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29 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Last week, the US authorized the transfer of billions of dollars to Israel, including more than 1,800 MK-84 2,000lb bombs and 500 MK-82 500lb bombs.

Washington gives $3.8bn in annual military assistance to Israel, its longtime ally

Yes, that has always been the case, and it wont change at least in the foreseeable future.

So, what's the solution? wait for the next [the-next-hammas] attack and Israel response in a decade or two? Will it look any different then?

[Fernando 6,602]

56 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

It's actually very liberating to realize we don't matter a whole lot.

Netanyahu is unliked, but Israel response (attack whatever you want to call it) will take place regardless of him. At least unless the ~150 hostages are freed. That's what I've read anyway.

Maybe you are.... wouldn't be the first or last. 😃
I know your opinions. My issue was exclusively with the misinformation (if you can call it that) in that post.

One was an unprovoked attack, or was it not? you can all ignore what Hamas did, and is doing to the hostages being held still, but that does not change the fact they were attacked... once again in my lifetime.
My point is that nothing will change despite what you think -- it hasn't in decades. There are consequences to letting leaders like Hamas act. 15-20 years from now the same will happen... a different named group will attack Israel, Israel will attack back rinse and repeat. IMO, these one-sided takes don't help anyone.

Yes this problem will never be resolved, never because of the issue that martyrdom does. Especially in the middle east. You can create a two state but they will never forget and attack Israel in the future again. A never ending repeating cycle of bloodshed. 

Reminds me of the series battle star galactica of this has happened before and will happen again in the future.... 

[Fulham Broadway 17,366]

6 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Maybe you are.... wouldn't be the first or last. 😃
I know your opinions. My issue was exclusively with the misinformation (if you can call it that) in that post.

The figures are corroborated by the UN, and World Health. I know you said you worked in Israel, and you said your view is influenced by that, you wouldnt be the first to be hoodwinked/gaslighted.

 

7 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

One was an unprovoked attack, or was it not? you can all ignore what Hamas did, and is doing to the hostages being held still, but that does not change the fact they were attacked... once again in my lifetime.
My point is that nothing will change despite what you think -- it hasn't in decades. There are consequences to letting leaders like Hamas act. 15-20 years from now the same will happen... a different named group will attack Israel, Israel will attack back rinse and repeat. IMO, these one-sided takes don't help anyone.

No one is ignoring the Hamas and other groups attack. It is despicable. The important thing is to see it in context. If you call people living in an occupied zone reacting to torture, deaths,-(94% of all deaths were Palestinian before Oct 7th) and daily degradation 'unprovoked' then there is a massive blind spot.

Did Netanyahu know the attack was coming ? it was 3 years in the planning stage, there were videos of them disabling dummy tanks and scaling the fences. -or maybe all the hi tech listening and eavesdropping Israel has been supplied with was switched off for 3 years. He has used that as an excuse to murder 32 000 and keep his job temporarily. 

I agree nothing will change, I have been watching this for 40 years - bottom line Israelis and their neighbours will have to learn to live together at some point - however dont take your eyes off the arms manufacturers, extremists, and right wingers - they don't want it to end.

[Fulham Broadway 17,366]

18 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

So, what's the solution? wait for the next [the-next-hammas] attack and Israel response in a decade or two? Will it look any different then?

They will have to live together at some point. That is the only solution. Unending supply of US weapons give the Israelis the notion that they can kill indiscriminately, like the horrible kid in the playground bullying others because he has the bigger bully backing him. Israel tortured and killed Palestinians, children a lot of the time,  every day before Oct 7th. Hamas wouldnt exist if that was not the case. This is documented by Israeli groups like Breaking The Silence - ex IDF soldiers who are sick of it.

 

[Fernando 6,602]

18 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

They will have to live together at some point. That is the only solution. Unending supply of US weapons give the Israelis the notion that they can kill indiscriminately, like the horrible kid in the playground bullying others because he has the bigger bully backing him. Israel tortured and killed Palestinians, children a lot of the time,  every day before Oct 7th. Hamas wouldnt exist if that was not the case. This is documented by Israeli groups like Breaking The Silence - ex IDF soldiers who are sick of it.

