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[cosmicway 1,333]

Do you know why WWII really ended ?
It was n't the fall of Berlin, it was psychology.
The objective of the nazis was to win the war and capture Los Angeles, San Francisco, Manhattan also and all the lands further east.
Fight for an independent Bradenburg - Saxony Anhalt was a joke even to the diehard SS troopers.
So they all said "ich nein nazi general, ich sozialei demokratei".
These days it is even more prohibitive of course.
While in 1940 a country the size of Germany could conceivably conquer the world given a strong military, nowadays it is impossible.
From the French side grand empereur if he was around today would say the same thing.

In Japan a similar thing apparently happened, as well as the emperor saw the light to Damascus and converted.

This war however how to end it ?
By securing what military objectives ?
I know not of a single Arab who tolerates Israel. There is a nuance of attitudes regarding the use of violence but they are all anti-jewish and anti-semitic.
I have talked with people from the oil rich gulf states.

There is n't a single Palestinian living in the proximity of Israel who would n't use a bazooka or portable rocket against Israeli people given the chance.
And if they ever win they will bring nukes from Iran in the region - acting as Putin client states (formerly Soviet client states) they want to drive the Americans out of middle east and the med.

Edited October 18, 2023 by cosmicway

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

20 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

But there are rules of engagement

Speaking as ex military who has been in Iraq and Afghanistan, yes there is, and there an absolute joke! Also reading some of these posts in this thread is an insult to my eyes, idgaf if it's Britain America, Israel Hamas, Ukraine or Russia the end result is exactly the same for the boots on the ground, I hate politics politicians and anything associated with it, there all fucking idiots and haven't a clue what they are doing, but they are all fucking brilliant at sending men and women to die in Thier name, tossers the fucking lot of them.

Edited October 18, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

26 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Speaking as ex military who has been in Iraq and Afghanistan, yes there is, and there an absolute joke! Also reading some of these posts in this thread is an insult to my eyes, idgaf if it's Britain America, Israel Hamas, Ukraine or Russia the end result is exactly the same for the boots on the ground, I hate politics politicians and anything associated with it, there all fucking idiots and haven't a clue what they are doing, but they are all fucking brilliant at sending men and women to die in Thier name, tossers the fucking lot of them.

Bullies, actually worse than bullies, theyre like the kids at school that used to hang around the bullies egging them on. Leaders using cannon fodder since WW1 and before as they sit in luxury Utter vermin

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

Owen Jones is right. Every time since 1948 when Israel drives out Palestinians they never return. Now they are going to take Gaza, 

The Israeli false flag bombing of the King David Hotel was the start to kill and drive out 5500

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

Liverpool's Salah calls for end to 'massacres' in Gaza | Watch (msn.com)

[cosmicway 1,333]

Early Hamas broadcast:
 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

Right wing versus Muslims and radical Muslims versus Europe

Once upon a time, fifty-sixty years ago there was the Arab-Israeli conflict but there was nothing religious about it.
The extreme right wingers were operating in Europe, just like they do now. Their targets were no longer the Jews really (but some rhetoric was kept alive). They were after the black people and the Asiatic peoples,
Also the junta crowd. Those had no involvement whatsoever with race or religion. They were after the parliamentary institutions and the trade unions.

In the eighties Ayatollah Khomeini enters the scene. Turns Iran into a fanatical religious siitic state. But -more or less- it was confined within the borders of Iran so no great worry.
Basically the muslims were the dears of the west. Turkey were considered the pillar of the NATO alliance in the east. In 1974 when they invaded Cyprus the NF extremists in Britain were shouting for them (yasasin Turkiye, yasasin Rauf Denktash).
Things did n't change in the nineties. The fanatical muslims were US allies in Afghanistan, Bosnia.
A strange episode takes place in the year 2000. It was the time Bill Clinton was lame duck president and G.W. Bush was the elected president. Hillary made a trip somewhere, South America or Europe - I don't remember and when she returned and landed in New York airport she yelled to the journalists "happy ramadan everybody". Ramadan coincided with November-December that year, but in America it is not of course usual to greet people with "happy ramadan". So that was a demonstration of multi-religious unity by the Hillary. 
But one year later we all know what happened.
Meanwhile in the middle east things had started to change in the Palestinian camp. The Soviet Union and its advisers were no longer, so new political forces started to appear - islam oriented this time.

