Politics & Stuff

[Fernando 6,585]

1 minute ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yes, its labelling at the end of the day. Its thrown around too much, but States are usually the worst culprits

Take a look at this. Canada did a fair analysis on this. I look at the FBI website and it wasn't satisfying to me. So I took the Canada one as they where fair in their research:

The past few decades have witnessed an increase in the scholarship produced regarding terrorism. Critical to this body of literature has been the definition of terrorism. Although defining terrorism has proven to be a highly contentious issue, there is some agreement among academics that the term is highly malleable and is hence, open to many different definitions and interpretations (Staiger et al. 2008; Weinberg et al. 2004; Fletcher 2006).

Many factors have been identified as contributing to the complexity involved in determining the definition of "terrorism." According to Weinberg et al. (2004), the primary factors that impede any attempt to provide a formal definition of terrorism include the use of the term for political purposes; problems associated with the scope of the term (i.e. identifying where terrorism begins and ends); and issues associated with the analytical characteristics of terrorism.  Others argue that much of the difficulty surrounding the definition of terrorism stems from the need to develop a concrete meaning of the term (Grob-Fitzgibbon 2005; Fletcher 2006). For example, Grob-Fitzgibbon (2005) argues that the term remains ambiguous as a result of governments and scholars seeking to define the term too broadly so as to classify any form of unconventional violence as terrorism. Rather, the author suggests that governments and academics avoid "general" definitions of terrorism and instead acknowledge the various meanings the term may occupy. Despite this call to utilize the numerous and varied definitions of terrorism, legal definitions continue to serve as the primary and formally recognized definitions utilized by many governments and people. Given the scope of this project, it is critical that such terms subsequently serve as the foundation on which this report is based.

In Canada, section 83.01 of the Criminal Code^[1] defines terrorism as an act committed "in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause" with the intention of intimidating the public "…with regard to its security, including its economic security, or compelling a person, a government or a domestic or an international organization to do or to refrain from doing any act." Activities recognized as criminal within this context include death and bodily harm with the use of violence; endangering a person’s life; risks posed to the health and safety of the public; significant property damage; and interference or disruption of essential services, facilities or systems.  It is useful to briefly contrast this definition with those adopted by other nations operating under law systems similar to that of Canada.  According to the British Terrorism Act (2006), terrorism refers to the use and threat of action "designed to influence the government or to intimidate the public or a section of the public" and "made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause."  Similar to the legal definition of terrorism in Canada, violence against people; damage to property; endangerment of life; and risks to the health or safety of the public are the key actions addressed within the Act. In the United States, terrorism is defined as consisting of activities that "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State….intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; influence the policy of a government by intimidation; or…affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping."  Finally, the legal definition of terrorism in the European Union can be found in the EU Framework Decision on Combating Terrorism (2002) which identifies terrorism as activities with the aim of "seriously intimidating a population, or; unduly compelling a government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or; seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation." Activities that may be deemed terrorist under this framework include attacks on people resulting in death, kidnapping or hostage taking and extensive destruction to a government or public facility.  Although it is widely acknowledged that attempts to establish a definition of terrorism that transcends various national borders have been largely unsuccessful (Staiger et al. 2008), the definitions presented clearly show that some consistency can be found in the various definitions employed by the governments of many Western democracies. Given these similarities, the approaches adopted by these governments toward the issue of victims of terrorism may provide some key insights on the various ways other governments can address the multiple issues that affect victims of terrorism. 

More info here as it's more of a longer article: 

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/victim/rr09_6/p3.html

[Fernando 6,585]

By the way @Fulham Broadwayif you care the posture of my church about these events here it goes

https://thechapel.com/site/assets/files/1/thoughts_on_israel_-_nov_2023.pdf

[lucio 5,418]

58 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Yes and they don't did terrorism just because, kill babies, rape women and such. 

Any country has the right to defend themselves when these acts of terrorism happens. 

And segregation? Please men, then all black people in North America and South America have a right to terrorism...ludicrous statement. The leader of the movement to end segregation, Martin Luther King will cold hardly disagree with your view. People have a right to protest and defend themselves, but no act of terrorism. 

So Israel doesn’t have a right to terrorism too ? 

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

Yes and they don't did terrorism just because, kill babies, rape women and such. 

Any country has the right to defend themselves when these acts of terrorism happens. 

And segregation? Please men, then all black people in North America and South America have a right to terrorism...ludicrous statement. The leader of the movement to end segregation, Martin Luther King will cold hardly disagree with your view. People have a right to protest and defend themselves, but no act of terrorism. 

All that was said , is that the Jewish settlers caused the war , remember it is a longstanding war , it didn’t start last month 

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

So Native Americans in North America have a right to attack Americans and Latinos because we are settling their land?

