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3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

This Freud thread is an archetypal example of why I fear the advanced world is well down the path to a negative epistemic breakdown (or, if you will, a reversion to the times where objective truth is obliterated and only people's feelings count as the arbiters of what is false orn true).

The age of 'alternative facts' looms larger and larger.

Thats true. Mates a builder working with an Albanian who is a Flat Earther. There is a whole new Flat earth believing group, utter nonsense.

My mate took a picture of Earth from the Space station into work - his colleague said its all fake. 🤪

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21 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Thats true. Mates a builder working with an Albanian who is a Flat Earther. There is a whole new Flat earth believing group, utter nonsense.

My mate took a picture of Earth from the Space station into work - his colleague said its all fake. 🤪

Wrong argument because it can be proven mathematically that the earth is flat.
It involves some rather complex algerbra and although not true, mathematically it stands.
As for the space station image it is influenced by light refraction to give the impression of a sphere can be argued.
So the flat earther maintains his views.

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Just now, cosmicway said:

Wrong argument because it can be proven mathematically that the earth is flat.
It involves some rather complex algerbra and although not true mathematically it stands.
As for the space station image it is influenced by light refraction to give the impression of a sphere can be argued.
So the flat earther maintains his views.

Yes and Freuds Oedipus theory was right wasnt it ? Every bloke wants to fuck his mother. 

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2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yes and Freuds Oedipus theory was right wasnt it ? Every bloke wants to fuck his mother. 

He did n't say that.
Also Oedipus the man did n't know he was doing that. He did n't know Jocasta was his mother.

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6 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Wrong argument because it can be proven mathematically that the earth is flat.
It involves some rather complex algerbra and although not true mathematically it stands.
As for the space station image it is influenced by light refraction to give the impression of a sphere can be argued.
So the flat earther maintains his views.

Why doesnt it surprise us you believe that.....🤣

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To understand the U.S. economic success is to love Harris’s plan

Kamala Harris’s economic proposals would build on the remarkable U.S. comeback since the pandemic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/27/kamala-harris-economic-proposals/

Despite the compulsion of Republican MAGA voices to run down the country’s economic strength, the U.S. recovery over the past few years has been nothing short of miraculous.

“Policymakers in the United States and other major economies have quelled the worst inflation in four decades without tumbling into recession,” The Post reported on Oct. 22, citing the International Monetary Fund.

The IMF “also raised its forecast for U.S. economic growth over the next two years, confirming that the world’s largest economy has enjoyed the strongest recovery from the pandemic of any advanced nation.”

The United States achieved that enviable position because an independent Federal Reserve held the line on inflation; President Joe Biden pushed through major legislation that made huge investments in infrastructure and new technology (and induced the private sector to do the same); and other policies freed up consumer spending (by, among other things, saving consumers $1 billion in drug costs and providing a substantial stimulus).

Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen this week cautioned about blowing up the progress already made. “From day one, we rejected isolationism that made America and the world worse off and pursued global economic leadership that supports economies around the world and brings significant benefits to the American people and the U.S. economy,” she said.

Yellen credited the symbiotic relationship between the federal government and private sector, noting that on green energy, “public investments have been met by more than five times as much in private investment.”Following

To review: Don’t go protectionist; rather than giving giant tax cuts for the rich and corporations, make massive, job-producing investments, leave the Federal Reserve alone and help juice consumer spending.

That successful formula explains why Vice President Kamala Harris’s economic plans, building on that successful approach, is vastly preferable to Donald Trump’s formula (protectionism, massive tax cuts for the rich, undoing the Inflation Reduction Act, etc.). Plenty of economists agree.

Take, for example, a survey of 39 economists by the Wall Street Journal, Steven Rattner recently wrote online.

Harris’s “proposal for a $6,000 tax credit for newborns won 74% approval, her plan to increase the corporate tax rate was favored by 59%, and the concept of capping insulin prices at $35 for all garnered the support of 64%. (Capping out-of-pocket spending on all prescription drugs was essentially a tie.)”

He added, “In contrast, only 8% favored making Trump’s tax cuts permanent, not a single economist favored his tariff plan, and just 5% supported eliminating taxes on Social Security benefits.” By one estimate, Trump’s tariff plan alone would cut gross domestic product by nearly 9 percent.

Likewise, a letter from 23 Nobel Prize-winning economists (separate from the 82 Nobelists who endorsed her on Thursday) explained: “His policies, including high tariffs even on goods from our friends and allies and regressive tax cuts for corporations and individuals, will lead to higher prices, larger deficits, and greater inequality.