 

They will never be able to live together peaceful for a long time. The roots of bitterness is there and will never go away. 

Unless you invent some kind of mass control ala firefly movie to try to control people..... 

[Fulham Broadway 17,366]

Just now, Fernando said:

They will never be able to live together peaceful for a long time. The roots of bitterness is there and will never go away. 

Unless you invent some kind of mass control ala firefly movie to try to control people..... 

They said that about hispanics and white US citizens, about Catholics and Protestants in Ireland, about South Africa. 

Where there's a will, there's a fucking way. Its the only solution. There are actors at play on both sides and outside countries that want the death and mistrust to continue.

There is money in death, drones and shells that explode on skull impact.

[robsblubot 3,595]

25 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

They will have to live together at some point. That is the only solution. Unending supply of US weapons give the Israelis the notion that they can kill indiscriminately, like the horrible kid in the playground bullying others because he has the bigger bully backing him. Israel tortured and killed Palestinians, children a lot of the time,  every day before Oct 7th. Hamas wouldnt exist if that was not the case. This is documented by Israeli groups like Breaking The Silence - ex IDF soldiers who are sick of it.

 

Definitely, but's it's taking some time... understatement eh.

These acts will keep on happening regardless of who is more to blame, or notions of right and wrong. I for one think that if the Israeli people is responsible for the act of their leaders, the same applies to the other side. Of course unelected leaders are harder to influence, but that's a different discussion.

I'm pretty confident that an Israel without weapons/US support would cease to exist instantly at this time, which is the reason nothing will change in the foreseeable future.

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Edited April 6, 2024 by KEVINAA

[Fulham Broadway 17,366]

5 hours ago, KEVINAA said:

 

 

Just hope they dont go to war like El Salvador and Honduras did after a disputed World Cup Qualifier 😀

Its true in 1969 they went to war because of a football match. Mental

[Fernando 6,602]

I doubt anything great will come about it. 

Mexico is just mad and that's that. 

[Vesper 30,306]

absolutely fascinating interview on multiple levels

CIA Spy: "Leave The USA Before 2030!" Why You Shouldn't Trust Your Gut! - Andrew Bustamante

Andrew Bustamante is a former covert CIA intelligence officer and US Air Force combat veteran. He is the founder of EverydaySpy, an online education platform that teaches real-world international espionage techniques that can be used in everyday life.

00:00 Intro
02:47 Your Time At The CIA
03:15 What Is The CIA?
03:57 You've Got It Wrong About Spies
06:43 Applying Real Spy Skills To Overcome Any Barrier In Our Lives
08:13 How To Manipulate People
18:15 The Psychological Profile Of A CIA Agent
21:13 I Held The Key To Nuclear Missiles
23:15 It Was A Horrible Job
25:00 Would You Have You Pressed The Nuclear Button?
27:18 The CIA Message That Changed My Life
29:13 The Interview Process For The CIA
31:31 How Did You Feel When You Received That Letter?
33:54 Did The CIA Tell You To Cut Off From Your Social Circle?
34:44 Your Ethnicity Factor To Be Recruited By The CIA
36:03 Do You Have To Change Your Identity?
37:14 How Expensive Is To Train A CIA Agent?
37:21 What's The CIA Training Scheme?
38:04 Do They Show You How To Kill?
39:06 How You Teach The Art Of Lying
41:00 Body Language & Lying
42:46 Demystifying Lying Signs
45:44 How To Tell If Someone Is Lying
47:34 Human Psychology
50:32 The Essence Of Manipulation
52:09 How To Find Someone's Ideology To Manipulate Them
56:12 Have You Changed The Way You Look At The World?
01:00:01 Perception vs Perceptive
01:01:59 Leaning Into Objective vs Subjective Feelings
01:03:25 How To Train Yourself To Apply Rational Objective Perspective
01:05:54 Your Business Success
01:09:01 What Is SADRAT?
01:11:07 Change The Game When Selling Your Products
01:13:13 What Is Espionage?
01:14:08 What Is Our Secret Life?
01:18:16 How To Enter Someone's Secret Life
01:23:33 How To Apply It To Business
01:26:19 Adapting To Change Faster Than Your Opponent
01:29:18 Were There Times Your Life Was At Threat?
01:31:43 Sexpionage, What Is It?
01:33:49 Disguise, Did You Ever Do It?
01:38:44 Do CIA Agents Get Trained To Not Feel Fear & Anxiety?
01:41:23 How Do They Train You To Slow Down Your Emotional Brain?
01:47:28 Your Wife & You Leaving The CIA
01:48:55 America Is Going Through A Hard Period
01:54:15 What's The Advice For Everyone To Make That Change?
01:56:27 How Does Your Identity Stop You From Evolving?
01:57:39 What Is Something You Used To Believe That You No Longer Do?

