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[cosmicway 1,333]

52 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Trump is the biggest con artist to ever live. I'd never vote for him. Right now I'd simply vote democrat down ballot and leave the president question blank.

 

I do think democrat campaigners do themselves a disservice with the hyperbole surrounding him though because its always the same bucket they take to the well. Every 4 years we get doom-splained about how the next republican boogeyman will be the one who "Takes all of our rights" and "ends the world" but at the end of the day its all trash. 12 years ago "Money Mitt" was going to end civilization as we know it, but 2 years after that he was "One of the good ones" because he saw Trump for the grifter he was? Bush is better than trump after sending our generation to die in a war built on a lie that killed millions? Its all kabuki, and its always been. 

 

The current betting is Trump 2.00, Biden 2.10.
As for the closest to end the world that might have been Barry Goldwater (*), but Trump is also a good candidate.
During his term he was checked by the Congress but he is a good candidate.
That he wants to hand Europe to his friend Putin is undisputed.

(*) I remember back in 1964 the most rabid of rabid Greek conservative press were carrying daily editorials in favour of LBJ and against Goldwater - the monster with the nukes

Edited May 3, 2024 by cosmicway

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

39 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

The current betting is Trump 2.00, Biden 2.10.
As for the closest to end the world that might have been Barry Goldwater (*), but Trump is also a good candidate.
During his term he was checked by the Congress but he is a good candidate.
That he wants to hand Europe to his friend Putin is undisputed.

(*) I remember back in 1964 the most rabid of rabid Greek conservative press were carrying daily editorials in favour of LBJ and against Goldwater - the monster with the nukes

Thing is, I dont believe he is a good candidate and the evidence backs it up.

 

He won a tight election(in which he lost the popular vote by a wide margin) against a lady who had been vilified for decades prior. his mid terms his candidates have been embarrassed each time. He then lost a presidential election. He has only proven he can beat a historically unpopular woman.

Also the idea that Barry "Muh rights to discriminate" Goldwater was going to end the world was literally doom-splaining by the Democrats working for Johnson:

For the record I believe Johnson was one of the best Presidents in American history, but the same rhetoric was used there. Goldwater would have been an objectively worse president, but he wouldn't have ended the world any more than any other "leader"

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

And the never trumper shit is a tale as old as time:

We are expected to believe the party which trafficks in white supremacy, xenophobia, ignorance, and general hatred among other things is above the Orange man?

Trump is a pice of shit not because he is different from the GOP, but because HE IS THEM. If it wasn't him it would be someone else whether its some small dick punk yelling at Obama during his address, or some small dick punks crying in the streets with their tea party about how a man with a white mom that was born in Kanas isnt American, some christian trying to blow me up in my hometown at the olympics because Jesus told him that women shouldn't get abortions, or some small dick punks smiling in Reagans face as he started his presidential campaign in a small Mississippi town that just 15 years before was the place freedom riders met their end. Thats the party, he's no different.

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Conservatives crushed by ‘worst local election result’ in years

Spread of Tory losses leads former minister to say there’s ‘no such thing as a safe seat any more’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/03/tories-face-worst-local-election-results-40-years-sunak-sunak

The Conservatives are facing one of their worst local election results in 40 years, with striking Labour gains across England and Wales in key battlegrounds they need to secure victory at the general election.

The spread of the Conservative losses led one former minister to claim there was “no such thing really as a safe Tory seat any more”, but the prime minister appeared committed to clinging on until polling day, with rebels in his own party lacking the support to oust him.

The polling expert Prof John Curtice of Strathclyde University said the results added up to “one of the worst, if not the worst” performances by the Conservatives in four decades.

The party is expected to lose up to 500 seats when all votes are counted, with Labour advancing in areas of both the “red wall” north won by the Tories under Boris Johnson and the traditional southern Conservative heartlands.

Keir Starmer hailed “seismic” results, including winning a landslide byelection in Blackpool South, with the third largest swing since the second world war, as well as mayoralties in the East Midlands, North East and North Yorkshire, which covers Sunak’s own constituency.

