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[Vesper 30,270]

No Tory MP remains in Zones 1 and 2 London

let THAT sink in

Edited July 5, 2024 by Vesper

[Vesper 30,270]

lol

the 3 frontrunners for the Tory leader atm

Priti Patel

Suella Braverman

Kemi Badenoch

3 RW radical clownettes

[cosmicway 1,333]

49 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Labour will win 2/3rds of the seats with 1/3rd of the vote

amazing

give us party percentages

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

Great. Especially glad Rishi is booted out. His father-in-law is an Indian millionaire  billionaire  known for advocating that people should work 70 hrs a week. The whole family is a group of insufferable pricks

 

Corrected for you 🙂 -also his father in laws company Infosys has received dozens of government 'contracts' - worth hundreds of millions of pounds. This is public money. Corrupt fucker as well

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

50 minutes ago, Vesper said:

lol

the 3 frontrunners for the Tory leader atm

Priti Patel

Suella Braverman

Kemi Badenoch

3 RW radical clownettes

They will try to outdo Farages right wing policies -theyre terrified of Reform becoming the opposition

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

One sobering thought - Labour received less votes than Blair did AFTER the Iraq invasion in 2005

[Vesper 30,270]

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9 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

theyre terrified of Reform becoming the opposition

too late!!!!

[Vesper 30,270]

Labour loses four seats to pro-Palestinian candidates

Shadow Cabinet Office minister Jonathan Ashworth among those losing out as party suffers in urban areas with high Muslim populations

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/05/labour-loses-three-seats-to-pro-palestinian-candidates

 

Labour has lost four seats to pro-Gaza independent candidates and been run close by several others, as the impact of the Middle East crisis dented an otherwise jubilant night for Keir Starmer’s party.

Jonathan Ashworth, the party’s shadow Cabinet Office minister, was one of the highest profile political casualties of the rise in support for pro-Palestinian candidates in urban areas with high Muslim populations.

Ashworth lost his Leicester South seat to the independent Shockat Adam, who said: “This is for Gaza,” after winning by just under 1,000 votes.

In Blackburn, the constituency once held by the former home secretary Jack Straw, Labour’s Kate Hollern lost by 132 votes to the independent Adnan Hussain. In Dewsbury and Batley, Heather Iqbal, a former adviser to the shadow chancellor, Rachel Reeves, lost by nearly 7,000 votes to Iqbal Mohamed. And in Birmingham Perry Barr, the former Labour MP Khalid Mahmood lost to the independent Ayoub Khan.

In several other seats, high-profile Labour MPs were also run close by independent candidates, including in Ilford, where the shadow health secretary, Wes Streeting, won by only 528 votes more than his closest rival, Leanne Mohamad.

In Birmingham Hodge Hill, the former cabinet minister Liam Byrne won by just over 1,500 votes over James Giles, the candidate for George Galloway’s Workers party of Britain.

Rushanara Ali also won by just over 1,500 votes in Bethnal Green and Bow, where many in the Bangladeshi community were also angered by the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, talking about deporting Bangladeshi people whose asylum claims had been refused.

Shabana Mahmood, the shadow justice secretary, won in Birmingham Ladywood, another area with a high proportion of Muslim voters, beating the independent Akhmed Yakoob by about 3,500 votes.

But in a sign that the gains by pro-Palestinian candidates were not uniform, George Galloway lost his Rochdale seat to the Labour candidate Paul Waugh. Galloway won the seat at a byelection earlier this year after a campaign during which Labour withdrew its support from its candidate Azhar Ali over comments he made about Israel.

Labour officials had warned throughout the campaign that many of their candidates were under pressure from pro-Palestinian candidates across the UK. Party strategists had expected most voters who deserted them over the issue at the local elections to return at the general election, but appeared to have overestimated how many would do so.

