanted titles, now that he has problems with messi, with tito, he doesnt play, and when he does play he doesnt play where he should ideally, rumor has it hes even had talks with juventus, and this comes from a very close guy to villa's group of close confidents.

They sold eto'o, they wasted almost 200 million on failures of ibrahimovic, affelay, sanchez, and arguably villa ( hed ba a failure if it wasnt for the 10/11 campagin) shame on them. Barca has been garbage at transfers.

[underdrog 18]

we didnt even twitch for 29 year old 20m RVP ...

maybe buying lukaku was a mistake...we could have bought a quality striker ..hope fully we will learn lessons from buys of Torres and lukaku

[Reddish-Blue 2,510]

He knew it but he is not happy, the problem with barcelona is that they have not brought the right players in their attempts to bring in players to maximize messi.

Villa only joined barca beacause he wanted titles, now that he has problems with messi, with tito, he doesnt play, and when he does play he doesnt play where he should ideally, rumor has it hes even had talks with juventus, and this comes from a very close guy to villa's group of close confidents.

They sold eto'o, they wasted almost 200 million on failures of ibrahimovic, affelay, sanchez, and arguably villa ( hed ba a failure if it wasnt for the 10/11 campagin) shame on them. Barca has been garbage at transfers.

Afellay is such an awesome talent, I was surprised when he joined Barcelona....he was apparently very close to signing a contract with Arsenal.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Afellay is such an awesome talent, I was surprised when he joined Barcelona....he was apparently very close to signing a contract with Arsenal.

He is loaned in shalke now, he was a guardiola signing, was injured, turned irrelevant with guys like cuenca and tello, and isnt a tito signing, could go to arsenal eventually imo.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Benzema has stated many times he wants to be an SS type of play, he wants to be a mix between a 10 and a 9, he wants to give goals, while scoring them, hence his reluctance to make runs in real madrid a typical 9 like higuain would do.

If you've watched us in any sort if capacity you'd see that Torres is playing exactly the same way you describe how Benzema wants to play. Torres is very involved in the build up play. Whoever plays up front is expected to contribute to the creation of chances at CFC. Benzema would be a much better fit than Higuain for Chelsea if what you say about his preferences are true.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

If you've watched us in any sort if capacity you'd see that Torres is playing exactly the same way you describe how Benzema wants to play. Torres is very involved in the build up play. Whoever plays up front is expected to contribute to the creation of chances at CFC. Benzema would be a much better fit than Higuain for Chelsea if what you say about his preferences are true.

TSK...Wrong my boy, the man wants to play behind the striker, or atleast not serve as a main goalscorer among playmakers in a clusterfck.

It seems you didnt read well or didnt understand.

This man wants to be the focal point of a team in a way in which he scores alot while also playmaking, with 3 people already doing the playmaking, he'd be cut short, can't care less what chelsea fans think they want or need when it comes to benzema if they can't understand that the way he'd play one of your oscar, hazard, mata, would get benched.

With all the playmakers you need a goal scorer, why do you think you guys have this thread? Because you need a goal scorer, and if your coach was smart, he'd go after falcao or higuain. Lol using torres as an example...you guys have no reference upfront, benzema wouldnt come here to be cut short.

At madrid he's near perfect ( doesnt make many runs a 9 would, but i think he'd adapt if higuain leaves), the problem is that he is still not undisputed starter, this is the last year this will happen at madrid, benz wants to leave because he got told by mou ( according to sources near to him) that he would start most to begin this season, he lied to benz, and now he's looking for a way out. Mou wanted higuain to play as the 9 apparently and its not working, so benz is coming up and if he "rules the world" and ostracizes higuain then even better for chelsea.

Falcao wont come with benz here, and falcao and higuain will be up for your grabs, which is the ideal.

[The Skipper 20,609]

TSK...Wrong my boy, the man wants to play behind the striker, or atleast not serve as a main goalscorer among playmakers in a clusterfck.

It seems you didnt read well or didnt understand.

This man wants to be the focal point of a team in a way in which he scores alot while also playmaking, with 3 people already doing the playmaking, he'd be cut short, can't care less what chelsea fans think they want or need when it comes to benzema if they can't understand that the way he'd play one of your oscar, hazard, mata, would get benched.

With all the playmakers you need a goal scorer, why do you think you guys have this thread? Because you need a goal scorer, and if your coach was smart, he'd go after falcao or higuain. Lol using torres as an example...you guys have no reference upfront, benzema wouldnt come here to be cut short.

At madrid he's near perfect ( doesnt make many runs a 9 would, but i think he'd adapt if higuain leaves), the problem is that he is still not undisputed starter, this is the last year this will happen at madrid, benz wants to leave because he got told by mou ( according to sources near to him) that he would start most to begin this season, he lied to benz, and now he's looking for a way out. Mou wanted higuain to play as the 9 apparently and its not working, so benz is coming up and if he "rules the world" and ostracizes higuain then even better for chelsea.

Falcao wont come with benz here, and falcao and higuain will be up for your grabs, which is the ideal.

Wrong where? Don't call me your "boy" either, no need to be patronising. You were the one that described Benzema as a striker that enjoys linking up and being involved in the build up play. I stated that Torres does that for Chelsea right now, in no way am I comparing Benzema with Torres, all I said was that he'd be a better fit for CFC than Higuain (based on your opinion that Benzema prefers to play part in the creation of chances) as Torres does a similar thing at CFC right now.

