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[cosmicway 1,282]

I found the percentages:

LAB 34%
CON 24%
RFM 14%
LD 12%
GRN 7%
SNP 2%
SINFEIN 1%
DUP 1%
various 4%

So from those we can investigate the brexit situation.
Definitely pro-brexit parties = CON + RFM + DUP = 30%
Definitely anti-brexit parties = LD + GRN + SNP = 21%
Who knows = LAB = 34%

Starmer says he likes brexit to continue but his voters don't follow.
They may not press but don't follow.
So what is the estimated percentage of brexiters in the Labour party ?
Those are divided into "red wall" and trotskyites but how many are there ?

It very much looks now as if Farage defeated the Tories and not Starmer !
The combination Tories + Farage scores higher than Labour !
It does n't translate to seats but it comes out as 36% to 34% !
Also from Labour's projected percentage it does n't look like they have regained the famous "red wall", other than the part of the red wall who never left the Labour party.

Also a lot of anti-tory tactical voting must have taken place.
In 2019 there was no tactical voting whatsoever, despite calls that were made for it.
For the 2019 election after painstaking examination I found 80 seats BJ would have lost if there was tactical voting between Labs-Libs and Plaid Cymru !
Now there must have been a lot of tactical voting.


 

Edited Friday at 09:11 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 16,521]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

you are preaching to the choir my friend

who REALLY needs PR is the fucking yanks

their sysem is madness now that good faith has been binned by one side AND that same side has gamed their system from the ground (local) up

city to county to state to federal level the Republicasn have been taking over at grassroots level for the last 5 decades or so

We have a veneer of democracy, doesnt really exist

[Vesper 27,777]

the Tories have not won a single seat in Wales

[cosmicway 1,282]

I don't like PR.
I support the Libs but I 'd like to see them winning entire constituencies.
PR allows extremists -reds, blackies- to enter parliament with a mere national 4-5% and influence decision making.

[Fulham Broadway 16,521]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

the Tories have not won a single seat in Wales

Maybe they see sense at last - in white working class areas like Merthyr Tydfil they voted for Brexit in droves 'to stop immigration'. Not the brightest over there

[Beorn 11]

9 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Maybe they see sense at last - in white working class areas like Merthyr Tydfil they voted for Brexit in droves 'to stop immigration'. Not the brightest over there

the people of Wales are bright enough. Thank you

[Fulham Broadway 16,521]

12 minutes ago, Beorn said:

the people of Wales are bright enough. Thank you

Shot themselves in the foot voting for Brexit 

[cosmicway 1,282]

9 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Shot themselves in the foot voting for Brexit 

Those Labour voters who voted for brexit in the ref/dum did so for Farage reasons (the free movement) or for Wedgwood Benn reasons (capitalist euros) ?
What have you gathered ?

[cosmicway 1,282]

This is what happened in the election:

1st) The Labout percentage was nothing like impressive, only 34%.
2nd) Labs and Lds made secret pact for tactical voting, So the Tories needed telescope to see the colour of a constituency.
3d) Without Farage interference the Tories would be at 36%

This last is a mystery.
Why go for Farage ?
I understand before the referendum - they were not happy with Cameron not doing it then not supporting leave.
I understand the euro-elections of 2019. Those were not real elections plus May was slow in iplementing brexit.
Now what was the problem ? Did Sunak ever say he wanted to abolish brexit ? I don't get it.

[Fulham Broadway 16,521]

26 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Those Labour voters who voted for brexit in the ref/dum did so for Farage reasons (the free movement) or for Wedgwood Benn reasons (capitalist euros) ?
What have you gathered ?

Most were swung by social media - I remember the BBC asking youngsters up North why they voted to leave -and lots replied 'Cuz my mate told me to' There were over 1 billion tailored adverts on Social Media individually targeting people with falsehoods - instigated by Dominic ''four years in Moscow'' Cummings.

But yes, the second group of old socialists voted leave as they just see the EU as a bigger capitalist club.

[Fulham Broadway 16,521]

Biden Goes for Gender and Ethnicity Change

US President Joe Biden has made another embarrassing gaffe by referring to himself as a “black woman” as donors call for him to step aside ahead of a crucial television interview on Friday.

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[Beorn 11]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Shot themselves in the foot voting for Brexit 

They weren't tasked with the Brexit plan and negotiations. Brexit backfired because of the incompetence of the government and the spitefulness of the EU, it reveals nothing about the intelligence of Wales' population. A yes or no vote could have turned out positively or negatively, depending on many circumstances outside of our control. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,804]

49 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Biden Goes for Gender and Ethnicity Change

US President Joe Biden has made another embarrassing gaffe by referring to himself as a “black woman” as donors call for him to step aside ahead of a crucial television interview on Friday.

The 81-year-old presumptive Democratic nominee in the presidential election race is facing mounting pressure to step down over doubts about his mental fitness for the role.

i news

His interview on prime time tv tonight is going to be a major day in this country's history.

[Fulham Broadway 16,521]

1 hour ago, Beorn said:

They weren't tasked with the Brexit plan and negotiations. Brexit backfired because of the incompetence of the government and the spitefulness of the EU, it reveals nothing about the intelligence of Wales' population. A yes or no vote could have turned out positively or negatively, depending on many circumstances outside of our control. 

They were given a vote though. Stupid to break ties with a 27 country trading block on your doorstep imo. Are they better off ? Rhetorical

[cosmicway 1,282]

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Most were swung by social media - I remember the BBC asking youngsters up North why they voted to leave -and lots replied 'Cuz my mate told me to' There were over 1 billion tailored adverts on Social Media individually targeting people with falsehoods - instigated by Dominic ''four years in Moscow'' Cummings.

But yes, the second group of old socialists voted leave as they just see the EU as a bigger capitalist club.

I remember in 1975 this second group was a good 15% of the total vote, or so the pundits said.
Total "no vote" in 1975 was 30%. According to the pundits that 30% was by one half "the group" and by the other half Enoch !
So how many are left and how many brexiters in total in the lab ?

[Beorn 11]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

They were given a vote though. Stupid to break ties with a 27 country trading block on your doorstep imo. Are they better off ? Rhetorical

rejecting a multinational entity that doesn't care about you is always a good move. complete self sufficiency on as local a level as possible is the only way forward, integrated international economy is suicide long term. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,521]

13 minutes ago, Beorn said:

rejecting a multinational entity that doesn't care about you is always a good move. complete self sufficiency on as local a level as possible is the only way forward, integrated international economy is suicide long term. 

Last year’s Spending Review confirmed that the UK Government has broken its promise to replace EU funding for Wales in full and there is no sign that the White Paper will change this. If the UK Government had kept its promise, Wales would have been receiving £375 million in new money each year from January 2021. Turkeys/Christmas. 

 

[cosmicway 1,282]

1 hour ago, Beorn said:

rejecting a multinational entity that doesn't care about you is always a good move. complete self sufficiency on as local a level as possible is the only way forward, integrated international economy is suicide long term. 

The EU is a gathering of chiefs.
How care about you ? What you say is meaningless in any language.
You want it to care (after a fashion) ?
Make it European government with elections of course, not without elections like Putin.
You don't want European government ? Then don't criticize.
As for the economy we are being killed by taxation (the individuals that is) long before any Mercedes Benz - Opel - Peugeot - Renault get a chance to kill anybody.