Politics & Stuff

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7 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

''Poisoning the blood of the Nation''.

like cosmic's commie targets

lol

[Fulham Broadway 16,869]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

like cosmic's commie targets

lol

Shes a bit of a honey. Hello, Komrade....💋

Surely even Kosmic would appreciate Marxism studies with her...

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Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

Shes a bit of a honey. Hello, Komrade....💋

Surely even Kosmic would appreciate Marxism studies with her...

Dialectical sexual materialism

[cosmicway 1,328]

13 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Shes a bit of a honey. Hello, Komrade....💋

Surely even Kosmic would appreciate Marxism studies with her...

What you say can't be done.
In fact I chanced upon one of those once upon a time.
Not the figure shown in the image, quite different but that's not the point.
Well she was reading a -sort of- Tory newspaper so I said to her I had the same ideas as the newspaper.
My reason obvious.
But as it transpired the woman had either picked up the newspaper from a table by chance or she was looking for something very particular in it - what was on the cinemas perhaps,
She was a commie.
Next day, still not knowing, I offered her a drink.
But before I had a chance to say "cheers" a door opened and some character -boyfriend maybe- walked in.
It was a trap.
The "boyfriend" said to me "you are a decadent capitalist, trying to seduce the working class girls - you are first on the list after the revolution",
Well, I had to depart hastily, what else could I do ?
The place was one of the London uni student halls.

But suppose there was an affair,
I 'd have to listen to her for hours about the new five year plan.
Let alone their jokes about toilet functions ...

Edited November 9 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 16,869]

30 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

The "boyfriend" said to me "you are a decadent capitalist, trying to seduce the working class girls - you are first on the list after the revolution",

Think he was having a laugh in all honesty

Those Moscow girls....

 

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18 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Think he was having a laugh in all honesty

Those Moscow girls....

 

No, smarmy face, a barmy sort.
In fact the same one had seen me at West Ham one day - near Upton park.
He asks me what I was doing there and I said I go to see the Hammers.
But I found it too boring to go to the Hammers and I went to a fish and chips instead.
Then he sees me again and now became very suspicious.
Says you lied to me, you are here for spying.
Then later he was the one who saved the working class girl ...

Edited November 9 by cosmicway

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2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

I agree but he said  on Thursday to NBC News that one of his first priorities upon taking office in January was to make the border “strong and powerful.”

My friend from NYC told me many Latinos he knows entered the country normally on border by giving cash to border control.  Not even large sums. 500, 600$. How is Trump going to stop that?

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Just now, NikkiCFC said:

My friend from NYC told me many Latinos he knows entered the country normally on border by giving cash to border control.  Not even large sums. 500, 600$. How is Trump going to stop that?

True he has a job on his hands - I suppose if you do enter having paid $5-600 you'd never have peace of mind. With a traffic stop, medical emergency, Social security requisite - you're found out immediately.

I think the difference is up until now authorities/employers turned a blind eye as its a profitable source of cheap labour. But now he says they're all criminals and rapists

....hes in good company then

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17 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

No, smarmy face, a barmy sort.
In fact the same one had seen me at West Ham one day - near Upton park.
He asks me what I was doing there and I said I go to see the Hammers.
But I found it too boring to go to the Hammers and I went to a fish and chips instead.
Then he sees me again and now became very suspicious.
Says you lied to me, you are here for spying.
Then later he was the one who saved the working class girl ...

So you could have been a closet claret then !

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1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

She was a commie.
Next day, still not knowing, I offered her a drink.
But before I had a chance to say "cheers" a door opened and some character -boyfriend maybe- walked in.
It was a trap.
The "boyfriend" said to me "you are a decadent capitalist, trying to seduce the working class girls - you are first on the list after the revolution"

sounds like a 1968 pulp fiction novella

Better Head From a Red

[Vesper 28,880]

37 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Those Moscow girls....

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2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

 

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David Lammy has dismissed his previous comments about Donald Trump as “old news” and insisted they will not affect Britain’s relationship with the next US president.

 

lol

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36 minutes ago, Vesper said:

David Lammy has dismissed his previous comments about Donald Trump as “old news” and insisted they will not affect Britain’s relationship with the next US president.

 

lol

So many duplicitous cunts in main stream politics

Lammy used to be left wing Tottenham MP, gradually assimilated into a boring right wing twat, more interested in expenses and boozy lunches. Another paid up member of the 'all expenses Tel Aviv holiday set parroting the ubiquitous ''israel has the right to defend itself''line when asked about starvation, cholera, polio, cutting off of water, electricity etc

I would actually love it if Trump blanks him

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Thousands of people have joined a pro-Palestinian demonstration in Dublin, calling for sanctions on Israel and its immediate expulsion from the United Nations.