I don't think it's as simple as us needing a pure goal scorer, Torres is a pretty potent one, but like I said if you've watched us this season you would've noticed how involved Torres is with the build up play. Which is why I said my comment about Benzema being a better fit than Higuain at CFC. Yes Torres has three playmakers behind him, but because they don't really provide width, it's essential for whoever plays number 9 to be involved in the play as there won't be a lot of spaces to run into especially if an opponent sets up a low block formation. It isn't as simple as Torres/whoever sitting on the edge of the box waiting for our playmaking trinity to create chances for him.

Also it's very naive to think that the title of this thread represents the view of the whole forum. If you would've bothered reading through the pages, which I'm guessing you clearly did not, you'd see people disagreeing with valid points and opinions with the opinion that we need another striker.

[Reddish-Blue 2,510]

Wrong where? Don't call me your "boy" either, no need to be patronising. You were the one that described Benzema as a striker that enjoys linking up and being involved in the build up play. I stated that Torres does that for Chelsea right now, in no way am I comparing Benzema with Torres, all I said was that he'd be a better fit for CFC than Higuain (based on your opinion that Benzema prefers to play part in the creation of chances) as Torres does a similar thing at CFC right now.

I don't think it's as simple as us needing a pure goal scorer, Torres is a pretty potent one, but like I said if you've watched us this season you would've noticed how involved Torres is with the build up play. Which is why I said my comment about Benzema being a better fit than Higuain at CFC. Yes Torres has three playmakers behind him, but because they don't really provide width, it's essential for whoever plays number 9 to be involved in the play as there won't be a lot of spaces to run into especially if an opponent sets up a low block formation. It isn't as simple as Torres/whoever sitting on the edge of the box waiting for our playmaking trinity to create chances for him.

Also it's very naive to think that the title of this thread represents the view of the whole forum. If you would've bothered reading through the pages, which I'm guessing you clearly did not, you'd see people disagreeing with valid points and opinions with the opinion that we need another striker.

All we need is a rotation striker. Someone that will keep Torres fresh as well as score a few goals.

Buying Falcao would be a dream come true...but do we really want to shatter Torres' confidence? Cause if Falcao joins, he'll be starting CF from day one which will leave Torres' future in doubt.

I wouldn't mind Chelsea taking a chance on Ba if he really has a release clause of only 7 million. Sure, he's got injury issues but as a proven striker who can help Torres stay fresh, 7 million is a bargain.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Wrong where? Don't call me your "boy" either, no need to be patronising. You were the one that described Benzema as a striker that enjoys linking up and being involved in the build up play. I stated that Torres does that for Chelsea right now, in no way am I comparing Benzema with Torres, all I said was that he'd be a better fit for CFC than Higuain (based on your opinion that Benzema prefers to play part in the creation of chances) as Torres does a similar thing at CFC right now.

I don't think it's as simple as us needing a pure goal scorer, Torres is a pretty potent one, but like I said if you've watched us this season you would've noticed how involved Torres is with the build up play. Which is why I said my comment about Benzema being a better fit than Higuain at CFC. Yes Torres has three playmakers behind him, but because they don't really provide width, it's essential for whoever plays number 9 to be involved in the play as there won't be a lot of spaces to run into especially if an opponent sets up a low block formation. It isn't as simple as Torres/whoever sitting on the edge of the box waiting for our playmaking trinity to create chances for him.

Also it's very naive to think that the title of this thread represents the view of the whole forum. If you would've bothered reading through the pages, which I'm guessing you clearly did not, you'd see people disagreeing with valid points and opinions with the opinion that we need another striker.

Dont be ridiculous, you are confusing your self in an attempt to prove me wrong, and fail.

Benzema wants to have a playmaking role, a very focused one, with the 3 chelsea play makers there, that won't happen, so CHELSEA IS NOT THE IDEAL PLACE FOR WHAT BENZEMA WANTS.

If benzema leaves madrid it is because he is not THE starter yet, if higuain gets ostracized then benz might stay and score some 40 goals and 20 assists if we are to judge from previous campaigns.

He wants a sort of freedom that here in chelsea he wont get, not good enough for benz or chelsea.

There wouldnt be a majority vote for a new striker if it wasnt fact that torres is not enough, you can argue that until you fall asleep if you want, but a goal scorer who you can feed and play vertical football with is the answer, lets see if torres delivers, and if chelsea decide to leave him be.

Please dont try to go around things, what i said is that benzema wont come here because it is not ideal, and that chelsea are arguably looking for a striker, and the type of falcao or higuain would be the best. Considering that there arent many players like benzema in a world class status if any, then a 9 is what you will get as the reference up front, thats it. I mean, can't you see the unsettlement and news around getting a new striker since people arent convinced with torres overall?

You wont get benzema, and if you get a new striker it will most likely be a 9 thats it.

Having benzema at chelsea would be a waste specially for him.

And please dont get so defensive, "my boy" is a way to make conversation, im not trying to degrade you as a human being..

My main thesis has been said, and i doubt it can really be fought against.

Look at benz in france vs japan yesterday.. he played behind giroud ffs. He is more of a playmaker/goal scorer than anything else. Hasnt scored a goal since september 2011 with france. not his fault entirely though.

If torres comes though and no new striker comes in then good for you, but if you dont want to miss out on guys who have proved them selves like falcao and yes even higuain ( youd have to be a blind delusional to think he isnt proven, compared to torres at the very least) then you will go after them.

If torres links up well and starts scoring goals then great, that may not be enough for roman though, what stops him from going after the most inform striker in the world?