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[Fernando 6,585]

21 minutes ago, Vesper said:

The chances of the geo-political, geo-military, and geo-economic globally interlocked systems becoming negatively-impacted (potentially to massive levels) and starting to go into real crisis modes are profoundly greater under a Trump administration, (especially if the Republicans control all three branches of the American government, ie Judicial (they already control the SCOTUS by a 6 to 3 margin), Congress (both chambers, Senate and House), and the Executive branch (Trump as the POTUS), versus the Democrats controlling at least one (the Executive, ie Harris as POTUS).

 

So basically your concern is that the USA is run by Republicans? 

But the chance of geo-political escalation is there? How so since you and I agree that at this moment the biggest threat which is Russia, Trump will allow to dominate Ukraine. Basically put an end to that war. 

Now we have to see what he will do with Israel at this time. Maybe push for the state solution? 

The issue will be Iran what he will do....I think nothing. Because Iran is ally of Russia and since Russia is going to continue to get what they want no one will touch them, not even Trump. 

Geo economic, I thought we was good with Trump? And oil was cheaper under him? 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

UK could hand over potential war crimes evidence collected by RAF spy planes over Gaza

Evidence of potential war crimes collected by British spy planes operating over Gaza could be handed to the International Criminal Court, the UK has confirmed.

 

A spokesperson said that the UK would consider a request from international investigators to hand over any evidence the RAF spy planes have collected that might reveal evidence of war crimes.

The spokesperson said: "In line with our international obligations, we would consider any formal request from the International Criminal Court to provide information relating to investigations into war crimes."

The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in May said he is seeking arrest warrants against Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, and Yoav Gallant, the defence minister, for alleged war crimes.

Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant are also accused of "starvation of civilians as a method of warfare" and "intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population" from 8 October last year 

Sky News

[robsblubot 3,595]

5 hours ago, Fernando said:

January 6 was the people that did that not Trump. But I get it, the influence he had on these people was big.....

Yes I feel the same with Ukraine, Trump will help accelerate that conflict to a finish. 

And red flags I see it, but I still don't fathom what big end of the world catastrophe he will bring? More likely he gets killed half way then anything else. 

Now what will be the outcome of a Harris win? 

Accelerate a Putin win. His relationship with that dictator is weird to say the least. Wouldn’t surprise me if Putin feels encouraged and keeps going.

you clearly never received the full picture of Jan 6, which is the problem we have these days.

Nyt reported extensively about how much planning it took. The lack of national guard or any police response hours after it started…. Everything was planned and Trump speech as-is right there was pretty damning.

”fake electors” plot was part of it as well. Lots of information on it as it is part of the the federal lawsuit.

Fox News will never show any of it just like they will not show the raw footage. All of that can be found, but people *receive* their news nowadays not look for it.

I used to live in DC and there was more policing on a “tourist day” Sunday than that day.  

Edited October 25, 2024 by robsblubot

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Trump mocked for claiming 29,000 supporters flocked to see him work fryer at McDonald’s

Donald Trump has been mocked for claiming 29,000 supporters flocked to see him work the fryer at McDonald’s during his campaign stunt last weekend.

“We had 29,000 people surrounding it. We weren’t sure if we were able to get out,” Trump boasted at a rally in Las Vegas on Thursday night.

Witnesses said ''The restaurant was closed for 7 hours and lost hundreds of thousands of dollars''  Another said “There were maybe a hundred people or so outside around the mcdonalds [sic], not a small college football stadium capacity crowd.”

Trump has long become consumed with the size of his campaign rally crowds.

He falsely declared earlier in the campaign that his rally on January 6, 2021 – prior to the attack on the US Capitol – drew in a crowd that rivaled the size of the crowd that Martin Luther King Jr drew to watch his “I have a dream” speech in August 1963.

AP News

[Fernando 6,585]

15 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Accelerate a Putin win. His relationship with that dictator is weird to say the least. Wouldn’t surprise me if Putin feels encouraged and keeps going.

you clearly never received the full picture of Jan 6, which is the problem we have these days.

Nyt reported extensively about how much planning it took. The lack of national guard or any police response hours after it started…. Everything was planned and Trump speech as-is right there was pretty damning.

”fake electors” plot was part of it as well. Lots of information on it as it is part of the the federal lawsuit.