The thing escalated and it went beyond Palestinians and their conflict with Israel: Bombs-assassinations, assassinations-bombs.
No longer could it be attributed to the traditional racism of the westerners. This exists and it accentuates things, but it was the islam fundamentalists who became terrorists.
The extreme right wingers responded in kind. Without abandoning their old ideas (antiblack-antisemite-antidemocracy) they found a new target and of course they are mostly anti-muslim these days.

The communists rejoice in this. You may call them remnants of communism because USSR is gone, but it's the same people as before.
They relish in division and hatred hoping this will bring down capitalism.

What we saw last week is only the last episode and Israel is asked to capitulate not on the basis of some UN decision or American pressure, but to cold blooded - nazi like terrorism.
Well, don't expect them to do that.
 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

3 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Right wing versus Muslims and radical Muslims versus Europe

Once upon a time, fifty-sixty years ago there was the Arab-Israeli conflict but there was nothing religious about it.
The extreme right wingers were operating in Europe, just like they do now. Their targets were no longer the Jews really (but some rhetoric was kept alive). They were after the black people and the Asiatic peoples,
Also the junta crowd. Those had no involvement whatsoever with race or religion. They were after the parliamentary institutions and the trade unions.

In the eighties Ayatollah Khomeini enters the scene. Turns Iran into a fanatical religious siitic state. But -more or less- it was confined within the borders of Iran so no great worry.
Basically the muslims were the dears of the west. Turkey were considered the pillar of the NATO alliance in the east. In 1974 when they invaded Cyprus the NF extremists in Britain were shouting for them (yasasin Turkiye, yasasin Rauf Denktash).
Things did n't change in the nineties. The fanatical muslims were US allies in Afghanistan, Bosnia.
A strange episode takes place in the year 2000. It was the time Bill Clinton was lame duck president and G.W. Bush was the elected president. Hillary made a trip somewhere, South America or Europe - I don't remember and when she returned and landed in New York airport she yelled to the journalists "happy ramadan everybody". Ramadan coincided with November-December that year, but in America it is not of course usual to greet people with "happy ramadan". So that was a demonstration of multi-religious unity by the Hillary. 
But one year later we all know what happened.
Meanwhile in the middle east things had started to change in the Palestinian camp. The Soviet Union and its advisers were no longer, so new political forces started to appear - islam oriented this time.

The thing escalated and it went beyond Palestinians and their conflict with Israel: Bombs-assassinations, assassinations-bombs.
No longer could it be attributed to the traditional racism of the westerners. This exists and it accentuates things, but it was the islam fundamentalists who became terrorists.
The extreme right wingers responded in kind. Without abandoning their old ideas (antiblack-antisemite-antidemocracy) they found a new target and of course they are mostly anti-muslim these days.

The communists rejoice in this. You may call them remnants of communism because USSR is gone, but it's the same people as before.
They relish in division and hatred hoping this will bring down capitalism.

What we saw last week is only the last episode and Israel is asked to capitulate not on the basis of some UN decision or American pressure, but to cold blooded - nazi like terrorism.
Well, don't expect them to do that.
 

 

Not sure where to start with that doesnt seem to make any sense, however I will correct just one point.

Iran had a prosperous peaceful democratic government, with an elected PM Mossadeq. He decided to nationalise Iranian oil which fucked off British and american oil companies who had been siphoning out Iranian oil for decades. The CIA and British intelligence organised a coup against him and installed the Shah, gave him a luxury lifestyle, tortue police and armed guards so he would turn on the oil again for the US and UK. 

