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[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

22 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

This is for kids.
I can accept that 9-11 was CIA's fault and they should have resigned and maybe Bush too (n.b. I have an extraordinary story about this).
But not in this is case.
If the state of military readiness is below amber alert anyone can create a small skirmish near a border town (and it was a small skirmish albeit very deadly).
It depends on the border geography also. If there is no natural border such as a river something can always get through.

The most expensive security fence in the World, listening devices, cameras, and then 13 hours before israeli response hahaha yeah right. Every steal of Palestinain land has come the same way At the same time Netanyahu issued 10 000 kalshnikovs to settlers on the West Bank to murder Palestinians and drive them out of their houses- 46 so far

'In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

Its there in black and white. 

 

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Palestinians under attack as Israeli settler violence surges in the West Bank - BBC News

[cosmicway 1,333]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

The most expensive security fence in the World, listening devices, cameras, and then 13 hours before israeli response hahaha yeah right. Every steal of Palestinain land has come the same way At the same time Netanyahu issued 10 000 kalshnikovs to settlers on the West Bank to murder Palestinians and drive them out of their houses- 46 so far

'In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

Its there in black and white. 

 

Not 13 hours, but a couple of hours. 13 hours was is before they started bombarding Gaza.
The truth is if there is no amber alert-red alert state anything can be breached and a local incident created. 
Even the East German wall, by suicide commandoes. They would be able to proceed one or two miles inland.

With 9-11 I believe the Americans were idiots because this thing happened:
On the 6th of September a group of American airport security officers visit Greece.
They found 23 security holes in the new Athens airport they said.
For the following two days it was party time for the opposition press.
The government (pasok) offered some lame excuses. According to them about half of those security holes were known and could be justified because the airport was brand new.
But that leaves 12 security holes.
Yet whatever the Greek government did afterwards those know it all American experts returned to America and this thing happened to them.
The Al Qaeddas did it with knives hidden in their hand held luggages.
After 9-11 we were talking about the events here and one comes and says he flied on the 10th from Athens to Salonica with a long knife in his handbag.
I don't remember what he said he wanted it for but nobody searched his handbag - only his suitcase was x-rayed.
So the American security were caught with their pants down on 9-11 (and as for the Greek security, well it did n't chance upon them).

What the Israelis might have observed and did n't was political movements in Gaza.
But maybe there were n't any to observe.

Edited October 21, 2023 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

Not 13 hours, but a couple of hours. 13 hours was is before they started bombarding Gaza.
The truth is if there is no amber alert-red alert state anything can be breached and a local incident created. 
Even the East German wall, by suicide commandoes. They would be able to proceed one or two miles inland.

With 9-11 I believe the Americans were idiots because this thing happened:
On the 6th of September a group of American airport security officers visit Greece.
They found 23 security holes in the new Athens airport they said.
For the following two days it was party time for the opposition press.
The government (pasok) offered some lame excuses. According to them about half of those security holes were known and could be justified because the airport was brand new.
But that leaves 12 security holes.
Yet whatever the Greek government did afterwards those know it all American experts returned to America and this thing happened to them.
The Al Qaeddas did it with knives hidden in their hand held luggages.
After 9-11 we were talking about the events here and one comes and says he flied on the 10th from Athens to Salonica with a long knife in his handbag.
I don't remember what he said he wanted it for but nobody searched his handbag - only his suitcase was x-rayed.
So the American security were caught with their pants down on 9-11 (and as for the Greek security, well it did n't chance upon them).

What the Israelis might have observed and did n't was political movements in Gaza.
But maybe there were n't any to observe.

Some waited 13 hours some waited 20 hours. That is the facts.

How Israel Responded to the Deadly Hamas Attacks: A Timeline - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

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https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/israeli-columnist-calls-out-lgbtq-activists-who-back-palestine-i-welcome-you-to-go-to-gaza-hillel-fuld-west-bank-lgbt-gay-lesbian-rights My bias isn't only regarding whom I've met. I know we will not change anyone's mind here, esp regarding multiple different issues, like treatment of women, LGBT rights, freedom of speech. American journalists claim that news reporting which come from Israel tend to be more trustworthy than coming from places which completely lack freedom of speech.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e3

Interesting that only Al Jazeera reported as "an Israeli attack." (Arabic Fox News I suppose) NYT reported that Palestine claimed it was an Israeli attack. Personally, I'm interested in the facts, not claims.

[Amad_diallo 17]

Now we see the hypocrisy by the Americans on full display !

 

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1 minute ago, Amad_diallo said:

Now we see the hypocrisy by the Americans on full display !

 

Agreed, the hypocrisy of the "so called" liberals is mind boggling to me.