Labour also ousted a number of Tory police and crime commissioners, and took control of at least seven new councils, including in Buckinghamshire, Essex, Hampshire and Sussex in the south of England.

Overall, Starmer’s party won at least 190 new council seats to reach a total of more than 1,000 seats, while the Liberal Democrats also made gains in the south and west, adding at least 70 more seats to reach at least 440.

But in a warning sign for the main parties, there was also a strong showing for the Green party, which won more than 150 seats and narrowly missed out on overall control in Bristol, and independent party candidates, who won 250 seats amid disillusionment with Westminster politics and Labour’s stance on Gaza. George Galloway’s Workers’ party of Britain won three seats in Rochdale, residents’ associations took 14, and the Women’s Equality party gained its first councillor.

A projected national share of the vote produced by the BBC on Friday suggested Labour was on 34% of the vote, the Conservatives on 25%, the Lib Dems on 17% and others on 24%.

Despite heavy losses for the government, the Conservatives pointed to pockets of success such as the Tory mayor Ben Houchen holding on in Tees Valley, and Andy Street likely to keep his mayoralty in the West Midlands on Saturday. Both men had distanced themselves from the Conservatives’ Westminster politics.

The Conservatives also very narrowly held on to Harlow council in Essex, which had been a Labour target, and there were claims that Susan Hall, the Tory London mayoral candidate, had run Labour’s Sadiq Khan closer than predicted.

Sunak appeared alongside Houchen in Tees Valley on Friday, but said little about the wider national picture. He accused Labour of trying to “stroll back in” to Tees Valley and said he was sure that the region’s voters would stick with the Tories at a general election – despite a swing in the mayoralty suggesting the opposition would have won all parliamentary seats in the area.

Sunak’s team had been braced for the possibility of a challenge to his leadership if Houchen and Street lost. However, Tory MPs said the rebels had abandoned plans to attempt to oust him and favoured getting him to take the blame for a likely defeat in a general election this autumn.

The only voice calling for him to resign outright was David Campbell Bannerman, the former Tory and Ukip MEP, who chairs the grassroots Conservative Democratic Organisation. Bannerman described Sunak as a “terrible prime minister: not a Tory, no vision, no charisma, no campaigning ability” and called for him to “step aside now and go to California where he will excel in AI”.

Kwasi Kwarteng, the Conservative MP and former chancellor, told LBC that there was “no such thing really as a safe Tory seat any more” but he also said it was not the right time to change leader as “stability and consolidation” were needed.

The results are likely to deepen the schism within the Conservatives about whether the party should swing to the right to squeeze the Reform party, led by Richard Tice, which came within 100 votes of the Tories in Blackpool South but gained no councillors.

Andrea Jenkyns, the only Conservative MP who has publicly acknowledged sending a letter of no confidence in Sunak, instead called for a “war reshuffle” to bring back former ministers Suella Braverman, Robert Jenrick, Priti Patel and Jacob Rees-Mogg. She also told GB News that Sunak could consider trying to do a deal with the Reform party, which polled 16.9% to the Conservatives’ 17.5% in Blackpool South.

But a leading one nation Conservative MP and former minister said this would be a “daft idea” that would lead Sunak to cede even more centre ground to Labour, and he would need to “hold his nerve” and hope that Reform loses its appeal at a general election.

Tim Bale, professor of politics at Queen Mary University of London, said: “The Conservatives are much more vulnerable to their left and their centre than to their right.

“It’s easy to see Reform pose a threat to some Conservative MPs but the closer they move to Reform-style policies, the more people they put off on their other flank.”

He also said Labour “perhaps weren’t doing as well as in the run-up to 1997, but if you look at where they have won, they do seem to be winning in the right places – in Swindon, Milton Keynes, Thurrock, and the East Midlands mayoralty and the big swing against Ben Houchen in Tees Valley – then a lot of parliamentary seats, if they are anything like the same way as in the locals, will end up going to Labour.”

