kellzfresh 7,229 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Thanks 02Kellzfresh you understand what i mean?Yes I do understand. It has more to do with his personal character than his talents. Modern wingers either have to be direct and run into goal scoring positions or be like navas and stay wide and cross. Hazard is not like the two types of winger above, so I think he'll be better centrally touching the ball all the time. thedrog108 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted June 24, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted June 24, 2014 Neymar is different, Neymar is like Cristiano, Messi and Bale. A really great player, that plays well in a lot of games but also have incredible numbers. That are the Ballon D'or kind of players and the most determinant in any team.Even Robben and Ribery, they are not that kind of player... and Hazard is far from the quality of this 2 players.Lol this is what i'm talking about with Neymar being overrated. Neymar shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Messi or C Ronaldo. Hasn't got the consistency nor the numbers. He has 13 goals and 11 assists (CL+ League) in an attacking league and an extremely attacking oriented team and you call that incredible numbers ? And Hazard really isn't that far from Ribery or Robben. Ribery has 13 goals 12 assists. Robben has 15 goals 12 assists.Both playing in a very attacking system. Hazard has 16 goals 7 assists playing in a more defensive oriented system and a more physical demanding league.Not to mention that Hazard also created the most chances in all of the top 5 competitions. 1chelsea, Bir_CFC, Styles and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Lol this is what i'm talking about with Neymar being overrated. Neymar shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Messi or C Ronaldo. Hasn't got the consistency nor the numbers. He has 13 goals and 11 assists (CL+ League) in an attacking league and an extremely attacking oriented team and you call that incredible numbers ? And Hazard really isn't that far from Ribery or Robben. Ribery has 13 goals 12 assists. Robben has 15 goals 12 assists.Both playing in a very attacking system. Hazard has 16 goals 7 assists playing in a more defensive oriented system and a more physical demanding league.THIS!!!! Neymar has done fuck all in La Liga to be compared to CR7 and Messi. Hazard is a much better player RIGHT NOW than Neymar. But Neymar is Brazilian, so obviously he's the next Ronaldo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Lol this is what i'm talking about with Neymar being overrated. Neymar shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Messi or C Ronaldo. Hasn't got the consistency nor the numbers. He has 13 goals and 11 assists (CL+ League) in an attacking league and an extremely attacking oriented team and you call that incredible numbers ? And Hazard really isn't that far from Ribery or Robben. Ribery has 13 goals 12 assists. Robben has 15 goals 12 assists.Both playing in a very attacking system. Hazard has 16 goals 7 assists playing in a more defensive oriented system and a more physical demanding league.Not to mention that Hazard also created the most chances in all of the top 5 competitions.Neymar is not at that level in this momentbut he is that kind of player they are. Neymar is not between the 10 best players in the world, But he wll be.He started 19 games (half the games) in Barcelona in La Liga, in his 1st year in Europe. It's not what was expected but he is really young. For example Messi was out for months with an important injury and played a lot more than Neymar. Hazard also did it in Chelsea... he started something like more 14 games than Neymar.and nearly the same goals (without penaltys),Neymar is clearly a player that will score more than 20 goals (I would say 30 goals) per season every season in the future,ANd this season was in my opinion really bad from Neymar in Barcelona. But... he is special. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Hazard is a number 10 and best BEHIND the striker! FACT kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Hazard is a number 10 and best BEHIND the striker! FACTI don't think you know what a fact is. Considering he's always played on the wings, that's not a fact. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Hazard is a number 10 and best BEHIND the striker! FACTRafa Benitez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Neymar is not at that level in this momentbut he is that kind of player. Neymar is not between maybe the 10 best players in the world, nut he wll be.He started 19 games (half the games) in Barcelona in La Liga, in his 1st year in Europe. It's not what was expected but he is really young. For examplo Messi was out for months with an important injury and played a lot more than Neymar. Hazard also did it in Chelsea... he started something like more 14 games than Neymar.and nearly the same goals (without penaltys),Neymar is clearly a player that will score more than 20 goals per season every season in the future,Maybe, maybe not. He a worldclass talent no doubt but i'm not so sure he'll reach that level. Scoring more then 20 goals isn't Messi C. Ronaldo level. Scoring 30, 40 goals is their level.I don't think Neymar is going to reach that level as easy as you seem to think.Yes Neymar has less games then Hazard but i could argue that that's just as much a disadvantage as an advantage. (due to fatigue)I'd give you that one though but like i said before there's the difference in system that both players play in (Barcelona, very attacking oriented, Chelsea, defensively oriented) and the difference in leagues they play in ( Primera division, more attacking (parking the bus is considered a crime against football) Premier league very physical, most smaller teams don't care about playing beautifull football and just park the bus)That are things that also plays a big role in how much goals and assists a player can get in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I don't think you know what a fact is. Considering he's always played on the wings, that's not a fact.Well he is best when he plays behind the striker so it is a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Well he is best when he plays behind the striker so it is a fact.No. That's an opinion. Eden2020, Amblève. and Barbara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 If a player doesn't score 30 goals a season, he is not one of the world's best players, says the guys who just started watching football in the Ronaldo-Messi era. SMH at some of the comments in the last 2 pages. So predictable (from the usual suspects). Pure hilarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 If a player doesn't score 30 goals a season, he is not one of the world's best players, says the guys who just started watching football in the Ronaldo-Messi era. SMH at some of the comments in the last 2 pages. So predictable (from the usual suspects). Pure hilarity. Me?:/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Me?:/Nah, of course not. But's it's just irritating how goals scored has become a barometer for a player's greatness, even when said player is not a striker. Hazard has scored 21, 14, and 17 goals respectively in the last 3 seasons and he's more of a creative winger than a goal-scoring, shoot on site winger. These are great goalscoring numbers for a winger. That's not even taking into account the creative output he brings, which is far greater than some of the names being banded about.It's a consequence of the Ronaldo-Messi era. And of course 1 or 2 posters with their personal agendas against some of our players. (no point mentioning any names) DYC., iseah100, Madmax and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 When Neymar has all the Fk responsibilities and is the main man, he will always surpass +30 goals a season....Just like Bale would as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Nah, of course not. But's it's just irritating how goals scored has become a barometer for a player's greatness, even when said player is not a striker. Hazard has scored 21, 14, and 17 goals respectively in the last 3 seasons and he's more of a creative winger than a goal-scoring, shoot on site winger. These are great goalscoring numbers for a winger. That's not even taking into account the creative output he brings, which is far greater than some of the names being banded about.It's a consequence of the Ronaldo-Messi era. And of course 1 or 2 posters with their personal agendas against some of our players. (no point mentioning any names)Well said. If he could give us around 20 goals a season and create a good amount for his teammates - and he's capable of doing both - I would be more than happy. I don't expect him to ever explode and get Messi/C. Ronaldo numbers. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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