The large crowd marched from the Garden of Remembrance through the Irish capital towards its parliament buildings, one day after an election was formally announced.

 

The activists expressed anger at the Irish Government’s failure to pass legislation designed to restrict trade with Israeli settlements in Palestine before the dissolution of the Dail parliament on Friday.

Demonstrators, some wearing keffiyehs and waving banners and Palestinian flags, stopped for a series of speeches outside Leinster House.

 

Speakers led chants of “free, free Palestine” and addressed the large crowd on the escalating conflict in the Middle East.

Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign chairwoman Zoe Lawlor said: “Palestinians know and we know – the ICJ has ruled it – occupation is illegal, apartheid is illegal, forced deplacement is illegal and our Government has to name these crimes.

 

“Denying that it is apartheid and genocide is a way to avoid sanctioning these crimes and we won’t tolerate it any longer.

“We are sick of endless words of concern and condemnations, it is meaningless unless it is turned into action.”

It is the 11th national rally since October 2023 and protesters again demanded sanctions on Israel.

 

The march called for states to stop arming Israel, an end to the use of Irish airspace for transporting weapons, and for “an end to Israel’s genocidal assault on the people of Gaza”.

They called for the enactment of the Occupied Territories Bill, along with the Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill and legislation on arms embargo.

 

In addition, it demanded that the Government ceases trade with Israel and refuses any planned return of the Israeli ambassador from Tel Aviv.

Speakers at the rally included Gazan activist Mazen Abughali, Palestinian activist and videographer Abdaal Salim, Palestinian photojournalist Eman Mohammed from Gaza, People Before Profit candidate Richard Boyd Barrett and UpLift campaigns director Brian Cuthbert.

Other election candidates at the rally included People Before Profit’s Paul Murphy, Labour leader Ivana Bacik, independent candidate Clare Daly and Social Democrat Sinead Gibney.

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People march between the Garden of Remembrance and the Dail in Dublin (Gareth Chaney/PA) (PA Wire)

The large crowd marched from the Garden of Remembrance through the Irish capital towards its parliament buildings (Gareth Chaney/PA) (PA Wire)

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important article

Dem Insiders Begged Team Harris Not to Campaign With Liz Cheney

“People don’t want to be in a coalition with the devil,” says a Democratic source who was appalled by Harris’ embrace of Dick Cheney

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/harris-cheney-democrats-campaign-trump-election-2024-1235158805/

 

Kamala Harris’ 2024 campaign started out fun. It opened with the politics of joy, and a hearty dose of mockery aimed at Donald Trump and his running mate, J.D. Vance. The campaign quickly adopted a different tack — attempting to project strength and leadership, while courting support from Republicans concerned about the threat posed by Trump. 

 

That approach culminated with Harris campaigning with former Republican Rep. Liz Cheney and touting an endorsement from her father, former Vice President and Iraq War architect Dick Cheney. The pitch bombed with Republicans, as Democrats’ share of moderates and independents fell and overall Democratic support crumbled, too. 

 

Now, several Democratic operatives and insiders tell Rolling Stone they tried to convince the Harris campaign and her allies that palling around with the Cheneys was a bad idea with little upside — and could harm Harris’ support among disaffected Democratic voters. The sources requested anonymity to discuss sensitive intraparty matters.

 

One source close to the Harris campaign tells Rolling Stone they reached out to several staffers in and around the campaign to voice concerns about the candidate embracing Dick and Liz Cheney. 

 

“People don’t want to be in a coalition with the devil,” says the source, speaking about Dick Cheney. They say a Harris staffer responded that it was not the staff’s role to challenge the campaign’s decisions. 

 

A Democratic strategist says they warned key Harris surrogates and top-level officials at the Democratic National Committee that campaigning with Liz Cheney — and making the campaign’s closing argument about how many Republicans were supporting Harris — was highly unlikely to motivate any new swing voters, and risked dissuading already-despondent, infrequent Democratic voters who had supported Biden in 2020.

 

The strategist says they also attempted to have big donors and battleground state party chairs convey the same argument to the Harris campaign.  

 

Another Democratic operative close to Harrisworld says they sent memos and data to Harris campaign staffers underscoring how, among other things, Republican voters, believe it or not, vote Republican — and that the data over the past year screamed that Democrats instead needed to reassure and energize the liberal base and Dem-leaning working class in battleground states. “We were told, basically, to get lost, no thank you,” says the operative. 

 

A Harris spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

 

Following the Harris campaign’s crushing loss to Trump, there’s an argument to be made that Democrats never really stood a chance this election cycle, given Joe Biden’s unpopularity and Americans’ unhappiness with a brutal economy. 

 

But Harris exerted far more effort attempting to appeal to Republicans, moderates, and independents than the Democratic base — which has been demoralized, in part, by Biden’s continued support for Israel’s brutal war in Gaza. 

