Politics & Stuff

[cosmicway 1,333]

30 minutes ago, Vesper said:

in other words

you have nothing that could even remotely be considered a logical rebuttal

you have nothing of import to posit other than the same old repetitive gish gallop stew of religious-backed posturing and other assorted scrambled, incoherent rantings and ramblings

you are a control freak (a sign of actual insecurity and inherent weakness I might add), trying to 'big dick Willy' your way into a place of power over us that you will never again obtain

Never again, barring a cataclysmic destruction of modern human society in the advanced world.

My advice to you:

Invent time travel and take yourself back to times when the dark, magical thinking-derived wishes and power projections you so desire ran the road.

If not, mind your own fucking business, you have neither the right nor the power to reach into our lives and impose your twisted vision of control over other humans just because you wish it.

 

Killing foetuses is a crime.

[Vesper 30,091]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

Killing foetuses is a crime.

absolutely false in many cases, and in many nations (up to a certain time duration, delineated by the law)

including........................ GREECE (again, with time and circumstance legal provisions)

also, a shedload of abortions are done at pre-foetal stage (ie embryonic)

 

sorry, but we are not bending the knee to sky being-mandated claptrap that yelps and bays for tyranny and subjugation

 

[Vesper 30,091]

@cosmicway

The Greek tourism bureau should cut some adverts with you and market them to bible-banger christofash yank MAGA.

I am sure this loon would love to go on beach safari to Plaka or Orkos on Naxos:

[Fernando 6,585]

17 hours ago, Vesper said:

bullshit

the clear majority of Americans (when all American adults are added in to overall mix, including all ideologies, even hard RWers) support abortion being legal at least up until the 2nd trimester (and in many cases part of the 2nd trimester)

 it is not a human until it has all the pre-requisties of being a human (especially sentientness and viabilty)

potentiality does NOT equal reality, never has, never will

I have logically destroyed your arguments multiple times

also the vast majority support LGBTQ basic rights (like same-sex marriage, and non discrimination laws in employment, housing, etc)

also, fuck your homophobic stance that being LGBTQ is 'Exhibitionism'

your are an open homophobe and can sod right off

seriously, fuck off with your hate campaign against us LGBTQ folk

you are flat out lying when you claim even liberals/LWers who do not support Trump are against these two things (abortion up to a point in time of the preganacy and LGBTQ rights)

their support is in the 80s or even 90s (percentages, depending on what study you choose) for those two issues

and also, EVERY state has passed abortion rights state constitutional amendments when they have been on the ballot, post Dobbs

even in every deep red, RW Republican state that has voted so far on them

you are both a proven, open bigot and a proven liar

your opinions are odious on multiple subjects

and although you are entitled to your own opinions, your are not entitled to your false 'facts'

and you most certainly are NOT entitled to being immune from push-back against your bigotry and your lies

 

Not every woman supports your opinion of abortion. 

Here some woman that done it and have regrets. 

 

[Vesper 30,091]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Not every woman supports your opinion of abortion. 

Here some woman that done it and have regrets. 

 

the majority do support my stance, overwhelmingly so in many nations

you can always find exceptions on any subject

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

3 hours ago, Fernando said:

Not every woman supports your opinion of abortion. 

Here some woman that done it and have regrets. 

 

This was an incredibly tough video to get through.

 

I think the key of pro choice is giving people a choice to make for themselves. If a woman doesnt want to have an aboriton, she shouldnt get one, and vice versa.

[DH1988 1,346]

Pages, articles, videos, you name it, a wealth of wasted time by all, it's a woman's body, it's her choice, no matter the circumstance. I tend to stay out of this section because depending which side you sit on people hardly ever come to an agreement due to media pressure and utter bias. The only thing I feel sorry for is the sheer fraud that goes on with the media in general misquoting or misrepresenting, surprising, you name it. Zero trust. As much as people like or dislike the platforms of today, I'm thankful they exist, including Rogan. If we all relied on CNN etc then we'd all be on the Kamala hype (likely to derail) train. I sit firmly in the middle of most topics in life because I simply don't know the facts, I'm not there. I know what I'm told or I read, which often times leans you one way, or the other way, with little fact, and I'm aware there is always the exception to the rule, I've seen some atrocious videos in the last two years, truly. 