The Iranian people had enough, with the Shahs secret police killing and having their family members 'disappear' if they challenged the autocratic rule.  and this culminated in the Iranian revolution of 89. with s succession of Ayoltollahs, religous leaders. 

So the US and UK created the current religous nutters in Iran and that situation that exists

In 2013, the US government formally acknowledged its role in the coup as being a part of its foreign policy initiatives, including paying protestors and bribing officials.

[cosmicway 1,333]

40 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Not sure where to start with that doesnt seem to make any sense, however I will correct just one point.

Iran had a prosperous peaceful democratic government, with an elected PM Mossadeq. He decided to nationalise Iranian oil which fucked off British and american oil companies who had been siphoning out Iranian oil for decades. The CIA and British intelligence organised a coup against him and installed the Shah, gave him a luxury lifestyle, tortue police and armed guards so he would turn on the oil again for the US and UK. 

The Iranian people had enough, with the Shahs secret police killing and having their family members 'disappear' if they challenged the autocratic rule.  and this culminated in the Iranian revolution of 89. with s succession of Ayoltollahs, religous leaders. 

So the US and UK created the current religous nutters in Iran and that situation that exists

In 2013, the US government formally acknowledged its role in the coup as being a part of its foreign policy initiatives, including paying protestors and bribing officials.

I actually think I make perfect sense.
I don't have a Cambridge proficiency degree in the language of Shakespeare, during GCE years I was throwing paper planes to the teacher so I have n't got a GCE in English either.
But because I listened to the BBC, the horse racing commentators and the football commentators I think Oxford Union would make me nowadays leader speaker (for the nays or the yays - it depends).
I do have a membership card of Oxford Union somewhere.

Anyway I digress.
This thing with Mossadeq happened in the early fifties.
Although probably not the saintly figure you portray him as, he was the legal elected president of Iran and the Shah was the product of a coup d' etat.
Neverhteless during Shah years I met many Iranians, men and girls and they were quite decent guys.
The girls were very beautiful and we all know that Iranian women are the most beutiful. None of them wore a jihab of course.
Not all but most of those Iranian guys were against the shah and they wanted democracy to be reestablished in their country.
There was one strange exception. One who was studying Maths and he was going about with a Quran preaching. We thought he was a strange individual. That one had a Malaysian friend who was more or less acting the same, but I never exchanged words with the Malaysian.
Khomeini fooled the Iranians and instead of democracy brought about this. You know the story with the American hostages. Those days there were some Iranian government ministers who did n't like it and protested. Khomeinism had not taken a firm foothold yet but was about to. Those ministers were put into mince meat machines by the Ayatollah.

So yes, it was American-British mischief making in the beginning of days.
Same with Bin Laden.
The late departed Bin Laden enjoyed a spell as American hero because of Afghanistan. They even sent a Time magazine reporter to interview him and you can google the story. The reporter said at the time "ok, yeah - he seemed like a bright fellow to me - but oh mi god strange as hell".
 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

7 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

I was throwing paper planes to the teacher so I have n't got a GCE in English either.

🤣

 

8 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

They even sent a Time magazine reporter to interview him

Yeah remember that and Bush inviting all the Taliban to his Texas ranch

For all israels 'we are civilised they are barbarians' rhetoric they kill with impunity, and treated over 1000 ISIS in Israeli hospitals during Syria conflict 

Politicians of most states have no scruples about human life, but if you want to know what theyre up to just ask  cui bono ?

[Vesper 30,233]

Noussair Mazraoui is not training with the team today, as per BILD. Mazraoui has had conversation with Bayern bosses after his pro-Palestine post on social media. Both sides have clearly and plainly exchanged their positions.

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

This argument of pigheadedness is a common trait from the right in this conflict. Either they are protecting their interests are they are just that ignorant.

 

Hijab: I need you to be fair.

Piers: I will be fair.

Hijab: I condemn Hamas. Do you condemn Israel's response?

Piers: I support Israel's efforts to defend themselves.

Hijab: Beautiful. Do you defend Palestine's efforts to defend themselves against 70 years of oppression?

