Politics & Stuff

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Israel got the most audience points

[cosmicway 1,333]

eurofraud is over.
the bookies smacked the victims.
UK nil point

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49 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I bet on them/they. 

7 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

the bookies smacked the victims.
 

5.00 odds.  Easy money 💰 

 

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Isreal got sympathy votes. 

For Ukraine everyone is united in Europe against Russia.

But this conflict is more delicate. 

My impression is that for half Europe Israel=Ukraine - victim 

And for others is Palestine=Ukraine 

Depends on your look.

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All of these songs are rubbish.

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11 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

5.00 odds. Easy money 💰

I 'm going to subscribe to the communist party tomorrow.

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Eurovision once upon a time:
 

 

 

 

... even Greece from a lower mark
 

 

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My entry for 2025:
 

 

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25 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

All of these songs are rubbish.

Came here after watching a good chunk of it and this is my opinion as well. Haven't seen so many garbage songs in a single edition before. Disappointing.

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4 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Came here after watching a good chunk of it and this is my opinion as well. Haven't seen so many garbage songs in a single edition before. Disappointing.

It's the last twenty years or so and it's getting worse and worse.
Must be some kind of extraterrestrial control experiment, there is no other explanation.

Granted it's not easy to write a "grand succès" song  - 't is a rare inspiration le grand succès.
But from some ten years ago I recall Greece entered the contest with one of those horriblies again.
Yet from the same year's Greek top ten why not this decent number ?
 

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34 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Came here after watching a good chunk of it and this is my opinion as well. Haven't seen so many garbage songs in a single edition before. Disappointing.

Loved granny from 🇪🇸 

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'Carry-dite-bye-raye-sigh-en': Trump mocked as rally shows his 'slurring is getting worse'

 

Epstein Victim Says She Was Forced Into Threesome With Alan Dershowitz

https://www.thedailybeast.com/epstein-victim-was-grilled-about-alan-dershowitzs-bleeding-penis-said-she-was-forced-into-threesome

 

 

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I lost the fc*king trial to the neonazis.
Believe it or not.
Let me explain what happened.
It was one of the loudmouths of the golden dawn party who somehow was allowed to become the broadcaster for the national horse racing company in 2011.
There were lots of complaints -the race course telephone centre was jammed- and they fired him the next day (because of his intense activism on behalf of the neonazis).
The minister of sports Ioannidis is said to have been involved and asked the race course to do away with the character.
We understood it was an oversight. The race course directors in 2011 were from the socialist party and it must have been an oversight.

Years pass.
The race course becomes a private company in 2016.
This new company (OPAP.gr) was making many mistakes.
Turnovers were plummetting down - nothing worked.
From my blog I was trying everyday to point out their mistakes -in an effort to save the Greek races.
In vain.
In the end they closed down the race course. A 100 year history was erased in one day, this January the 31st.
I really wanted to save the races. I have writen an artificial intelligence program (CosmiC Racing).
It was very hard work - there is nothing else like it - now it has been rendered useless.

In between then what happened ?
The Golden dawn character reappeared in March 2018 as a broadacaster for OPAP !
I challenged this - I considered it gross defamation for the Greek races, as something likely to bring disaster for our races even closer.
I published in my site a video from 2012 in which he was calling for what appeared to be assault battalions against immigrants. Those were the same assault battalions who 
muredered people and eventually the Golden Dawn party was declared an "illegal criminal organisation" and its leaders are now in jail.

But not in my case !
They took me to court for calling them "assault battalions".
They were not that - they were boy scouts helping old ladies to cross the road was the indictment against me !
This kind of rubbish was then somehow accepted by the court early this morning,

In April 2018 they managed to virtually drag me out of hospital where I was about to undergo a serious operation.
They wanted to take me to "instant court" but could n't do it because of the hospital.
It went through the slow channels of regular justice and this morning we got the result.
A 5 month sentence against me !

I have no idea what the discussion went like.
My lawyer did not want me to be present (strange but he insisted).
I have no idea what the verdict was based on.
The man in the video was clearly calling for street violence against immigrants.