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,366]

In other news,

562 Indigenous Australians, aborigines, have been killed in police custody, choked, stamped on, etc in the last 30 years

Not one police officer has been charged

BBC

[Fernando 6,602]

17 hours ago, Vesper said:

absolutely fascinating interview on multiple levels

CIA Spy: "Leave The USA Before 2030!" Why You Shouldn't Trust Your Gut! - Andrew Bustamante

Andrew Bustamante is a former covert CIA intelligence officer and US Air Force combat veteran. He is the founder of EverydaySpy, an online education platform that teaches real-world international espionage techniques that can be used in everyday life.

00:00 Intro
02:47 Your Time At The CIA
03:15 What Is The CIA?
03:57 You've Got It Wrong About Spies
06:43 Applying Real Spy Skills To Overcome Any Barrier In Our Lives
08:13 How To Manipulate People
18:15 The Psychological Profile Of A CIA Agent
21:13 I Held The Key To Nuclear Missiles
23:15 It Was A Horrible Job
25:00 Would You Have You Pressed The Nuclear Button?
27:18 The CIA Message That Changed My Life
29:13 The Interview Process For The CIA
31:31 How Did You Feel When You Received That Letter?
33:54 Did The CIA Tell You To Cut Off From Your Social Circle?
34:44 Your Ethnicity Factor To Be Recruited By The CIA
36:03 Do You Have To Change Your Identity?
37:14 How Expensive Is To Train A CIA Agent?
37:21 What's The CIA Training Scheme?
38:04 Do They Show You How To Kill?
39:06 How You Teach The Art Of Lying
41:00 Body Language & Lying
42:46 Demystifying Lying Signs
45:44 How To Tell If Someone Is Lying
47:34 Human Psychology
50:32 The Essence Of Manipulation
52:09 How To Find Someone's Ideology To Manipulate Them
56:12 Have You Changed The Way You Look At The World?
01:00:01 Perception vs Perceptive
01:01:59 Leaning Into Objective vs Subjective Feelings
01:03:25 How To Train Yourself To Apply Rational Objective Perspective
01:05:54 Your Business Success
01:09:01 What Is SADRAT?
01:11:07 Change The Game When Selling Your Products
01:13:13 What Is Espionage?
01:14:08 What Is Our Secret Life?
01:18:16 How To Enter Someone's Secret Life
01:23:33 How To Apply It To Business
01:26:19 Adapting To Change Faster Than Your Opponent
01:29:18 Were There Times Your Life Was At Threat?
01:31:43 Sexpionage, What Is It?
01:33:49 Disguise, Did You Ever Do It?
01:38:44 Do CIA Agents Get Trained To Not Feel Fear & Anxiety?
01:41:23 How Do They Train You To Slow Down Your Emotional Brain?
01:47:28 Your Wife & You Leaving The CIA
01:48:55 America Is Going Through A Hard Period
01:54:15 What's The Advice For Everyone To Make That Change?
01:56:27 How Does Your Identity Stop You From Evolving?
01:57:39 What Is Something You Used To Believe That You No Longer Do?

 

I will take a look at this, as I been hearing a lot of what is coming to the usa. I wonder if Russia or north Korea will be attack us one day. Could use an emp to fry us out for a while 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,366]

DONALD Trump’s campaign team say they are confident in their chances of electoral success as an earthquake and solar eclipse foreshadow great evil coming to the US.