Edited May 3, 2024 by Vesper

[cosmicway 1,333]

9 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Thing is, I dont believe he is a good candidate and the evidence backs it up.

I mean good candidate to end the world.

[robsblubot 3,595]

On 02/05/2024 at 03:32, cosmicway said:

However all the stories about the holy inquisition are grossly exaggerated - by Hammer films and the like.
During the 800-900 years of holy inquisition only 1800 people were burned and many of them were real criminals.
Capital punishment was the norm everywhere and the states killed many many more for the pettiest of offenses.
As for Spain they were no worse than the British with the witchfinder general (Vincent Price).
But the anglosaxon propaganda made the Spanish inquisition look much meaner than it really was and there was a reason for it as Britain and Spain were bitter enemies.

Only 1800 people burned?! someone deserves a medal! 😆

Seriously, that's just cherry picking one metric.

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Pope Francis has asked forgiveness from the Indigenous peoples of Latin America for the many crimes committed by the Catholic church during the “so-called conquest.”

That was actual "genocide" as the indigenous people were pretty much targeted and exterminated or enslaved because of their race.

"The population of Indigenous Americans is estimated to have decreased from approximately 145 million to around 7-15 million between the late 15th and late 17th centuries, representing a decline of around 90-95%.[59]" 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Indigenous_peoples

We learn this stuff in high school in Brazil--very catholic population too.

Edited May 3, 2024 by robsblubot

[cosmicway 1,333]

43 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Only 1800 people burned?! someone deserves a medal! 😆

Seriously, that's just cherry picking one metric.

That was actual "genocide" as the indigenous people were pretty much targeted and exterminated or enslaved because of their race.

"The population of Indigenous Americans is estimated to have decreased from approximately 145 million to around 7-15 million between the late 15th and late 17th centuries, representing a decline of around 90-95%.[59]" 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Indigenous_peoples

We learn this stuff in high school in Brazil--very catholic population too.

That was "los conquistadores" not the catholic church.
You might as well blame the catholic church for Mussolini's fascist regime who were catholics in name and did similar things.
The holy inquisition as such burned only 1800 people throughout its existence.
But the Americans who were not catholics were doing the same - the witches of Salem. You could say to the court that such and such is a witch because you saw it in a dream and that was acceptable evidence,
That was before the revolution and the king of England dispatched judges to America who ruled that evidence based on dreams could no longer be accepted by a court.

Edited May 3, 2024 by cosmicway

[robsblubot 3,595]

9 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

That was "los conqustadores" not the catholic church.
You might as well blame the catholic church for Mussolini's fascist regime who were catholics in name and did similar things.
The holy inquisition as such burned only 1800 people throughout its existence.
But the Americans who were not catholics were doing the same - the witches of Salem. You could say to the court that such and such is a witch because you saw it in a dream and that was acceptable evidence,
That was before the revolution and the king of England dispatched judges to America who ruled that evidence based on dreams could no longer be accepted by a court.

the Catholic Church played a huge part in the conquest in SA.
Pope Francis has asked forgiveness from the Indigenous peoples of Latin America for the many crimes committed by the Catholic church during the “so-called conquest.” (2015)

Once again, we learn this stuff in high school and have known this all my life. It was very much the Catholic Church however you want to call it. There is a reason Brazil has the largest Catholic population in the world.

Regarding the Mussolini, that was exactly my point earlier: that being religious does not seem to make anyone more or less "good" (also a definition that changes drastically decade to decade). I pointed out that the Italian mafia were in general very religious catholic, and reckon that did not make them any better.

Edited May 3, 2024 by robsblubot

[cosmicway 1,333]

6 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

the Catholic Church played a huge part in the conquest in SA.
Pope Francis has asked forgiveness from the Indigenous peoples of Latin America for the many crimes committed by the Catholic church during the “so-called conquest.” (2015)

Once again, we learn this stuff in high school and have known this all my life. It was very much the Catholic Church however you want to call it. There is a reason Brazil has the largest Catholic population in the world.