But I was alone.
As everybody knows -from here to the next galaxy- I have no relation or connection with the political left and the "anarchist circles".
If that was n't the case then some 50-100 people would be present in the chamber shouting and making noise.
I was and I am alone.

Of course the company with the big money  is behind this as you can readily understand.
Not the Golden Dawn clowns as such.

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Life in a Dystopian Satire

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Swedish PM says he'd consider hosting nuclear weapons in wartime

https://www.thelocal.se/20240513/swedish-pm-says-hed-consider-hosting-nuclear-weapons-in-wartime

Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said there's broad consensus not to allow nuclear weapons on Swedish soil in peacetime, but added that wartime is a different matter.

Sweden's parliament is set to vote on a Defence Cooperation Agreement (DCA) with the United States in June which will give the US access to military bases in Sweden and allow the storage of military equipment and weapons in the Scandinavian country.

Sweden abandoned two centuries of military non-alignment to join Nato in March this year.

Calls have mounted in recent weeks, from the Swedish Peace and Arbitration Association among others, for the government to put in writing in the DCA agreement that Sweden will not allow nuclear weapons on its soil.

The government has repeatedly insisted there is no need to have a ban spelled out, citing "broad consensus on nuclear weapons" in Sweden as well as a parliamentary decision that bars nuclear weapons in Sweden in peacetime.

But Kristersson said on Monday that wartime was a different story.

"In a war situation it's a completely different matter, (it) would depend entirely on what would happen," he told public broadcaster Swedish Radio.

"In the absolute worst-case scenario, the democratic countries in our part of the world must ultimately be able to defend themselves against countries that could threaten us with nuclear weapons."

He insisted that any such decision to place nuclear weapons in Sweden would be taken by Sweden, not the United States.

"Sweden decides over Swedish territory," he said.

But, he stressed, "the whole purpose of our Nato membership and our defence is to ensure that that situation does not arise".

If Ukraine had been a Nato member "it would not have been attacked by Russia", he said.

Sweden's Social Democratic Party, which was in power when Sweden submitted its Nato membership application in May 2022, said at the time it would work to express "unilateral reservations against the deployment of nuclear weapons and permanent bases on Swedish territory".

Nordic neighbours Denmark and Norway, which are already Nato members, have both refused to allow foreign countries to establish permanent military bases or nuclear weapons on their soil in peacetime.

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21 hours ago, cosmicway said:

I lost the fc*king trial to the neonazis.
Believe it or not.
Let me explain what happened.
It was one of the loudmouths of the golden dawn party who somehow was allowed to become the broadcaster for the national horse racing company in 2011.
There were lots of complaints -the race course telephone centre was jammed- and they fired him the next day (because of his intense activism on behalf of the neonazis).
The minister of sports Ioannidis is said to have been involved and asked the race course to do away with the character.
We understood it was an oversight. The race course directors in 2011 were from the socialist party and it must have been an oversight.

Years pass.
The race course becomes a private company in 2016.
This new company (OPAP.gr) was making many mistakes.
Turnovers were plummetting down - nothing worked.
From my blog I was trying everyday to point out their mistakes -in an effort to save the Greek races.
In vain.
In the end they closed down the race course. A 100 year history was erased in one day, this January the 31st.
I really wanted to save the races. I have writen an artificial intelligence program (CosmiC Racing).
It was very hard work - there is nothing else like it - now it has been rendered useless.

In between then what happened ?
The Golden dawn character reappeared in March 2018 as a broadacaster for OPAP !
I challenged this - I considered it gross defamation for the Greek races, as something likely to bring disaster for our races even closer.
I published in my site a video from 2012 in which he was calling for what appeared to be assault battalions against immigrants. Those were the same assault battalions who 
muredered people and eventually the Golden Dawn party was declared an "illegal criminal organisation" and its leaders are now in jail.

But not in my case !
They took me to court for calling them "assault battalions".
They were not that - they were boy scouts helping old ladies to cross the road was the indictment against me !
This kind of rubbish was then somehow accepted by the court early this morning,

In April 2018 they managed to virtually drag me out of hospital where I was about to undergo a serious operation.
They wanted to take me to "instant court" but could n't do it because of the hospital.
It went through the slow channels of regular justice and this morning we got the result.
A 5 month sentence against me !