After New York was shaken by tremors on Friday and the sun will turn black over great swathes of America today, the Republican nominee’s team have confirmed that these Biblical portents are a clearer sign of upcoming victory than any opinion poll.

A campaign spokesman said: “Our next milestone is the plague of locusts we’re anticipating around June, and if we have a rain of blood and hail by mid-August, we’ll know our team is winning round swing voters on the doorstep.

“Then we’ll be looking out for great cracks in the earth belching forth fire and brimstone, and hopefully some kind of hideous beast rising from the boiling sea, like Godzilla. People will really get on board with that because they’ve seen it at the movies.

“And if a star falls from the heavens and poisons the waters of the earth by the time of the second presidential debate, then there’ll be no doubt. We’ll be expecting a landslide on election day. Literally. San Francisco will be in the sea by lunchtime.”

[Vesper 30,306]

Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable

The ruling is on hold for 14 days, and voters will likely have a chance to weigh in on an ballot measure to enshrine abortion rights in the state's constitution this fall.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna146915

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,366]

21 hours ago, Vesper said:

Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable

The ruling is on hold for 14 days, and voters will likely have a chance to weigh in on an ballot measure to enshrine abortion rights in the state's constitution this fall.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna146915

 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

Bet 365: Biden-Trump level pegging now, 2.10 each.

[Vesper 30,306]

Lord Hoyle obituary: Labour backbencher and parliamentary party chairman

Trade unionist made for political opposition whose son became Speaker of the Commons

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lord-hoyle-obituary-veteran-labour-backbencher-and-parliamentary-party-chairman-gw9z5ppxs

Hoyle, right, with the former prime minister and Labour leader Harold Wilson during the Warrington by-election, 1981, which he won against an SDP insurgency

During Doug Hoyle’s long career as a Labour MP he experienced significant changes in the party’s fortunes and its policies. A man of the left, he shifted his views only slightly under New Labour and Tony Blair. He became something of a grandee when he was elected by MPs as chairman of the parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) in his last spell in the Commons (1992-97); and having once called for the abolition of the House of Lords, he took a life peerage shortly after his retirement as an MP.

His political life centred on Lancashire. He unsuccessfully fought Clitheroe in the 1964 general election and then won Nelson & Colne in October 1974, by 669 votes. In such a marginal seat it was no surprise that he was defeated in the pro-Conservative swing that brought Margaret Thatcher to office in 1979.

Hoyle’s return to the Commons came about in dramatic circumstances. In the Warrington by-election in July 1981, the new Social Democratic Party launched its first parliamentary election campaign. It was largely a breakaway group from the Labour Party. Its well-known candidate was Roy Jenkins, recently returned from having been president of the European Commission. At the time Jenkins — smooth, wealthy, son of a Labour MP, and until recently leader of the Labour right wing — represented all that Hoyle detested. He dismissed Jenkins as “a class traitor” and “a retired pensioner from the EEC”. Although Warrington was one of the safest Labour seats in the country, all the media interest was on how the SDP would do.

Hoyle was ill at ease in what turned out to be something of a media circus. He won the by-election, but the margin was reduced from 10,000 to less than 1,800. Before a large television audience, Jenkins in his concession speech said that it had been the greatest result of his career and congratulated Hoyle on achieving Labour’s lowest vote in the seat for 50 years. For Labour and Hoyle it was a pyrrhic victory. Flanked by the party’s regional agent, Hoyle was persuaded to be brief but denounced the SDP campaign and attacked the press coverage. The by-election proved that the SDP was now an effective political force and a threat to both Labour and Conservative parties. However, at the 1983 general election, Warrington became Warrington North and reverted to being a safe Labour seat with Hoyle as its MP.

Short, stocky and with a trademark moustache, Hoyle was easily recognisable — a colleague compared him to a moustachioed version of the film actor Edward G Robinson. He was usually ready with a quote, often populist, expressed in his soft Lancastrian accent, and would introduce himself as “Doug ’oyle”. He was made for political opposition and indeed most of his career was spent with his party out of office: he was not considered for a frontbench position and did badly when he stood in elections for the shadow cabinet.