Fox News will never show any of it just like they will not show the raw footage. All of that can be found, but people *receive* their news nowadays not look for it.

I used to live in DC and there was more policing on a “tourist day” Sunday than that day.  

Yes I have not received the full picture of that January 6. But reading from you it does sounds insane. As part of someone who lives there I believe your credibility. 

Based on this it is a concern. Trump and his shenanigans like Jan 6 and Harris with the continuation of a Biden government.....

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

It did n't take days in 2020.
Wednesday noon European time it was finalised.

What are your books about?

[robsblubot 3,595]

Just now, Fernando said:

Yes I have not received the full picture of that January 6. But reading from you it does sounds insane. As part of someone who lives there I believe your credibility. 

Based on this it is a concern. Trump and his shenanigans like Jan 6 and Harris with the continuation of a Biden government.....

For the record, I really dislike Biden as president. He was a (career) politician for a different time… weak in general esp on immigration. Harris did not do a good job separating herself from some of his policies, mostly inactions of the president — I’m sure she’d act differently in certain cases.

inflation has little to do with Biden though. Perhaps a bit more with Trump and his tax breaks, but really it was the pandemic.

Democratic Party does not get how unpopular ID politics can be. Think there is plenty of evidence of that without needing to do any research.

Like I said, the issue I have with Trump is simple: he should’ve been disqualified from running.

it’s akin to a team in sports which lose then cheat to overturn the result. Say Chile fiasco at the Maracanan back then.

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

How far back are you going?

Also, Netanyahu atm is basically a dictator.

I go as far as 19th-20th century.
Netanyahu is elected by the Israelis and Likud has won and ost - Israel was always a democracy.
In the Arab world there are no democracies and the concept is alien.

[Vesper 30,085]

1 minute ago, cosmicway said:

Netanyahu is elected by the Israelis

Hitler was elected by the Germans

[Vesper 30,085]

4 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

In the Arab world there are no democracies and the concept is alien.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa

The state of Democracy in Middle East and North Africa can be comparatively assessed^[1] according to various definitions of democracy.^[2] De jure democracies in the Middle East and North Africa are according to system of government:

• Parliamentary republic: Iraq,^[3] Israel, Lebanon^[4]
• Presidential republic: Syria, Tunisia, Turkey
• Semi-presidential republic: Algeria, Egypt.

The V-Dem Democracy indices ranked in 2024 Iraq, Israel and Tunisia as the Middle Eastern and North African countries with the highest democracy scores.^[5] The Economist Group's Democracy Index rated in the region Israel as the only "flawed democracy" and no country as "full democracy" for year 2023.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

7 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

In the Arab world there are no democracies and the concept is alien.

Iran before the CIA coup was 100% democratic

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

More journalists killed in Gaza than any other conflict.

6 left in the North have been labelled ''terrorists'' by Israel, and are now targetted as well, citing ''documents'' they found 

The only problem is the Journalists would have been 10 years old at the time

[Vesper 30,085]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

Iran before the CIA coup was 100% democratic

1953 Iranian coup d'état

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

 

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد), was the U.S.- and British-instigated, Iranian army-led overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening the autocratic rule of the shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, on 19 August 1953, with the objectives being to protect British oil interests in Iran after its government refused to concede to western oil demands.^[5][6] It was instigated by the United States (under the name TP-AJAX Project^[7] or Operation Ajax) and the United Kingdom (under the name Operation Boot).^{[8][9][10][11]} This began a period of dissolution for Iranian democracy and society whose effects on civil rights are prevalent to this day.

Mosaddegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP), to verify that AIOC was paying the contracted royalties to Iran, and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves.^[12] Upon the AIOC's refusal to cooperate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize Iran's oil industry and to expel foreign corporate representatives from the country.^[13][14][15] After this vote, Britain instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.^[16] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the British-built Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee (in power until 1951) opted instead to tighten the economic boycott^[17] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.^[18]: 3 Judging Mosaddegh to be unamenable and fearing the growing influence of the communist Tudeh, UK prime minister Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided in early 1953 to overthrow Iran's government. The preceding Truman administration had opposed a coup, fearing the precedent that Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) involvement would set,^[18]: 3 and the U.S. government had been considering unilateral action (without UK support) to assist the Mosaddegh government as late as 1952.^[19][20][21] British intelligence officials' conclusions and the UK government's solicitations to the US were instrumental in initiating and planning the coup.