I have no idea what the discussion went like.
My lawyer did not want me to be present (strange but he insisted).
I have no idea what the verdict was based on.
The man in the video was clearly calling for street violence against immigrants.

But I was alone.
As everybody knows -from here to the next galaxy- I have no relation or connection with the political left and the "anarchist circles".
If that was n't the case then some 50-100 people would be present in the chamber shouting and making noise.
I was and I am alone.

Of course the company with the big money  is behind this as you can readily understand.
Not the Golden Dawn clowns as such.

When you go to prison?

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53 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

When you go to prison?

Aren't Prisons in much of Europe like nice hotels? I think the dude who killed all those kids in Norway on that island had like a Playstation in his room......far cry from what you are going to get in an American jail.

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St Pauli: Bundesliga promotion and leftist principles combine (with ‘death head’ flag)

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5488021/2024/05/13/st-pauli-promotion-death-head/

When the whistle blew, supporters from every corner of the Millerntor-Stadion poured onto the pitch. After a 3-1 win over Osnabruck, St Pauli had been promoted back to the Bundesliga, Germany’s highest division, after 13 years away.

The players vanished. Eventually, they reappeared high on the shoulders of their adoring public. Captain Jackson Irvine, from Australia via Celtic, Hull City and Hibernian. Dapo Afolayan, who had wandered the football world in search of a home, before finding one in Hamburg. And Fabian Hurzeler, born in Houston, Texas. Still just 31 years old but already one of the brightest coaching minds in Europe.

These are not normal characters, nor is this a normal story — but then St Pauli are not a normal club. Owned entirely by their members and probably more famous for their left-wing values than their football, they have styled themselves as the sport’s conscience. The cost of which is to be seen as a place where causes and inclusivity are more important than the score.

But on Sunday, as the flares burned under a white-hot Hamburg sun and the fans and players celebrated together — holding each other, laughing, shouting and weeping — football seemed to matter more than anything else.

The Millerntor sits at the head of the Reeperbahn.

It’s the most famous road in Hamburg and at night, it plunges through bright neon and throbbing bass. It is the city’s red-light district — but it is a mess of music, culture, artisan coffee and pirated television feeds, too, and that makes it more of a dark heart than just a grubby Gomorrah.

Not far away is Hafenstrasse, which winds for miles along the north bank of the River Elbe and under the shadow of the tall cranes that still work the harbour docks. That is where St Pauli’s rebellious spirit comes from. It also forged the identity the world knows today. The skull-and-crossbones, the anarchy, the desire to be different — it comes from there.

In 1981, a dozen houses on Hafenstrasse were squatted by students, punks and activists. It created a decade-long conflict between those occupying residents and a city determined to evict them. The conflict between the police and the squatters turned Hafenstrasse into a battleground and, ultimately, a global news story.

One of the residents was Doc Mabuse, a local punk and St Pauli fan who had been going to the Millerntor since the late 1970s. One Saturday in the mid-’80s, he bought a Totenkopf from the local fair, stapled it to a broom handle and took it into the ground. In one form or another, the Totenkopf — literally ‘death head’ — has been there ever since.

The mood was ripe for rebellion. Hamburg’s docks were in decline, gentrification was driving people from their communities and a leftist movement, inspired by that social decay, had focus and energy. At the same time, a rising far-right presence at Hamburger SV, by far the city’s biggest and most successful club, was driving supporters in search of something different.

That is the abridged version of the St Pauli’s founding myth. Over the decades, the club became home to the disaffected, the disenfranchised and the displaced, and St Pauli’s reputation, as one of the few football clubs to have a distinct political identity, is a codification of that.

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• Hamburg: The Stadtderby
• Lisbon: Benfica vs Sporting
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Oke Gottlich used to stand on the Millerntor’s terraces. Gottlich is still a fan, but he has worn many hats. Fanzine writer. Journalist. Record label founder. He has been St Pauli’s president since November 2014 and The Athletic meets him in the weeks before promotion is secured.

He is someone with whom you can talk for hours. About football. About Hamburg. About the world. He is idealistic and forthright, and unapologetically so.