In 1953 he married Pauline Spencer, who later acted as his secretary. She predeceased him in 1991. They had one son, Lindsay, who also became a Labour MP (elected for Chorley in 1997); he was knighted in the 2018 new year’s honours list and has served as Speaker of the House of Commons since 2019. Lindsay, a more politically centrist figure than Doug, was named by his cricket-loving father after the Australian cricket captain Lindsay Hassett.

Hoyle in 1988: his views varied between hard and soft left

As an MP Hoyle supported a familiar package of left policies, including nuclear disarmament, import controls, compulsory planning agreements with key industries and mandatory reselection of Labour MPs by local party activists. He backed the losing “No” campaign in the referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Community in 1975. The following year, despite the referendum result, he called for British withdrawal and dismissed membership as an “unmitigated disaster”. On the issue of Europe he accused Harold Wilson of leading the first Labour government to ally itself with the CBI against the TUC, and pressed for a rerun of the referendum well into the 1980s.

His views varied between hard and soft left, and critics noticed that his more left-wing outbursts usually increased with the imminence of annual elections to the party’s national executive committee (NEC). He was elected a member of the NEC for the trade union section in 1970 and again between 1978 and 1985, except for one year. The influence of Tony Benn was then at its height in the party. Although critical of the attempt by the Trotskyist Militant group to infiltrate the party, he refused to support Neil Kinnock’s long-running campaign to expel the group.

On Kinnock’s resignation as leader after the 1992 election defeat, Hoyle voted for the anti-European Bryan Gould over John Smith, one of only four members of the shadow cabinet to do so. In 1994 he voted for John Prescott over Blair for the leadership. Given his tendency to back losing causes, one Conservative MP called him King Canute.

Hoyle was elected chairman of the PLP at the beginning of the 1992 parliament, winning the third ballot against the even more left-wing Ernie Ross. His past membership of the NEC made him better known among the many new Labour MPs and his election was probably based more on his trade union credentials than his left-wing ones. He regarded himself as a shop steward for the MPs and was fair in representing different views. As in his politics, he claimed to speak up for “my people”.

He was more difficult for the leadership than either of his two successors (Clive Soley and Jean Corston) and was never close to Smith or Blair. However, Smith’s leadership was more tolerant and inclusive than Blair’s and that suited Hoyle. As chairman he presided over some tense debates in the PLP, for example, on the break-up of Yugoslavia, the Maastricht Bill, and a proposal to increase the number of women in the shadow cabinet. He miscalculated on the last by unnecessarily calling a “third reading’’ vote on the proposal and the old guard in the PLP voted it down, albeit only temporarily.

Hoyle retired after the general election had been called in 1997 and was quickly rewarded with a life peerage. Despite telling his son he did not believe in the Lords, he was persuaded to go and fight for change from the red leather benches. He served as a whip until 1999. As a peer he was a member of the parliamentary committee, which met regularly with Blair, and was a shrewd and forceful questioner about the evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, once accusing the prime minister of a “dictatorial” style. He eventually retired from the Lords last year at the age of 97.

Eric Douglas Harvey Hoyle was born in Coppull, Lancashire, in 1926 and brought up in nearby Chorley, where his father, William, was a shop assistant at the Co-op — and a Conservative voter. His mother was Leah (née Harvey). He attended the local Adlington Church of England school, then Horwich and Bolton Technical Colleges, and joined the Labour Party in 1945. While working as a sales engineer, he threw himself into the activity of the ATSMS (the Association of Scientific, Technical and Managerial Staffs) trade union. In 1977 he was elected its president, and for 14 years was either president or vice-president of the union and its successor, the Manufacturing Science and Finance (MSF) union.

Apart from politics, he was interested in sport and was chairman from 1999 until 2009 of Warrington Rugby League Club, and a long-serving president of Adlington Cricket Club.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle paid tribute to his father as he announced his death: “He was easy to talk to and always willing to listen. He was my wing-man, and I was his. Not only have I lost my father — but today, I realise, I have also lost my best friend.”

Lord Hoyle, Labour politician, was born on February 17, 1926. He died on April 6, 2024, aged 98

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I stay strong with Isreal in this difficult times! Every democratic/liberal government has obligation to protect them! 

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Edited April 14, 2024 by KEVINAA