Crazy argument. 

Nothing justify terrorism. 

They want to toss Israel into the sea - that's the objective.
The pieces of land they talk about now were already theirs before the 1967 war they started !
No settler, legal or otherwise, attacked Pals with rockets.

[YorkshireBlue 3,281]

I absolutely love this thread, please can you all continue to type the bullshit! It's absolutely fascinating to read.

[Vesper 30,235]

11 hours ago, cosmicway said:

No settler, legal or otherwise, attacked Pals with rockets.

they don't have to, they are not pinned in the world's largest open air prison, so they can just burn, bulldoze their homes, and illegally seize their land in the West Bank, plus shoot or beat them to death

[Fernando 6,585]

20 hours ago, lucio said:

All that was said , is that the Jewish settlers caused the war , remember it is a longstanding war , it didn’t start last month 

Well after all the chat we had here, I hope Palestine do get their two state solution. 

And for Israel to not interfere with Palestinians sovereign and vice versa. 

As that is cry of everyone, for Palestinian to have their own state. Let's see if that resolves the issue with all this and if Israel leaves them a lone.....but then again even if you have that, would you resolved the hatred that exist from longstanding war as you mentioned?

Edited November 28, 2023 by Fernando

[cosmicway 1,333]

11 hours ago, Vesper said:

they don't have to, they are not pinned in the world's largest open air prison, so they can just burn, bulldoze their homes, and illegally seize their land in the West Bank, plus shoot or beat them to death

So if I place a bomb in the British museum -who are undisputedly thieves of the Greek archaeological treasures- I won't be a terrorist.
I have the right to place bombs and kill people, you reckon ?

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

4 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

So if I place a bomb in the British museum -who are undisputedly thieves of the Greek archaeological treasures- I won't be a terrorist.
I have the right to place bombs and kill people, you reckon ?

You would be a terrorist. That being said, if the British oppressed and committed genocide against the Greeks to obtain that archaeological treasure, they too would be considered terrorists. 

Noticing a theme?

[cosmicway 1,333]

47 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

You would be a terrorist. That being said, if the British oppressed and committed genocide against the Greeks to obtain that archaeological treasure, they too would be considered terrorists. 

Noticing a theme?

I do notice a theme.
The 300 victims of the Como lake massacre were terrorists to the Germans.
Were they ?
That's why I used to kind of support a political settlement in Palestine despite the 1967 war and the Yom Kippur war, but not this.
The resistance -Italian, Greek, French- never killed and beheaded babies.

* you misuse the word genocide.
There's never been such.

Edited November 28, 2023 by cosmicway

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

16 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

I do notice a theme.
The 300 victims of the Como lake massacre were terrorists to the Germans.
Were they ?
That's why I used to kind of support a political settlement in Palestine despite of the 1967 war and the Yom Kippur war, but not this.
The resistance -Italian, Greek, French- never killed and beheaded babies.

* you misuse the word genocide.
There's never been such.

So the Zionist led massacres on Palestinians throughout 1932-1947 which were motivated by ethnical cleansing and mass exodus isn't considered genocide?

You really don't half try to hide your blatant political agenda. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

So the Zionist led massacres on Palestinians throughout 1932-1947 which were motivated by ethnical cleansing and mass exodus isn't considered genocide?

You really don't half try to hide your blatant political agenda. 

I wonder how the king of Morocco would react if someone did an 10/7 against Morocco.

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

19 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

I wonder how the king of Morocco would react if someone did an 10/7 against Morocco.

I could tell you what he wouldn't do. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,336]

Elgin Marbles should be returned to Greece.

But seeing as they were given to the UK by the Turks when they ruled Greece, and someone here thinks its ok for Israel to keep palestinian land . olive and orange groves, fuck 'em 😁

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[Vesper 30,235]

[Vesper 30,235]

14 hours ago, KEVINAA said:

Click on this. It's the countdown clock by the controlled opposition group q. It's going down all the chaos. Panic.

https://qofficial.net/password

lol

QAnon

flypaper for the RW mouthbreathers

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,336]

41 minutes ago, Vesper said:

lol

QAnon

flypaper for the RW mouthbreathers

 

I dont think 'democracies have ever been more divisive. US, UK Canada, Europe, even Japan If you go back 25-30 years to the fall of Berlin wall 1989 people respected the opposition. They might not agree with them but accepted the election results.

Now 'if you're not with us you're against us and we hate you'

Cui bono from dividing people ? -the very rich. However they ought to be careful using their billionaire media barons and social media moguls to stoke disharmony. History shows autocratic regimes are the most likely to confiscate the assets of the rich....

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

lol

QAnon

flypaper for the RW mouthbreathers

 

One of the main guys who debunked the pizza gate thing just got arrested for child pornography tho , pretty sus