America truly has the Midas touch of meddling in global affairs, so much so, they've neglected their own country for so long. If I would vote, I'd vote Trump, do I like him? Does that matter? Ultimately, if I were American, would the country be better off? I believe so, out of the two candidates presented. That's purely if I were American, though from a foreign policy perspective, do I also believe he'd stop the wars? Yes, and I'm definitely a fan of stopping innocent being ending up dead or displaced due to crazed loose politicians.

 

[Vesper 30,091]

1 hour ago, DH1988 said:

Ultimately, if I were American, would the country be better off? I believe so, out of the two candidates presented.

two points why Trump (there are dozens but I will just list 2) would be a disaster for the US

1. His insane tariff regime of 15, 20 per cent or so across the board for imports

2. His putting into action trying to deport 15 to 20 million people, utilising the US military, federal officers, stae and local officers, and also neighbour on neighbour Stasi-like rat-outs.

Both would crush the US economy, and the 2nd would also cause (Trump openly says it will be 'bloody as hell') untold kinetc violence across the US.

[Vesper 30,091]

Scottish comedian Janey Godley dies aged 63

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgxp3x1zx3o

 

 

This is the image that made her famous globally.

 

This is her last post from her deathbed (ovarian cancer).

Edited November 3, 2024 by Vesper

[Fernando 6,585]

6 hours ago, Vesper said:

the majority do support my stance, overwhelmingly so in many nations

you can always find exceptions on any subject

True. 

I always said I'm for it but only for rapes and health reasons. 

Other then that as @Sir Mikel OBE mentioned people should be free to choose. So if they want to do it no one should stop them but people should be caution as to the side effects. As many women suffer post traumatic effects. 

[Fernando 6,585]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

two points why Trump (there are dozens but I will just list 2) would be a disaster for the US

1. His insane tariff regime of 15, 20 per cent or so across the board for imports

2. His putting into action trying to deport 15 to 20 million people, utilising the US military, federal officers, stae and local officers, and also neighbour on neighbour Stasi-like rat-outs.

Both would crush the US economy, and the 2nd would also cause (Trump openly says it will be 'bloody as hell') untold kinetc violence across the US.

These are good points. This is what I wanted to hear from you. Your raw opinion info the negative outcome of a Trump victory. 

The tariff I'm a bit surprised at that. It's like he don't understand that say China gets this tarif the consumer will eventually has to pay...similar to minimum wage going up, the consumer will pay.... Unless you get cheap labor ie immigrants. 

And the second yes I'm against but I see it happening in the southern state not northern. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

Trump cannot deport 15 million.
Even if he has the legal basis to do that he can't.
It's hot air.
It would be an operation beyond Stalin and Mao.
The supporters won't like.

[Vesper 30,091]

33 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Trump cannot deport 15 million.
Even if he has the legal basis to do that he can't.
It's hot air.
It would be an operation beyond Stalin and Mao.
The supporters won't like.

If he wins, he will give it a real go.

There are no longer going to be any adults in the room to check his worst desires.

Those types did exist in the administration of his first term, and they did block a lot of his lunatic intiatives.

Same for a lot of non-partisan, career civil servant types who blocked a lot further downstream.

Those will be sacked and replaced by RW lunatic fringe types.

It will happen (or at least truly massive attempts will be made to make it so).

People who keep diminishing the threat potential eminating from Trump getting back into the US Precidency are engaging in normalcy bias, and/or denialism (often wilful), and/or are clinging to a faulty 'American exceptionalism' template (ie the old 'it can never happen here' posturing).

 

They are the new Neville Chamberlains.

