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[cosmicway 1,333]

2 hours ago, robsblubot said:

That's irrelevant tho.

He would lose support (financial too) if he did that. This is not a popular subject despite of what some news tried. Would also be a very easy target for the GOP and Trump.

Regarding the elections, I still think it's early to be watching polls; people are not even thinking about it, again, despite of what the media wants you to believe. Until then perhaps Biden will come to his sense, or lose them enough that people will get him out of the race.
Any non-Biden from the dem can win against Trump.

Maybe.
Remember Dukakis ?
He was clear ahead of Bush until mid-August, September.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

5 hours ago, robsblubot said:

That's irrelevant tho.

He would lose support (financial too) if he did that. This is not a popular subject despite of what some news tried. Would also be a very easy target for the GOP and Trump.

Regarding the elections, I still think it's early to be watching polls; people are not even thinking about it, again, despite of what the media wants you to believe. Until then perhaps Biden will come to his sense, or lose them enough that people will get him out of the race.
Any non-Biden from the dem can win against Trump.

Yea I dont think it buries him too bad, but it will hurt him

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Edited May 30, 2024 by Sir Mikel OBE

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37 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Yea I dont think it buries him too bad, but it will hurt him

According to the polls, not really.

Biden issues are different. Reckon if trump gets convicted, fat chance of that, Biden could even drop off the race.

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Just now, robsblubot said:

According to the polls, not really.

Biden issues are different. Reckon if trump gets convicted, fat chance of that, Biden could even drop off the race.

that did not age well at all! 🤣

The orange mobster got convicted!

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[cosmicway 1,333]

This Trump conviction has holes in it.
First of all consider that no responsible Trump campaign funder would ever object if some of the money was used for sexy purposes.
So who is Trump's natural court here ?
The state or the funders who actually have no problem ?
At most we have here an irregularity that concerns VAT.
A different issue might arise if sex orgies were illegal, federal offense, but they 're not.
Or if the whistle blower was a virgin, but she's not.
So I don't expect it will have a political effect.

 

Edited May 31, 2024 by cosmicway

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25 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

This Trump conviction has holes in it.
First of all consider that no responsible Trump campaign funder would ever object if some of the money was used for sexy purposes.
So who is Trump's natural court here ?
The state or the funders who actually have no problem ?
At most we have here an irregularity that concerns VAT.
A different issue might arise if sex orgies were illegal, federal offense, but they 're not.
Or if the whistle blower was a virgin, but she's not.
So I don't expect it will have a political effect.

 

Don't think what you wrote is relevant to the trial.

"The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office’s case went like this: With Trump’s approval, his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, paid adult film star Stormy Daniels $130,000 to stay silent about an alleged sexual encounter so as not to derail Trump’s 2016 campaign. Trump then approved a fraudulent scheme to disguise the reimbursement to Cohen as legal expenses to hide the hush money.
In doing so, he ran afoul of election rules, prosecutors said, which amounted to “election fraud, pure and simple.” https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c288wpj1glyo

Regarding whether this will hurt his chances, it's hard to say, but it certainly does not improve them. His base is like a cult following, so nothing would move them.
On the other hand, the fact that he is now a convicted felon may swing just enough votes in the key battleground states -- remember the electoral college.

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1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

This Trump conviction has holes in it.
First of all consider that no responsible Trump campaign funder would ever object if some of the money was used for sexy purposes.
So who is Trump's natural court here ?
The state or the funders who actually have no problem ?
At most we have here an irregularity that concerns VAT.
A different issue might arise if sex orgies were illegal, federal offense, but they 're not.
Or if the whistle blower was a virgin, but she's not.
So I don't expect it will have a political effect.

 

No, there are no legal holes of any true import in it. He directed a criminal conspiracy that engaged in an illegal coverup of hush money with the now proven intent of campaign interference.

I doubt he sees prison time but for the reat of his life he will be a convicted felon. This will not be overturned on appeal, barring the corrupt RW SCOTUS committing national suicide by getting involved in a state case and unconstitutionally somehow giving Trump immunity. 

IF they do that (and that is FAR from the only thing they may do to cause a massive inflection point, many of them nothing to do with Trump) they put the country on a course where the SCOTUS may well just be ignored and the Union of the States starts to unwind if things go truly pear shaped.

[cosmicway 1,333]

33 minutes ago, Vesper said:

No, there are no legal holes of any true import in it. He directed a criminal conspiracy that engaged in an illegal coverup of hush money with the now proven intent of campaign interference.

I doubt he sees prison time but for the reat of his life he will be a convicted felon. This will not be overturned on appeal, barring the corrupt RW SCOTUS committing national suicide by getting involved in a state case and unconstitutionally somehow giving Trump immunity. 

IF they do that (and that is FAR from the only thing they may do to cause a massive inflection point, many of them nothing to do with Trump) they put the country on a course where the SCOTUS may well just be ignored and the Union of the States starts to unwind if things go truly pear shaped.

I know of no politician who was disliked because of sexy encounters.
By his opponents maybe - look at the Greek anthology on Demetra Lianis.
But not by his voters.
Look at Henry the eighth, the all time British hero king.
It is bordering on the edge.

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17 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

I know of no politician who was disliked because of sexy encounters.
By his opponents maybe - look at the Greek anthology on Demetra Lianis.
But not by his voters.
Look at Henry the eighth, the all time British hero king.
It is bordering on the edge.

This has nothing to do with sex in terms if illegality. That is what the RW (SO hypocritically) is trying to spin it as.

Trump committed election interference via a conspiracy to pay and hide hush money. The 'grab em by the pussy tape' had just dropped, and if the story that he was fucking a porn star whilst his wife was home pregnant with his child would have hit, he would have been fucked.