Regarding the Mussolini, that was exactly my point earlier: that being religious does not seem to make anyone more or less "good" (also a definition that changes drastically decade to decade). I pointed out that the Italian mafia were in general very religious catholic, and reckon that did not make them any better.

There were some priests in it, in league with the conquistadores, but not the catholic church.
These days too we are witnessing this with the covid vaccine.
There are quite a few priests in league with the "sprayed ones", the "psec people" as we call them, but not the church itself.

[Vesper 30,090]

Milwaukee Vegan Cafe Owner Appears With Trump, Assails Migrants.

She said her business did better when Trump was president.

The catch?

“Gray’s restaurant on Wells St. opened in August 2023, more than two years after Trump left office.”

 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,301]

16 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Milwaukee Vegan Cafe Owner Appears With Trump, Assails Migrants.

She said her business did better when Trump was president.

The catch?

“Gray’s restaurant on Wells St. opened in August 2023, more than two years after Trump left office.”

 

 

Right wingers definitely have the edge when being 'economical with the truth', would win the Blatant Lying Cunts event at 2024 Paris Olympics

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peak (well, I am sure they can actually do worse) Jewish hasbara gaslighting and racist AF baiting and hate from these two similar videos (obviously a template is being used to push this bollocks

trigger alert, this shite is hyper fucking irritating

the US Democratic party chatboard I read has been overrun with the worst sort of ultra zionist 'Israel has the right to do ANYTHING it wants and you are a Nazi jew hater if you say anything against that' cunts of the highest (lowest perhaps is a better descriptive) order

they post dross like this non stop for months and pack attack anyone who says anything against the death and destruction that the RW Netanyahu regime and his lunatic base have done to the Gazans and the West Bankers

some openly call for every single Arab/Muslim to be driven out of Gaza and the West Bank, and to kill anyone who resists, plus they advocate for eventually tossing out all the non Jews in Israel proper

 

 

Edited May 5, 2024 by Vesper

[robsblubot 3,595]

24 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Right wingers definitely have the edge when being 'economical with the truth', would win the Blatant Lying Cunts event at 2024 Paris Olympics

False equivalence helps them a lot both in social and news media.

One of these days CNN had an article reporting on what the polls (gallup and others) regarding the next election, and the middle east debacle appears to only be popular in Social Media. It won't swing the election for any groups.
Immigration is the thing that can hurt Biden, which is hardly a surprise.

Edited May 5, 2024 by robsblubot

[Vesper 30,090]

21 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Right wingers definitely have the edge when being 'economical with the truth', would win the Blatant Lying Cunts event at 2024 Paris Olympics

this is the RW MAGA liar from that article

a 'step n' fetchit for Trumpy' sold-out PoC

Shana Gray

https://www.linkedin.com/in/shana-gray-a0481434/

 

Plant based vegan food services

Gray Jett Enterprises, LLC

University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States 

 

 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,301]

54 minutes ago, Vesper said:

peak (well, I am sure they can actually do worse) Jewish hasbara gaslighting and racist AF baiting and hate from these two similar videos (obviously a template is being used to push this bollocks

trigger alert, this shite is hyper fucking irritating

the US Democratic party chatboard I read has been overrun with the worst sort of ultra zionist 'Israel has the right to do ANYTHING it wants and you are a Nazi jew hater if you say anything against that' cunts of the highest (lowest perhaps is a better descriptive) order

they post dross like this non stop for months and pack attack anyone who says anything against the death and destruction that the RW Netanyahu regime and his lunatic base have done to the Gazans and the West Bankers

some openly call for every single Arab/Muslim to be driven out of Gaza and the West Bank, and to kill anyone who resists, plus they advocate for eventually tossing out all the non Jews in Israel proper

 

 

Yup the total dehumanising of Palestinians. When people are brainwashed into believing some people arent human it becomes easier to commit genocide.

The nazis with jews 39-45, Rwanda genocide Hutus and Tutsis, Pol Pot Cambodia, Serbs and Croats, etc