I hope you were referring to the links, and points made in the article, not me, because I'd suggest sticking to discussing the points and ideas.

[Amad_diallo 17]

4 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Agreed, the hypocrisy of the "so called" liberals is mind boggling to me.

I hope you were referring to the links, and points made in the article, not me, because I'd suggest sticking to discussing the points and ideas.

No I was not referring to you or the links, just stating overall because im watching the news al Jazeera as we speak.

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[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

Cutting off food, electricity, water, dropping phosphorous bombs on the most densely populated area in the World is genocide.

Not my words, the words of imtelligent jews

 

[Amad_diallo 17]

This war on gaza is so wrong on so many different levels. America wanna hold Russia accountable. 

But let Israel have at it and wipe hamas of the planet earth including bombing hospital,  committing   war crime after war crimes killing civilians 

Whenever there's war America is involved in some way shape or form. And then they wanna call the middle east terrorist's yeah right !!

 

[Fernando 6,585]

On 21/10/2023 at 16:00, Amad_diallo said:

This war on gaza is so wrong on so many different levels. America wanna hold Russia accountable. 

But let Israel have at it and wipe hamas of the planet earth including bombing hospital,  committing   war crime after war crimes killing civilians 

Whenever there's war America is involved in some way shape or form. And then they wanna call the middle east terrorist's yeah right !!

 

Is not just hypocrisy on the US, but the entire world. No one wants to get in because of risking WW3. 

If people cared long ago they would have enter to help Ukraine but nooooo because they are scared of Putin. 

If people cared long ago they would have enter to help the people of Afghanistan that US left a black hole, but noooo because US fault and there is no interested for us in helping. 

And now here in the Israel. 

In the end it's the same everywhere. Not jus the US but the entire world, I mean that's why UN was created for? To coordinate with other countries so that each countries send their troops since UN don't have military. But here the world don't get in. So it's not just US, but the entire world. If the world wanted to get something done, long ago would have gotten it done. But fear of nuke wars and no vested interest is what drives the world to just talk and no action. 

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On 21/10/2023 at 13:28, Amad_diallo said:

No I was not referring to you or the links, just stating overall because im watching the news al Jazeera as we speak.

Fair enough, but in my personal take of what news is, both Fox News and al Jazeera don't qualify. This does not necessarily have anything to do with the conflict, mind you. 

For example, less than an hour after the attack on the hospital in Gaza, the headline on Al Jazeera was that "Israel bombs..." Hey everybody has biases, even journalists, but making claims like that just doesn't work for me. It's like they are simply not doing their job.

It's little more than opinions on social media. Everything you read or watch is very much a personal take on a pice of news, or a fake.

It's often OK to say, "we don't know." when you don't know. 

"The New York Times walked back its initial coverage on the explosion that killed hundreds of Palestinians at a Gaza Strip hospital last week, saying in an editors’ note that the newspaper “relied too heavily on claims” made by the Hamas militant group."
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/23/gaza-hospital-new-york-times-00122986

One of my main fears of the immediate future is the deterioration of the news media. "News for profit" with shareholders can become very vulnerable to the "smart moneys."

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[Fernando 6,585]

Israel shows Hamas bodycam attack footage to journalists

The Israeli military held a screening for journalists on Monday of raw footage recovered from Hamas body cameras, in an effort to remind the world of the brutality of the attack on Israel two weeks ago.

The bodycam footage, cut together with clips from CCTV, dashboard cameras and the mobile phones of both Hamas gunmen and victims, showed in stark detail the sheer horror visited on a music festival and family neighbourhoods in southern Israel.

The Israeli military also released documents which they said were recovered from dead Hamas members, containing detailed operational planning and instructions for attacking the neighbourhoods and taking hostages.

The 43 minutes of footage screened in Tel Aviv on Monday was distilled from hundreds of hours of footage collected since the attack, the Israeli military said. It contained clips of Hamas gunmen cheering with apparent joy as they shot civilians on the road, and later stalking the pathways of kibbutzim and killing parents and children in their homes.

One traumatic sequence, taken from home cameras inside of a kibbutz, showed a father rushing his two young boys into an above ground shelter, seconds before Hamas attackers threw a grenade in, killing the father and wounding the boys.

 

After the two boys, bloodied and in shock, had staggered back into their home screaming, a Hamas gunman calmly entered and looked through the fridge in front of them, pausing to take a drink before walking out again.

 

One of the boys cried to his brother: "Daddy is dead, this is not a prank," and repeated "Why am I alive"? His brother was apparently blinded by the grenade. The military spokesman present was unable to say whether they survived.

 

The film also contained an audio recording of one of the Hamas gunmen calling home to his parents in Gaza from the phone of a victim to boast that he had "killed at least 10 Jews with my bare hands".