Piers: I don't know what the proportionate response is.

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

42 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

This argument of pigheadedness is a common trait from the right in this conflict. Either they are protecting their interests are they are just that ignorant.

 

Hijab: I need you to be fair.

Piers: I will be fair.

Hijab: I condemn Hamas. Do you condemn Israel's response?

Piers: I support Israel's efforts to defend themselves.

Hijab: Beautiful. Do you defend Palestine's efforts to defend themselves against 70 years of oppression?

Piers: I don't know what the proportionate response is.

 

Morgan is a prick but at least hes had Palestinian speakers on every night

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[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

10 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Morgan is a prick but at least hes had Palestinian speakers on every night

I applaud his openness to hosting such debates whereas Ben Shapiro is scared shitless to debate against them. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

12 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I applaud his openness to hosting such debates whereas Ben Shapiro is scared shitless to debate against them. 

This was the best one bloke is a legend -Shapiro was on before Grade A asswipe

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

15 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

This argument of pigheadedness is a common trait from the right in this conflict. Either they are protecting their interests are they are just that ignorant.

 

Hijab: I need you to be fair.

Piers: I will be fair.

Hijab: I condemn Hamas. Do you condemn Israel's response?

Piers: I support Israel's efforts to defend themselves.

Hijab: Beautiful. Do you defend Palestine's efforts to defend themselves against 70 years of oppression?

Piers: I don't know what the proportionate response is.

 

The West bank and the Gaza strip were in Arab hands prior to the six day war of 1967 and that war was to destroy Israel and toss it into the sea !
So the argument goes "crikey, that did n't work but give us back those lands".
Certain negotiations were held nevertheless but the Palestinian side rejected (and incidentally they were not known as Palestinians back in 1967 but as "Arabs of Palestine", by Israel's friends and foes alike).
It is evident that the Arabs and at least Hamas are trying to do the same thing now, wipe out Israel.
They look forward to some major force to come forward and help them do this, the same way they used to think of Egypt as a major force.

Without Israel what is today's Israeli land going to be ?
A Kim like muslim state no doubt.

Don't tell me Putin is not behind all this through his proxies Iran.

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by cosmicway

[Vesper 30,233]

16 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Ben Shapiro

a RW worm, lolol

I detest that little twat

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

So weird that the best security in the World didnt detect the Hamas raid that Israel said ''had been planning for months''. 

Quite obvious Netanyahu let it happen to justify land grab like they have done every time. However this will be Netanyahus down fall...

''In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

That catastrophic misjudgment alone should seal Netanyahu’s fate. Taken together with the fact that it was on his watch that Israel suffered the deadliest attack in its history, the greatest single loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust, the verdict on Netanyahu should be clear. Most Israelis admit as much, accepting that once the current war is over, he will have to go.'' Reuters

He is a mass murderer and war criminal sacrificing the lefty rainbow hippies at the rave and the foreign cheap labour kibbutzers- he will be found out

[cosmicway 1,333]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

So weird that the best security in the World didnt detect the Hamas raid that Israel said ''had been planning for months''. 

Quite obvious Netanyahu let it happen to justify land grab like they have done every time. However this will be Netanyahus down fall...

''In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

That catastrophic misjudgment alone should seal Netanyahu’s fate. Taken together with the fact that it was on his watch that Israel suffered the deadliest attack in its history, the greatest single loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust, the verdict on Netanyahu should be clear. Most Israelis admit as much, accepting that once the current war is over, he will have to go.'' Reuters

He is a mass murderer and war criminal sacrificing the lefty rainbow hippies at the rave and the foreign cheap labour kibbutzers- he will be found out

This is for kids.
I can accept that 9-11 was CIA's fault and they should have resigned and maybe Bush too (n.b. I have an extraordinary story about this).
But not in this is case.
If the state of military readiness is below amber alert anyone can create a small skirmish near a border town (and it was a small skirmish albeit very deadly).
It depends on the border geography also. If there is no natural border such as a river something can always get through.