Following the coup, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the shah of Iran (Persian for 'king'),^[22] to rule more firmly as monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power.^{[13][14][15][23]} According to the CIA's declassified documents and records, some of the most feared mobsters in Tehran were hired by the CIA to stage pro-shah riots on 19 August.^[5] Other men paid by the CIA were brought into Tehran in buses and trucks and took over the streets of the city.^[24] Between 200^[3] and 300^[4] people were killed because of the conflict. Mosaddegh was arrested, tried and convicted of treason by the Shah's military court. On 21 December 1953, he was sentenced to three years in jail, then placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.^{[25]: 280 [26][27]} Other Mosaddegh supporters were imprisoned, and several received the death penalty.^[15] The coup strengthened the Shah's authority, and he continued to rule Iran for the next 26 years as a pro-Western monarch^[14][15] until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution in 1979.^{[14][15][18][28]}

In August 2013, the U.S. government formally acknowledged the U.S. role in the coup by releasing a bulk of previously classified government documents that show it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup. According to American journalist Stephen Kinzer, the operation included false flag attacks, paid protesters, provocations, the bribing of Iranian politicians and high-ranking security and army officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.^{[29][6][30][31]} The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government".^[32] In 2023, the CIA took credit for the coup,^[33] contradicting a previous scholarly assessment that the CIA had botched the operation.^[34][35][36]

[Vesper 30,085]

Donald Trump Suggests He Was Literally Anointed by God

The former president told a group of Christian voters that he was chosen by a “supernatural hand” and implied that his life was “saved” by divine intervention.

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/donald-trump-suggests-anointed-by-god

 

Seeking to shore up conservative Christian voters in North Carolina on Monday, Donald Trump cast himself as something of a religious warrior, anointed by the “supernatural hand” of God to win a second term in office. “I would like to think that God saved me for a purpose,” the former president told a gathering of conservative pastors in Concord, North Carolina, saying that his faith had deepened since the attempt on his life at a Pennsylvania rally in July. “And that’s to make our country greater than ever before.”

The remarks—which came a day after his vulgar rally rant about late golfer Arnold Palmer’s anatomy, and amid ever darker threats against his “evil” political opponents—were part of an effort to boost turnout among a voting bloc that had helped him to the White House in 2016, but that Trump said has a “reputation of not voting proportionately.”

“Christians and gun owners don’t vote,” Trump claimed.

Social conservatives had helped Trump win the presidency eight years ago, in no small part because of his vow to appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. They got their wish—Trump’s three appointments helped form a six-member conservative majority that ended federal abortion protections—but one of the few promises Trump kept has proved a major political liability for Republicans, as reproductive rights continue to animate Democratic and moderate voters. Trump has tried to dance around the issue this cycle, boasting about having “killed” Roe while suggesting he’s actually a moderate on abortion. Just last week, despite only recently learning about IVF from Alabama Senator Katie Britt, Trump went so far as to call himself the “father” of the procedure, rankling some conservative Christians eager for him to enact a national abortion ban.

While he continues to obfuscate the extremism of his anti-abortion agenda, Trump has sought to court the religious right by portraying Kamala Harris and the Democrats as radical heretics—and by making other promises to Christians. One among them, as he noted Monday, was nixing the Johnson Amendment of 1954, which prohibits churches and other non-profits from endorsing political candidates. “The radical left is not going to leave Christians alone,” Trump said at the “11th-Hour Faith Leaders Meeting” in North Carolina, a swing-state in next month’s election. “It’s going to get worse and worse, and you’re going to suffer greatly.”

Trump has never shied away from casting himself as the savior of the supposedly persecuted Christian conservative. But he, his allies, and his supporters have done so with even greater fervor since he survived an assassination attempt this summer in Butler, Pennsylvania: “If you didn’t believe in miracles before [the rally], you better be believing right now,” Senator Tim Scott said on stage at the Republican National Convention days after the shooting. “There is a hand of God on my father’s shoulder,” son Eric Trump said on a right-wing Christian podcast Monday, framing the election as a battle in a “constant war in this country against God.”

[cosmicway 1,333]

29 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Hitler was elected by the Germans

That does n't make him dictator.
Later (not much later) he became.