Politics & Stuff

[cosmicway 1,333]

The east coast blue wall has shrunk to a little hut in the countryside.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

16 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

How can you be latino and vote for Trump after all that shit he said about Mexico, Haiti, Puerto Rico and immigrants?

Latinos view themselves, for the most part, as temporarily embarrassed white men. 

 

Trump, when he calls them rapists, is viewed as a man telling it how it is because they agree with him about people who look like them. Its also why so many black men were quick to agree with Obama calling them sexist for not being excited about Kamala.....despite the fact they overwhelmingly voted for hillary(and kamala tonight). He probably cost her votes there too. You can only play on a marginalized group's self hate for so long. Trump just got lucky tonight.

[cosmicway 1,333]

PA result worse than Georgia which was never thought going blue.

Edited November 6, 2024 by cosmicway

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

4 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

PA result worse than Georgia which was never thought going blue.

Before that girl got killed at UGA by the undocumented Venezuelan Georgia could have been in play.

[Vesper 30,099]

early post-mortem

what killed Harris (and she did run a near perfect campaign given what she had to work with, so cannot blame that)

 

the gender gap, men out-roared women (massive change for the young males of all races especially)

 

she got clobbered (for a Dem) with

latinos (especially latino men)

black men

asians (especially asian men)

 

the economy perceptions killed her everywhere

 

immigration (Trump OWNED her there)

 

Biden's 'garbage gaff' which was misquoted but stuck, and helped fuel a late Red surge

 

the tens of thousands of anti trans attack adverts (and thsoe also smashed a lot of Dem Seante and House candidates)

 

plain old racism and misogyny still has a huge grip and really hurt her with all minority groups and men, and even with many moderate women

Edited November 6, 2024 by Vesper

[Vesper 30,099]

Dem US House win in a major swing district that they desperately needed

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

early post-mortem

what killed Harris (and she did run a near perfect campaign given what she had to work with, so cannot blame that)

 

the gender gap, men out-roared women (massive change for the young males of all races especially)

 

she got clobbered (for a Dem) with

latinos (especially latino men)

black men

asians (especially asian men)

 

the economy perceptions killed her everywhere

 

immigration (Trump OWNED her there)

 

Biden's 'garbage gaff' which was misquoted but stuck, and helped fuel a late Red surge

 

the tens of thousands of anti trans attack adverts (and thsoe also smashed a lot of Dem Seante and House candidates)

 

plain old racism and misogyny still has a huge grip and really hurt her with all minority groups and men, and even with many moderate women

I think she needed a true primary. A time where we could have really got to know her and saw her tested against competition. Folks just didnt really know the true her. I'd like to see her run it back again in 4 years. I think going through a primary after growing, becoming more well-known, could do her a world of good. Nixon needed 1960 to have his 1968. She can come back from this.

[cosmicway 1,333]

10 minutes ago, Vesper said:

early post-mortem

what killed Harris (and she did run a near perfect campaign given what she had to work with, so cannot blame that)

 

the gender gap, men out-roared women (massive change for the young males of all races especially)

 

she got clobbered (for a Dem) with

latinos (especially latino men)

black men

asians (especially asian men)

 

the economy perceptions killed her everywhere

 

Biden's 'garbage gaff' which was misquoted but stuck, and help fuel a late Red surge

 

the tens of thousands of anti trans attack adverts (and thsoe also smashed a lot of Dem Seante and House candidates)

 

plain old racism and misogyny still has a huge grip and really hurt her with all minority groups and men, and even with many moderate women

I don't live in America, never lived, so I can't be accurate about these things.
Clearly a dem party weak on racism in order to catch up with Trump is not a dem party I would like to see.
But of course that counted, once Trump encouraged the racists to do their coming out, emerge from the closets.
The dems could have won some of the lost ground by returning to Christian values - they allowd convicted felon-sex offender Trump to pretend he is a Christian !

Edited November 6, 2024 by cosmicway

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

North Carolina gone.

[Vesper 30,099]

6 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

I think she needed a true primary. A time where we could have really got to know her and saw her tested against competition. Folks just didnt really know the true her. I'd like to see her run it back again in 4 years. I think going through a primary after growing, becoming more well-known, could do her a world of good. Nixon needed 1960 to have his 1968. She can come back from this.

I think there is almost no chance she runs for POTUS in 2028

we do not even know what 2028 America will look like

IF the Republicans keep the House they have complete control of the US Federal government for every Branch

Trump is going to run riot (he already has cliamed for years he is owed a 3rd term due to the ludicrous claims that 2020 was stolen)

Project 2025 is not a joke

its a blueprint for a fascist takeover/remake of the US

there will be NO adults in the room to check an unhinged Trump, unlike he had (much to his dismay) in his first term

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Just now, Vesper said:

I think there is almost no chance she runs for POTUS in 2028

we do not even know what 2028 America will look like

IF the Republicans keep the House they have complete control of the US Federal government for every Branch

Trump is going to run riot (he already has cliamed for years he is owed a 3rd term due to the ludicrous claims that 2020 was stolen)

Project 2025 is not a joke

its a blueprint for a fascist takeover/remake of the US

there will be NO adults in the room to check an unhinged Trump, unlike he had (much to his dismay) in his first term

Yea....they wont give her another shot, but I think she'd do better if given the opportunity.

 

I dont see him going through with most of the shit he says though. Maybe wishful thinking on my part.

[cosmicway 1,333]

The three "Harris win states", PA-MI-WI were landslided by Trump.
So much for the polls.
Me and my old friend and dentist Peter were the only ones who knew about these things back in the eighties.
There were no opinion polls in Greece prior to 1985, whereas in the states they do them from the 19th century and we were the only ones in the country who knew about these things.
We could be famous personalities on tv now.
Stupidly as everyone started showing interest we considered it as a "low class preoccupation" and stopped working on the project.

[NikkiCFC 8,287]

7 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

 

I dont see him going through with most of the shit he says though. Maybe wishful thinking on my part.

It will be really interesting 4 years. That's for sure. And about military threats... they may reject his orders. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

18 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I think there is almost no chance she runs for POTUS in 2028

we do not even know what 2028 America will look like

IF the Republicans keep the House they have complete control of the US Federal government for every Branch

Trump is going to run riot (he already has cliamed for years he is owed a 3rd term due to the ludicrous claims that 2020 was stolen)

Project 2025 is not a joke

its a blueprint for a fascist takeover/remake of the US

there will be NO adults in the room to check an unhinged Trump, unlike he had (much to his dismay) in his first term

That depends.
Hillary did not try again but she was getting of age and she was too much venomed.
Mondale - Dukakis - Mitt Romney also did not try again.
There are only two comebacks in recent history, tricky Dicky and Trump, yet I don't see why not.

(*) Reagan was also a comeback as he was a failed nominee in 1976

Edited November 6, 2024 by cosmicway

[Vesper 30,099]

shocking fall-offs in NY

even in NYC area

massive moves towards Trump by latinos

many latinos in Queens

massive pro Trump shift

unheard of in the past 40 years or so

 

this area is 75% latino