Starmer came in for heavy criticism from many campaigners for comments early in the conflict in which he said Israel had the right to withhold power and water from civilians in Gaza. That anger was compounded when the party refused to back a Scottish National party motion calling for an immediate ceasefire in the region – even though Labour passed its own similar motion soon afterwards.

In some seats the contest became bitter, with Labour canvassers saying they were being harassed by their opponents.

In Ali’s seat, Labour campaigners were followed down the street while handing out leaflets, while in Birmingham, party supporters had to call the police twice during the final weekend of campaigning.

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

too late!!!!

One thing I agree with Farage about though *spits* , is Proportional Representation -even though it would mean loads more Reform MPs PR is much more democratic than the current first past the post system

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6 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

One thing I agree with Farage about though *spits* , is Proportional Representation -even though it would mean loads more Reform MPs PR is much more democratic than the current first past the post system

you are preaching to the choir my friend

who REALLY needs PR is the fucking yanks

their sysem is madness now that good faith has been binned by one side AND that same side has gamed their system from the ground (local) up

city to county to state to federal level the Republicasn have been taking over at grassroots level for the last 5 decades or so

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2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

The three Scottish constituencies won by Tories:

Gordon and Buchan
West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine
Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk

What are these people ? Mad Scotsmen ?

The Scots were all sick of the corrupt SNP

and I assume those constituencies were more conservative than liberal/socialist/progressive

[cosmicway 1,333]

I found the percentages:

LAB 34%
CON 24%
RFM 14%
LD 12%
GRN 7%
SNP 2%
SINFEIN 1%
DUP 1%
various 4%

So from those we can investigate the brexit situation.
Definitely pro-brexit parties = CON + RFM + DUP = 30%
Definitely anti-brexit parties = LD + GRN + SNP = 21%
Who knows = LAB = 34%

Starmer says he likes brexit to continue but his voters don't follow.
They may not press but don't follow.
So what is the estimated percentage of brexiters in the Labour party ?
Those are divided into "red wall" and trotskyites but how many are there ?

It very much looks now as if Farage defeated the Tories and not Starmer !
The combination Tories + Farage scores higher than Labour !
It does n't translate to seats but it comes out as 36% to 34% !
Also from Labour's projected percentage it does n't look like they have regained the famous "red wall", other than the part of the red wall who never left the Labour party.

Also a lot of anti-tory tactical voting must have taken place.
In 2019 there was no tactical voting whatsoever, despite calls that were made for it.
For the 2019 election after painstaking examination I found 80 seats BJ would have lost if there was tactical voting between Labs-Libs and Plaid Cymru !
Now there must have been a lot of tactical voting.


 

Edited July 5, 2024 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

you are preaching to the choir my friend

who REALLY needs PR is the fucking yanks

their sysem is madness now that good faith has been binned by one side AND that same side has gamed their system from the ground (local) up

city to county to state to federal level the Republicasn have been taking over at grassroots level for the last 5 decades or so

We have a veneer of democracy, doesnt really exist

[Vesper 30,270]

the Tories have not won a single seat in Wales

[cosmicway 1,333]

I don't like PR.
I support the Libs but I 'd like to see them winning entire constituencies.
PR allows extremists -reds, blackies- to enter parliament with a mere national 4-5% and influence decision making.

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

the Tories have not won a single seat in Wales

Maybe they see sense at last - in white working class areas like Merthyr Tydfil they voted for Brexit in droves 'to stop immigration'. Not the brightest over there

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9 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Maybe they see sense at last - in white working class areas like Merthyr Tydfil they voted for Brexit in droves 'to stop immigration'. Not the brightest over there

the people of Wales are bright enough. Thank you

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12 minutes ago, Beorn said:

the people of Wales are bright enough. Thank you

Shot themselves in the foot voting for Brexit 

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9 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Shot themselves in the foot voting for Brexit 

Those Labour voters who voted for brexit in the ref/dum did so for Farage reasons (the free movement) or for Wedgwood Benn reasons (capitalist euros) ?
What have you gathered ?