Oscar

[Oscar 441]

He will just tell you Oscar is more creative and better than Willian and bring up stats to prove it without context.

Being creative is irrelevant for Jose, just like for LVG. He sacrificed those aspects for balanced, which is what Oscar provides. I think after the loss to southampton, mata has been dropped for 3 consecutive league games...

the way I see it, Chelsea need to have 2 of the willian/oscar/ramires starting games...

[bababoom 4,478]

Willian is better than Oscar in terms of ball control, dribbling, pace and woke rate but i wouldn't say he's more creative. TBH both are pretty poor in this department, but i'll say Oscar just edges it.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Oscar plays in the middle of the park, Willian is out wide, of course it's going to be easier for Oscar to get more assists.

Willian is more creative because he can see the more difficult pass better, whereas Oscar won't even see it and fails a lot when trying to do a basic through ball.

no Oscar creates more then Willian that is a fact. and Oscar isnt even a direct player and still creates alot more then Willian

[Pacquiao 1,834]

I used to argue the same but he doesn't even press excellently anymore and his link up play has gone dire. He's struggling to make basic passes. He's more of a liability now than actually balancing out the team. As I've argued already, Ramires or Willian can provide what he does in the team more effectively on current form.

And the "as he matures" excuse is so tiresome, he's played a lot of football over the last 3 seasons but he's barely improved.

he hasnt been at his best recently but form is temporary, and i think he has improved a lot over the last 3 seasons, he is just a bit inconsistent, which is normal for any young player

[Rekin 835]

Oscar creates more than Willian due to their different positions. You might as well say that Oscar creates more than Azpilicueta if you are going to ignore tactical factors.
Still, even though Willian is on the wing he is not far behind Oscar in some key offensive statistics. Neither player really strikes me as the type with end product, but at least Willian has the pace that makes him a better fit for our side.

Like The Skipper wrote a bit back, we could replace Oscar with Willian in the middle without losing a great deal. Oscar is not a bad player, but after almost three seasons Im losing hope about him really becoming world class. His development has not been substantial, in many ways he still feels like the player that started the first game last season, and he is still the player I never expect to beat his man and set up a good chance. If there is demand after him on the market and a good price to be given, I would personally sell him, but otherwise he is still an excellent squad player.
My point at any rate is that CFC can do better in his position, hopefully they can go for someone who is as good with the pressing, but who can contribute going forward more.

I also realize that he has his best season in terms of productivity, but I still feel like he goes invisible for large parts of a game.

[didierforever 7,349]

Cesc is not good at pressing, workrate and defensively. He is easily outpaced on the counter and invisibile in many situations.

Put Cesc as the n10, and diego essentially is a one man dog pressing everyone by himself. If you really think that cesc offense won't be affected due to his defensive responsibilities, you are in dreamland. Cesc, is like Hazard. Both at least give effort in the press and defensively, however, neither are really effective in that part of the game.

hahhaha... u do know that cesc is playing as a CM and has a 100 times more defensive responsibilities than oscar? to even say that has to be the worst argument. saying cesc is defensively weaker than oscar is another argument which i cant even fathom to take seriously.

[LAB 1,030]

I have been very patient with this player and still continue to be but I agree that his inconsistency is not in harmony with the amount of time and chances he has been given at this club.

Now we all have to consider that the kid has played too many minutes lately. More than he can handle. He can't simply run and run forever, closing down spaces and making successful tackles. It requires lot of energy. I am ok with that and it's something manageable as long as we have a someone else to do the dirty work (Rami for example)

His bad passing however is not so much a consequence of tiredness and it's that department we should look more to analyse. It's something to worry about since he is in a crucial age now that demands clear improvement which is something that's nowhere to be found on Oscar atm. Bells have just started to ring a little bit in my mind, but imo it's not a make or break season yet.

[Oscar 441]

hahhaha... u do know that cesc is playing as a CM and has a 100 times more defensive responsibilities than oscar? to even say that has to be the worst argument. saying cesc is defensively weaker than oscar is another argument which i cant even fathom to take seriously.

Lampard also played cm in a 4-2-3-1 in the latter stages of his career.

Oscar is far superior to cesc defensively and presses a lot better as well. There is no argument in that.

[Barbara 15,149]

People around here is so pressed about Oscar that I have to laugh about it. Broken records that have to leave 5-6 posts on here on a daily basis, except when he plays well, that is.

It's almost as if they hope or expect that repeating the same thing, day after day will make Oscar leave the team.

If Cesc is recovered, I don't expect to see Oscar playing due to fatigue... but that's it. Now carry on, lol

[The Skipper 20,609]

he hasnt been at his best recently but form is temporary, and i think he has improved a lot over the last 3 seasons, he is just a bit inconsistent, which is normal for any young player

A bit inconsistent? Really? Oscar is 24 this year, people really need to stop looking at him as some sort of young player, like a Zouma or Ake for example.

Improved a lot in what aspects of his game please? List them off for me.

[didierforever 7,349]

Lampard also played cm in a 4-2-3-1 in the latter stages of his career.

Oscar is far superior to cesc defensively and presses a lot better as well. There is no argument in that.

yes i saw how good he was defensively when he let that spanish player go past him in the last game. he is so brilliant defensively that jose chucks him out in every big game and play willian through the center and rambo on the wing (city away and numeros other examples). he is infact so great defensively that in away games jose has prefered to play as cesc as no.10 and dropping oscar on the bench (pool leage cup, soton, stoke).

[didierforever 7,349]

except when he plays well, that is.

when does that happen? once in 10 matches?

[Oscar 441]

yes i saw how good he was defensively when he let that spanish player go past him in the last game. he is so brilliant defensively that jose chucks him out in every big game and play willian through the center and rambo on the wing (city away and numeros other examples). he is infact so great defensively that in away games jose has prefered to play as cesc as no.10 and dropping oscar on the bench (pool leage cup, soton, stoke).

Oscar played vs city, arsenal, united and liverpool and spurs....

[Barbara 15,149]

A bit inconsistent? Really?

Improved a lot in what aspects of his game please? List them off for me.

You fail to see it and people have to prove what you won't accept?

Whatever we say you'll disagree, so I don't feel like wasting time.

Btw, bad month or year? It definitely doesn't feel like only a bad day as you said the other day. Regardless of your opinion about Oscar, your posting changed a lot, and unfortunately it wasn't for the best

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Not hard... With Cesc, Ramires and Matic it would be more of a midfield three with Fabregas dropping a bit deeper to receive the ball and influence the game.

Ya we've seen that this year... Not a fan at all. We lose an attacking threat in the final 3rd when that happens. That strategy may work when we're looking to counter but not really a fan of cesc in the 10.