“Maybe this sounds too romantic and utopian, but I wish we could work together to make the world better. There are so many things in the football industry that are headed in the wrong direction. I want to say, ‘Where is the money coming from? Why are we taking this money? Why is it the most unregulated industry in the world?’.”

St Pauli’s promotion will cause little more than a ripple at the top of the game — but to Gottlich, the success is still one in the eye for the orthodoxy.

“Most people from conservative football believe participation, democracy, membership-driven models can‘t be successful. I want to run against this wall as long as I can. Even if it leaves me with a bloody head, I don’t care. I want something with the labels of participation and transparency to succeed, not just this old model where there is one captain — one guy with a lot of money or a lot of power.”

The value of this promotion is proof that a different approach can work. Different ideals, too. In 2009, St Pauli became the first German club to adopt a set of guiding principles around social responsibility. One of Gottlich’s predecessors, Corny Littmann, was the first gay president of a German football club. Today, three of the four vice presidents are women.

Promotion amplifies that example, but it also creates a complication. To some, St Pauli’s identity is too close to being a brand. Their ubiquitous Totenkopf, seen on clothing and merchandise around the world, has come to represent the endemic commercialism in football. Mabuse, for instance, has in recent years become happier at Altona 93, an even smaller Hamburg club playing in the fifth tier. St Pauli’s promotion will win even more new fans and bring even greater attention.

Gottlich is not afraid of the conversation about commercialism; he does not accept that the club has to choose between its many positions and its substantial commercial revenue.

“Yes, we are not quite understandable for people,” he says, “because on one side we are commercially successful and on the other, we are against commercialisation in football. How does this fit together? People have to understand that it’s not a marketing plan to be against modern football. It’s a strong attitude and it’s better for participation, the community and the integrity of the competition.”

“I want to have the most successful St Pauli, because the more successful we are, the more we can present (the) values that we are all promoting in our daily lives.”

It’s an area in which the club are misunderstood. St Pauli is not a church and Gottlich is not a preacher. Instead, to hear him explain the club’s worldview — beyond the central tenets of standing against racism, fascism, misogyny and homophobia — is just a reflection of its membership. The club do not impose a belief system from above.

“The only thing is that it has to be left of the middle and progressive. I’m not going to dictate what standpoints we have on different issues. People have to develop their own ideas.

“This club is in permanent transformation. This is really important because progress and values are changing. So, we have affordable ticketing prices so that people can bring their ideas into the Millerntor. We want young people to be able to come into the stadium as well and bring their ideas with them.”

“We have a 10,000 standing terrace on the ‘gegengerade’ (ie, the east stand) where the tickets are €12 (£10; $13). This is so important. This social aspect. And it’s one of the roots, saying, ‘We want people in the stadium who can’t pay €70 or €50.”

One of the reasons “conservative football”, to borrow Gottlich’s term, believes fan-owned clubs cannot work is because of internal conflict. That will be the case at St Pauli and during our conversation, he runs through the myriad issues raging all at once.

Is the social price point correct? Is the commitment to sustainable kit manufacturing the right approach, given that organic materials come at an extra cost? On and on; St Pauli might be the biggest and loudest town hall in Hamburg.

Another, clearly, is the relationship between the ideas and the team. How important is the football? St Pauli began to face a backlash during the last decade because of a perceived disparity. They were too popular. They became very famous all over the world without actually achieving anything on the pitch. Did it matter? It did to Gottlich.

Back in 2015, he was interviewed by the writer and historian Uli Hesse for EightByEight magazine. He was just a year into his presidency. The previous season, St Pauli had only just avoided relegation to the third tier and, unbeknownst to him, were due to spend another nine years in the Bundesliga 2.

He was unequivocal in what he wanted St Pauli to be.

“We will always take a stand against racism and homophobia, always look out after the weak and the poor, because it’s important for us. It’s in our blood. But we want to see that same passion and effort on the football pitch! It’s got to be about football. We have to ask ourselves, ‘What kind of football do we want St Pauli to play?’. And the answer has to be: football that will thrill the people here.”

This year, the football has thrilled people.