 

"Please open WhatsApp and look how many dead," he implored his parents repeatedly, apparently referring to pictures or video he had sent home showing the attack. "Your son killed so many Jews," he said. "Mum, your son is a hero."

 

Another sequence showed one Hamas gunman shooting the apparently dead bodies of civilians inside a kibbutz in a celebratory manner, and an attempt to decapitate someone who appeared to be still alive using a garden hoe.

 

The footage, some taken from mobile phones of victims, also showed the abject fear of those who hid in safe rooms and shelters as the sounds of gunfire and explosions came closer.

 

The decision to screen the raw footage for journalists reflected an apparent frustration among senior ranks of the Israeli military that the media coverage of Hamas's brutal attack on 7 October had given way to coverage of Israel's air strikes against Gaza and the humanitarian crisis created by Israel's order for Gazans to migrate south.

 

Speaking to the assembled international media after the screening, Major General Michael Edelstein, a former IDF Gaza division commander, said he had been "shocked" by the coverage.

 

"We see that some of the channels are trying to compare what Israel is doing and what those vile terrorists are doing," General Edelstein said.

 

"I cannot understand anyone who compares," he said. "And after what we have shared with you, you should know it."

 

More than 1,400 Israelis have been killed since the Hamas attack on 7 October, according to Israeli authorities - the vast majority in the initial assault. More than 220 are believed to have been taken hostage inside Gaza.

 

The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says more than 5,000 Palestinians have been killed since Israel's air strikes began in response, and according to the Palestinian health ministry in the occupied West Bank, 91 Palestinians have been killed there since 7 October.

 

After the screening of the footage on Monday, a virtual reality experience was available, created using video from the first responders who entered family homes in the kibbutzim targeted by Hamas.

 

The Israeli military also released two instruction manuals taken from dead Hamas gunmen, containing detailed plans for the attack and for taking hostages.

 

"They must shoot down as many victims as possible, take hostages and take some of them to the Gaza Strip using various cars," said one part of the manual.

 

In a separate document specifically about hostages, the Hamas operatives were instructed to "kill the problematic and those who pose a threat" and gather others together to use as "cannon fodder".

 

Israel's military is still reeling from the 7 October attack, the worst breach of its defences in the south in 50 years. Despite huge resources being put into destroying Hamas tunnels and expanding Israel's security fence both below ground and out to sea, Hamas was able to storm and breach the fence in huge numbers.

 

More than 1,000 militants crossed into Israel in the initial incursion, General Edelstein said on Monday. The first parts of the video compilation showed groups of pick-up trucks packed with Hamas gunmen, driving freely along Israeli highways and shooting civilians at will.

 

The documents recovered from the bodies of the Hamas militants made it clear that Hamas "came with orders to slaughter and burn citizens", General Edelstein said.

 

"They simply decided to burn families within their homes. And they took hostages alive, they were aiming to take children back into Gaza," he said.

 

"Orders were there for how many to kill, how many to take as hostages. Orders were there to rape, all was written and ordered."

 

Speaking before the screening, Israeli military spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said that members of the military had debated whether to show the footage, but that he had decided personally to go ahead.

 

"We understand already that we need to create a collective memory for the future," he said. "We will not let the world forget."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67198270

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Wow after seeing things like this it reminds me of USA and September 11. The country was mad and went into a dumb war that at the end we just left it worse. 

Seems like the same here. The Israeli are mad and won't be stopping for a while. It's sad because a lot of people that are innocent get caught in this. But just like with usa and Afghanistan, sadly this would last a while as well. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

Explains a lot -but have to watch on youtube for some reason

best rated comment -As an Israeli I am against Netanyahu and against the settlements, many of us have always been and still are. What’s happening right now is just unbearable. Thank you for not being afraid to show the whole picture, and for not picking sides as if human beings getting killed or worse could somehow be less important when politics are involved.

 

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[Vesper 30,233]

19 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

 

a must watch

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12 minutes ago, Vesper said:

a must watch

Exactly mate. You dont have to be a Muslim or any religion, just a human being, to challenge the apartheid occupation of peoples houses and slaughter of women and children - 350 today alone.

[Fernando 6,585]

7 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Explains a lot -but have to watch on youtube for some reason

best rated comment -As an Israeli I am against Netanyahu and against the settlements, many of us have always been and still are. What’s happening right now is just unbearable. Thank you for not being afraid to show the whole picture, and for not picking sides as if human beings getting killed or worse could somehow be less important when politics are involved.

 

Sounds like conspiracy theory. Kind of of like of the USA with 911. 

Hey everyone can have their own opinion, but I don't agree with those conspiracy theory.