bababoom 4,478 Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Maybe i was wrong, maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeB 1,281 Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 FUCKING LIVERPOOL LEVEL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 An in form average striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeB 1,281 Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 An in form average striker.That's the figures from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 FUCKING LIVERPOOL LEVEL!At the risk of sounding ignorant, what exactly is shooting goals added? I know it's defined at the bottom of the pic but I still don't get it, would really appreciate it if you can explain it please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeB 1,281 Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 WHAT??? You don't know what is the shooting goals added???I did not know that stuff before, that's actually a twiend of mine who twitted that to me I did find that, it seems to be a manner to calculate and sort the chances depending of the position (xG) and the direction of the shoot( xG(OT) ), before minus afterhttp://www.optasport...-departees.aspxWhoScored.com is actually a kindergarden thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 At the risk of sounding ignorant, what exactly is shooting goals added? I know it's defined at the bottom of the pic but I still don't get it, would really appreciate it if you can explain it please well since it is the difference between 2 probabilities ...the maximum value it can be is ONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeB 1,281 Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 well since it is the difference between 2 probabilities ...the maximum value it can be is ONEI read the definition but to be fair I didn't understood that much more, I've always been crap with math anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 WHAT??? You don't know what is the shooting goals added???I did not know that stuff before, that's actually a twiend of mine who twitted that to me I did find that, it seems to be a manner to calculate and sort the chances depending of the position (xG) and the direction of the shoot( xG(OT) ), before minus afterhttp://www.optasport...-departees.aspxWhoScored.com is actually a kindergarden thing Haha cheers mate.well since it is the difference between 2 probabilities ...the maximum value it can be is ONEYeah but somehow the values are all above 1. Apparently math has changed since I was last in school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 maximum probability is 1 which is certaintyminimum is Zero ..impossible //justs shows their stats are RUBBISH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 At the risk of sounding ignorant, what exactly is shooting goals added? I know it's defined at the bottom of the pic but I still don't get it, would really appreciate it if you can explain it please It's how many more goals they scored than you would expect them to score based on where they took their shots...or something like that....so Fletcher scored 4.1 more goals than would have been expected from the positions he was in when he shot. It seems to me a very difficult stat to believe in simply because every situation is different, but I think that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 maximum probability is 1 which is certaintyminimum is Zero ..impossible //justs shows their stats are RUBBISHAgreed, I can't understand it, it must be wrong Seriously though the two numbers that are subtracted are actually both a sum of probabilities that's why their difference can be greater than one.For those who want to know, this brilliant stat is a great way of telling which players make the best of their chances. Fletcher, in this example, made in 70 shots 4.1 more goals (in theory) than the average due to the quality of his finishing. Does that make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 It's how many more goals they scored than you would expect them to score based on where they took their shots...or something like that....so Fletcher scored 4.1 more goals than would have been expected from the positions he was in when he shot. It seems to me a very difficult stat to believe in simply because every situation is different, but I think that's it.Actually it's not whether he scored but what the probability of him scoring after the shot minus the probability to score from that position, or at least that's what it says in the link SeB posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Actually it's not whether he scored but what the probability of him scoring after the shot minus the probability to score from that position, or at least that's what it says in the link SeB posted You're right. I was looking at expected goals. Anyway, it has something to do with efficiency...or scoring goals...or at least football. I'm pretty sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 It just means he outperforms his expected goal-scoring ability, meaning he converts more chances than he would have expected to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 You're right. I was looking at expected goals. Anyway, it has something to do with efficiency...or scoring goals...or at least football. I'm pretty sure of that.lol. Yeah I actually found it to be an excellent way of judging the quality of a players finishing, but only if applied to a large number of shots because as you said each situation has it's particularities.Going back on topic, I think this proves that Steven, at least in the finishing department, is far from average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 when quantitative values are made on subjective judgements statistical analyses are invalid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeB 1,281 Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 when quantitative values are made on subjective judgements statistical analyses are invalidThere it underlines the will to find a pattern the closer possible, stats are worth a look but I'd never use that to prove anything. Just to confirm a trend or a feeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 when quantitative values are made on subjective judgements statistical analyses are invalidBingo....I follow baseball and it is easily the best sport for statistical analysis because every single thing can be broken down because players have individual outcomes. Because of this, the sport is filled with a tremendous number of useful statistics that managers use to their advantage all the time. In team sports, it's a lot more difficult because you can't isolate individual plays the same way If player A takes a shot from point X in the box and scores and player B takes a shot from point X in the box and doesn't score, it doesn't mean that player B is worse. The cross into the box for player B could have been awful and the cross to player A perfect. Maybe the two keepers are Casillas and Taibi, etc...There are useful stats of course, but there is no substitute for watching the game. But as SeB points out, even these wackier stats can still have value if they are overwhelming or just as a tool to "confirm a feeling". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Bingo....I follow baseball and it is easily the best sport for statistical analysis because every single thing can be broken down because players have individual outcomes. Because of this, the sport is filled with a tremendous number of useful statistics that managers use to their advantage all the time. In team sports, it's a lot more difficult because you can't isolate individual plays the same way If player A takes a shot from point X in the box and scores and player B takes a shot from point X in the box and doesn't score, it doesn't mean that player B is worse. The cross into the box for player B could have been awful and the cross to player A perfect. Maybe the two keepers are Casillas and Taibi, etc...There are useful stats of course, but there is no substitute for watching the game. But as SeB points out, even these wackier stats can still have value if they are overwhelming or just as a tool to "confirm a feeling".love baseball and not only because of stats ,,,,last month has been terrible for CWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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