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[Vesper 30,107]

1 minute ago, cosmicway said:

I doubt it.
I have known many muslims and never quarreled with anyone really.
Anyway most of them were Arafatists really but not what you say.
One of them had picked up a fight with an Israeli and the police was called in.
 

In addition those words you use were never heard before 9-11 !
Remember when Hillary Clinton wished us "happy ramazan" at the airport of New York ? She was returning from some place and it was the summer before the 2000 election (Bush-Gore).
There have been issues with muslim countries before.
The Suez crisis of 1955, Arab-Israeli wars, Greek-Turkish disputes, Saddam and others. It was what it was but no religious angle whatsoever back then.
Therefore we are against one particular sect now, admittedly a very dangerous one.
But it's not the religion to blame and it is certainly not enough to shift me from preaching religious tolerence.


 

 

In addition those words you use were never heard before 9-11 ! <<<< LOLOLOLOL

 

pro tip, ask Anwar Sadat about that (you cant, as he is dead, assassinated in 1981 by al-Jama'a al-Islamiyya, in Egypt, whose leader was Omar Abdel-Rahman, aka The Blind Sheik, who also masterminded the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing i NYC.(and for which he spent the rest of his life (died in 2017) in a supermax prison in the US)

Another radical jihadist group back then in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, was partially led by Ayman al-Zawahiri, who went onto greater fame as Osama bin Laden 2nd in command for al-Qaeda 

you have an extremely poor understanding of history and are trafficking in utter untruths and faulty revisionism

I am no longer going to engage with you because it is not my job to be your history professor

[cosmicway 1,333]

13 minutes ago, Vesper said:

 

In addition those words you use were never heard before 9-11 ! <<<< LOLOLOLOL

 

pro tip, ask Anwar Sadat about that (you cant, as he is dead, assassinated in 1981 by al-Jama'a al-Islamiyya, in Egypt, whose leader was Omar Abdel-Rahman, aka The Blind Sheik, who also masterminded the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing i NYC.(and for which he spent the rest of his life (died in 2017) in a supermax prison in the US)

Another radical jihadist group back then in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, was partially led by Ayman al-Zawahiri, who went onto greater fame as Osama bin Laden 2nd in command for al-Qaeda 

you have an extremely poor understanding of history and are trafficking in utter untruths and faulty revisionism

I am no longer going to engage with you because it is not my job to be your history professor

I did n't say there were n't any sects.
In fact Khomeiny's ascendance to power and the capture of the American embassy in Tehran are even earlier incidents to Anwar Sadat's assassination.
I was a rookie soldier those days. When the embassy was taken I was in basic training and they told us. When Sadat was assassinated I was an "old hand" and I saw it happening in the colour tv in the commander's office. At about the same time John Lennon too was assassinated in New York.
Also I did n't say it's not going to engulf all of the islamic world in the future. This may well happen even though we don't like it.
But religious intolerence is like Mauthausen and those places used by the nazis really.

[Vesper 30,107]

 

I don't have too many Catholics among my friends. I have one friend who has always been and is deeply religious and practicing. She is a mother. She works in a sector where it is better to 'keep a low profile' against the government.

Here she is.

Today.

My jaw dropped.

 

Poland's biggest protests in decades stand against abortion ban

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/31/europe/poland-abortion-protests-scli-intl/index.html

 

 

Why so many Poles are breaking with the Catholic Church

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/31/poland-protests-catholic-church-abortion-women/

[Vesper 30,107]

3 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

religious intolerence 

almost ALL comes from religion itself

! don't give a fuck what people believe

just keep it out of my face and never try and shove it down my throat

also, the minute they make laws that intrude upon my freedoms, and abuse, imprison, beat  maim, and kill others for beliefs they disagree with

then it's on like donkey kong

 

[killer1257 3,282]

almost ALL comes from religion itself
! don't give a fuck what people believe
just keep it out of my face and never try and shove it down my throat
also, the minute they make laws that intrude upon my freedoms, and abuse, imprison, beat  maim, and kill others for beliefs they disagree with
then it's on like donkey kong

 

I am not religious, but not all religions promote violence. I know couple of religions that have very friendly nature and just promote just meditation and peace. There are even homosexuality friendly religions out there, animal friendly religions etc.

And even without religions, we still would have wars. Just nature of human kind.

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[cosmicway 1,333]

12 minutes ago, Vesper said:

almost ALL comes from religion itself

! don't give a fuck what people believe

just keep it out of my face and never try and shove it down my throat

also, the minute they make laws that intrude upon my freedoms, and abuse, imprison, beat  maim, and kill others for beliefs they disagree with

then it's on like donkey kong

 

Aaaaaa.
Then we add a fifth dynamic religion to those we already have:
The non-religion.
Sovietski-tavarich v. rest of the world.

[Vesper 30,107]

4 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Aaaaaa.
Then we add a fifth dynamic religion to those we already have:
The non-religion.
Sovietski-tavarich v. rest of the world.

refusing to believe in sky-beings and their far too often anti-human diktats is hardly a religion

[Vesper 30,107]

7 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I am not religious, but not all religions promote violence. I know couple of religions that have very friendly nature and just promote just meditation and peace. There are even homosexuality friendly religions out there, animal friendly religions etc.

And even without religions, we still would have wars. Just nature of human kind.

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unfortunately the dominant ones atm (and for most of human history) are the death cults

[cosmicway 1,333]

6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

refusing to believe in sky-beings and their far too often anti-human diktats is hardly a religion

The circle of intolerants was led by Moscow really and some others came along.

[killer1257 3,282]

unfortunately the dominant ones atm (and for most of human history) are the death cults

That is maybe true, but I don't like saying that all religions are death cults. Some are, some are not. There are nations that have a lot of criminals and I would not say that all of their population is criminal. Some are, some are not. Some religions do have toxic opinions, some others do not have them.
Depends on the religion.





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[cosmicway 1,333]

Only the crusades were religious wars (11-12th century) and if you look at those objectively the Europeans had as much right to reclaim the old Roman provinces as the Arabs had
to conquer Magreb and Spain.
There were no other religious wars.
It's true though that in earlier centuries Christianity proved incapable to unite the peoples of Europe and further out and to bring an end to wars.
But to say that the christian religion caused wars is an insane distortion of history.
The muslims were less peaceful -that too is true- but in the 20th ceentury before Bin Laden, islam was not a warlike religion on the whole.

[Vesper 30,107]

16 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

The circle of intolerants was led by Moscow really and some others came along.

Moscow has fuckall to do with my stances in life

no matter if you are talking about Imperial days, the Communist age, or post breakup of the CCCP

[Vesper 30,107]

8 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

That is maybe true, but I don't like saying that all religions are death cults. Some are, some are not. There are nations that have a lot of criminals and I would not say that all of their population is criminal. Some are, some are not. Some religions do have toxic opinions, some others do not have them.
Depends on the religion.





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I do not recall making the universal statement that ALL religions were death cults

mine isn't

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Moscow has fuckall to do with my stances in life

no matter if you are talking about Imperial days, the Communist age, or post breakup of the CCCP

 

The communist state is the mother of atheism.
Fact is Marx was inspired by Le Robespierre in this, but the communist state came to be regarded as the atheist's Mecca.

 

[Vesper 30,107]

3 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

 

The communist state is the mother of atheism.
Fact is, Marx was inspired by Le Robespierre in this, but the communist state came to be regarded as the atheist's Mecca.

 

oh, ffs

get a grip

non believers have been around as long as believers (200,000 years or more)

and stop trying to red bait

it's pathetic