 

Exit polls suggest Democrats had major turnout issues; the portion of the 2024 electorate that identified as Democrat declined significantly compared to past presidential elections.

 

Former White House Press Secretary and MSNBC host Jen Psaki said Friday on Morning Joe that Democrats had spent too much time listening to and lifting up Republicans who left Trump and the Never Trump movement.

 

“The people who left the Democratic Party are the people who are going to win in the future,” she said. “The people who left Trump, the Never Trumpers — who have important voices — that is not a winning coalition.” 

 

Interestingly, Bill Kristol, a top Never Trump Republican, publicly urged Harris in the final weeks of the campaign to pitch a progressive, populist economic message against Trump and his army of billionaire supporters. 

 

In late October, he wrote on X: “Feels like maybe Kamala Harris should embrace Elizabeth Warren’s Ultra-Millionaire Tax and barnstorm on that for the next ten days.”

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Is Trump going to take over the UK ?
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Trump is definitely anti-European.
He has already surrendered Ukraine and it was announced.
There is an unspoken alliance with Putin, an uneasy alliance like the Molotov-Rimbendrop pact but it's there.
How to hurt Europe most effectively ?
There is going to be economic war and France - Germany - Italy are the main antagonists of course. Italy despite its right wing government of Giorgia Meloni is a Fiat country and it's difficult to see it as a Trump country.
But Trump has to play divide and rule.
He already has Hungary and Slovakia. Now he must turn to UK, to Nigel and Badenoch but he will also try to aproach Starmer. He needs the UK as a kind of 51st state.
If he does n't conquer UK then his European policy fails.

Now what will Putin do ?
There is no such thing as international Putinism. With the Soviet Union each and every country of the world had its own Soviet client party.
Those parties were not enjoying much success but they were the official representatives, they dreamed of Soviet tanks rolling in their streets one day.
Putin on the other hand seems to currently enjoy the support of some individuals in every country and of some small loosely pro-Putin small political parties.
In 2015 he was invited by Tsipras-Varoufakis to take over Greece but he said "I 'm not giving a rouble - fix your economic issues with frau Merkel".
Putin must learn that no money - no honey. The Americans at their peak knew that of course.
 

Edited November 10 by cosmicway

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Is Trump the equivalent of brexit ?
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Brexit preceded Trump by six months.
Are they exact equivalents or not ?

Trump propaganda places a lot of emphasis on illegal immigration and ways of stopping it.
This has always been an issue in America.
There is the infamous episode of St Louis (the film "voyage of the damned").
Also in the years before the war they enacted many laws making immigration to America illegal.
It used to be free for all and that's how America was created, then it was to a big extent limited.
But in modern years it's the Mexican border.
For us in Europe the Mexican people are the least likely immigrants or illegal immigrants, for them it is virtually the only type.

For brexit now brexit propaganda could not talk about illegal immigrants from Europe.
There was no such thing.
Illegal immigration and refugees from Asia-Africa to everywhere in Europe yes, but that could n't have anything to do with membership of the EU.

Brexit propaganda then was based on some other topics:

1st - Sovereignity
2nd - Lack of democracy
3d  - Economy (the contributions)
4th - Freedom of movement

1-2-3 are false, cannot stand to even elementary logic.

- Sovereignity. There is no loss of sovereignity. The EU in reality is nothing but a pow-wow of chiefs plus a little red carpet. They agree on something, they do it. They don't agree, 
they don't do it. Also UK dictated most of the agreements now in force (it was n't Greece and it was n't Portugal who dictated !). We like to tear up all the treaties we have signed
except the NATO treaty might be a more honest thing to say.

- Lack of ... democracy. But are n't all of the nations representatives in Brussels, the commissionaires, people who have been previously elected in their countries ? The euro mps also.
More democracy would necessitate Europe to become one state, something the brexiters certainly would n't like !

- The economy. The contributions to the EU budget were too heavy, Britain alone would ... conquer the seas. That backfired hopelessly, no seas have been conquered, no unicorns.

- To stop freedom of movement. This is the one and only reason for brexit. To prevent the Europeans from working in the UK as well as the Britons who want to work in Europe.
The Europeans are of course advanced nations and no harm could come out free movement but the bigots had it.
And as for Britons who want to go abroad, they lied about it. Boris Johnson said in 2016 "the British people will continue to enjoy the freedom of traveling and working in any European country of their choice !". As if that was possible under any sort of brexit !!!

I really cannot accept that any Trump lies even compare to the brexit lies.
So the two are equivalent in the sense that racism and bigotry played a huge role.
The Trump voters had an additional number of secondary reasons to prefer him instead of the democratic candidate, the brexit voters were duped lock stock and barrel.

Edited November 10 by cosmicway