 

How horrible, fantastic, incredible it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing.

on Germany's annexation of the Sudetenland, radio broadcast, 27 September 1938

 

This is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.

speech from 10 Downing Street, 30 September 1938

 

This morning, the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German government a final Note stating that, unless we heard from them by eleven o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.

radio broadcast, 3 September 1939

[Vesper 30,091]

Trump Wants to Execute My Friend

The aspiring dictator wants to intimidate us. We can’t let him.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-wants-to-execute-my-friend

By Adam Kinzinger

Nov 01, 2024

IT’S NOT EVERY DAY THE PRESIDENTIAL nominee of a major political party fantasizes out loud about putting your friend in the way of harm and violent death. Yet that’s just what Donald Trump did to Liz Cheney yesterday: “Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” he said. “And let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

In the context of criticizing Cheney as a warmonger, the recipient of five draft deferments who called America’s war dead “suckers” and “losers” was implying that she was a coward who would be unwilling to face the danger into which she sent others. Cheney is among the bravest people I know, but it’s important to note that Trump wasn’t just musing on her character. He didn’t phrase his thought as a hypothetical—I wonder how she’d feel if—but as an imperative: “Let’s put her.”

This is an ominous sign of an aspiring dictator who has abandoned any remaining notion of responsibility or respect for our democratic norms. Threats against fellow Americans—especially those who have taken courageous stands for truth and constitutional values—represent not only a moral failing but also a dangerous indicator of the direction we’re heading. This is personal for me, not just as a former colleague of Liz Cheney, but as someone who has also faced similar intimidation simply for doing my duty to the American people.

Liz is more than a political figure. She’s a mother, a daughter, a wife, and a friend. Like all of us, she wants to live in a country where her children are safe and where people respect differences of opinion. She deserves to do her work and live her life without fearing for her safety or that of her family. But Trump, standing against American history, sees no difference between disagreement and treason. This is a classic sign of autocratic rule, where leaders wield threats and intimidation against their opponents to quash dissent.

Democracies are delicate. They need nurturing, respect, and accountability. When leaders act with unchecked aggression and a disregard for lawful norms, history shows us that democracies do not just erode slowly—they collapse. From Rome to Weimar Germany, and many others since, democratic societies have crumbled when leaders no longer respect the people they serve. Our country is showing the early warning signs that we, too, may be at risk if we continue down this path.

Autocrats thrive by dividing people, ruling through fear, and eroding the institutions that ensure stability and prosperity. And make no mistake, economies fail under autocratic rule. They become isolated, lacking the confidence of the international community, and eventually, as resources dwindle and leadership becomes consumed with clinging to power, the people suffer. Those in power often gain fabulous wealth, but the people are almost always worse off.

If Trump’s rhetoric becomes the norm—if violence, threats, and intimidation replace dialogue and cooperation—then the future we’re looking at is one that should deeply concern every American, regardless of party. We will find ourselves in a country we no longer recognize, one where citizens are not equal under the law, and where the voices of the people are silenced or scared into submission.

Trump hasn’t killed anyone. He didn’t say he wanted to kill Cheney. But he has encouraged violence before. He has admired dictators for their brutality and aggression against defenseless, often innocent people. He incited an insurrection against the government that took the lives of multiple people. And he has predicated his whole campaign on revenge and retribution against those who oppose him—which, in his mind, is anyone who doesn’t actively support him.

We must reject Trump’s vision for America. For those who think that warnings about the fraying of democracy are hyperbolic or that it “could never happen here,” remember that every country that lost its democracy once thought the same thing.

 

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Adam Kinzinger represented Illinois as a Republican in the US House of Representatives between 2011 and 2023. He is a lieutenant colonel in the Illinois Air National Guard and author of a Substack newsletter.

[Vesper 30,091]

4 hours ago, Fernando said:

I always said I'm for it but only for rapes and health reasons.

I often see anti-abortion types say they oppose it because it is murder.

BUT

many of them also say they make exceptions

including for pregnacies that are the result of rape and/or incest.

 

Now, IF a person thinks abortion is murder, why would it matter HOW the pregnancy came about?

They (the forced birthers) already said abortion was murder, the murder of a human being.

Following their logic (ie the ones who make exceptions for rape and/or incest), I should be legally ok if I murder any already-born person who was the product of rape and/or incest.

The forced birthers are excusing murder (in this case pre birth) simply because of how the pregnancy came about.

Edited November 4, 2024 by Vesper