St Pauli’s rise under Hurzeler has been a joy. He has made them among the most attractive teams in Bundesliga 2, with a style built on short, ambitious passing, quick changes of rhythm and a determination to play from anywhere.

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St Pauli, a planned attack on a supporters' coach and the possible political motivation behind it

This promotion can be traced back to the end of 2022 when Hurzeler was appointed in strange circumstances. The previous season, St Pauli had seen another promotion slip through their hands. In the months after, amid sales of influential players and with damaged morale, their form fell away. As European football paused for the World Cup in Qatar, the team were out of the Bundesliga 2 relegation places only on goal difference. Timo Schultz, the coach — a former player and a local hero — paid the price with his job. Hurzeler, one of his assistants, but only 29, was appointed to replace him.

Hurzeler is a compelling character. Smart and thoughtful in person, but occasionally maniacal on the touchline. It only took him until February to collect seven yellow cards this season. He is no wallflower. But that passion for the game makes him extremely popular. And he has a mind for it that should one day make him extremely successful. That combination has now taken St Pauli to the Bundesliga. In time, it should take Hurzeler to the very top of the game.

He was born in Texas but left the United States when he was just a few years old. He is one of four children to a mother and father who worked in dentistry and who moved from Zurich to Freiburg and, finally, to Munich, all the while bouncing back to the United States on family camper van holidays.

Back in Europe, his football career was not quite what he wanted it to be. He played for Bayern Munich’s II team but never rose above the Regionalliga, Germany’s fourth tier. He was a combative, occasionally wild midfielder, but of clear intelligence. He was a player-coach by 23, an assistant with the German Football Association’s age group sides by 25, and became Schulz’s assistant at St Pauli aged 27.

When The Athletic went to meet him, in January 2023, he was 29, had been coaching in the Bundesliga 2 for six weeks and was still to attain his full qualifications. He had asked the players whether he had their support in taking over. They did and they moved forward together.

Hurzeler is one of those coaches who speaks of the game in detail rather than generalities. Give him the chance and he will talk about rest defence and stability in transition. A phrase that is commonly used to describe his coaching is that he sees the whole pitch. He knows when to make football complex but he understands how to make it simple.

“I spent 10 years at Bayern, so it’s in my DNA to want possession and to dictate the game,” he told The Athletic. “That belief is still deep inside me. But I’ve learnt so much in the second division, which is a lot about long balls and set pieces and that you have to be very intense against the ball. You need to be able to defend deep and to defend high.”

There is no question he has built an attractive team, but they are a smart one, too, and have adopted the set-piece nous that he described. Hurzeler’s St Pauli have scored the third-most goals from free kicks and corners this season, while also conceding the fewest.

They have been tough, too: they were undefeated through the first seven months of this season.

Perhaps the most impressive aspect, though, is just how many of his players are in the form of their lives. St Pauli are not a pauper in second-division terms, but neither do they have the financial advantages of Schalke, Hamburg or Hannover. St Pauli’s wage spend is roughly the seventh-highest in the league but is only 40 per cent of Schalke’s and just over half of Hamburg’s.

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Schalke - the fallen giants fighting relegation and financial ruin

The result is a squad of stories. Irvine, who emerged from a financial mess at Hull City, via Hibernian, to become a deeply beloved captain. Afolayan, whose circuitous route has led him from Chelsea to Canada, West Ham United to Bolton Wanderers, and now to the Bundesliga. Elias Saad, a winger who joined St Pauli from the Regionalliga, has become a senior Tunisia international within 18 months. Marcel Hartel might be Hurzeler’s player of the season. At 28, attacking midfielder Hartel had never scored more than five goals in a season. This year, he has 16 and counting.

There are many more. Each of them different. Somehow playing in perfect, intricate harmony.

But maybe that is exactly the right metaphor for St Pauli. Despite the many labels and the clarity of vision, no one fan seems exactly like the next. The cynics will say they are a club of cool, where nobody is half a step out of fashion. The scenes at the Millerntor say differently, though. Image was nothing under the flares and fireworks, and nothing mattered more than the fact this wild bunch, with its old and its young, its locals, its foreigners and its strays who belong nowhere other than in St Pauli, are now marching on the Bundesliga.