Among the most important determinants of economic success are the rule of law and economic and political certainty, and Trump threatens all of these.” Harris’s middle-class focused policies, they argued, “will do far more than Donald Trump’s to increase the economic strength and well-being of our nation and its people.”

If you understand what worked, you can understand why Harris’s proposed investments (e.g., in housing, in start-up businesses, in 21st-century technologies), plan to extend prescription drug savings and added help for consumers (e.g., child tax credit, another $6000 baby tax credit) is more likely to produce similarly successful results than a plan that does the opposite of what worked (ending Biden-Harris era investments and drug cost controls, giving tax breaks focused on top income earners, politicizing the Fed and protectionism).

The Biden-Harris administration tapped into the great American economic success story. The Economist, reviewing the U.S. success over decades, put it succinctly: “The American economy has left other rich countries in the dust.”

The Economist pointed out: “On a per-person basis, American economic output is now about 40% higher than in western Europe and Canada, and 60% higher than in Japan — roughly twice as large as the gaps between them in 1990.”

And then there’s this: “Average wages in America’s poorest state, Mississippi, are higher than the averages in Britain, Canada and Germany.”

In running down America and its economy, Trump and his MAGA minions overlook the assets that have helped the nation achieve economic dominance. (The Economist again: “the world’s deepest financial markets has made it easier for startups to raise equity,” “the plethora of exciting young companies,” the dollar’s function as the world’s reserve currency, “the world’s best universities, which remain so in part by attracting the world’s best students.”)

Frankly, if Americans better understood the U.S. economic success and the policies that helped deliver it, they might better appreciate why Harris’s plan is so highly praised by economists and Trump’s is so criticized.

If nothing else, Trump’s tariff plan — the same sort that helped usher in recessions in the 1890s and the 1930s — should be reason to reject his scheme.

Voters have a choice: Harris’s formula that helped bring about a historic recovery (building on America’s extraordinary economic success story) or one that is nearly guaranteed, as history shows, to risk economic disaster.

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1 minute ago, cosmicway said:

Yes because you don't know the story.
How can the "Oedipodian syndrome" refer to what you say when Oedipus was not aware ?

The whole concept of using a Greek fairy tale to compose psychoanalytic theory whilst off your nut on marching powder is utterly retarded. 

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Thats true. Mates a builder working with an Albanian who is a Flat Earther. There is a whole new Flat earth believing group, utter nonsense.

My mate took a picture of Earth from the Space station into work - his colleague said its all fake. 🤪

Great analogy. 🙄

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There are some folks though who will resist even irrefutable maths.
They believe they can win in the casino roulette.
I explain them.
They say they understand then shake their head and say "... yes but real life is not maths".
What real life ?
They come down from the mountain skint.
But they don't give up.
It's something very peculiar.

If you believe Panathinaikos can beat Chelsea it's not so bad - they have done it once against Arsenal, Olympiakos last year against Aston Villa and Villa was a very tired team but a win is a win.
Let that be - believe.
But this one ? How do you explain ?



 

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Kamala Harris Asks Americans: Are You Really Going to Elect a Guy Who Has Good Things to Say About Hitler?

You'd think this would be an easy answer, and yet...
 
 

With 13 days to go until the election, Kamala Harris laid out in the starkest terms possible the choice Americans face when they head to the ballot box in less than two weeks: They can vote to elect a man who thinks Adolph Hilter is someone to emulate, or they can vote for a woman who has never said a good thing about a genocidal maniac.

Speaking outside the Naval Observatory on Wednesday, Harris responded to a new story from The Atlantic detailing Donald Trump’s infatuation with dictators, the negative things he has allegedly had to say about members of the armed forces, and the positive remarks he has allegedly made about people like Hitler, all of which he of course denies.

“Yesterday, we learned that Donald Trump’s former chief of staff John Kelly, a retired four-star general, confirmed that while Donald Trump was president, he said he wanted generals like Adolf Hitler had,” Harris told reporters. “Donald Trump said that because he does not want a military that is loyal to the United States Constitution. He wants a military that is loyal to him. He wants a military who will be loyal to him personally, one that will obey his orders even when he tells them to break the law or abandon their oath to the Constitution of the United States. In just the past week, Donald Trump has repeatedly called his fellow Americans the ‘enemy from within’ and even said that he would use the United States military to go after American citizens.”

She continued: “And let’s be clear about who he considers to be the enemy from within. Anyone who refuses to bend a knee or dares to criticize him would qualify, in his mind, as the enemy within, like judges, like journalists, like nonpartisan election officials. It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump would invoke Adolf Hitler, the man who is responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews and hundreds of thousands of Americans. All of this is further evidence for the American people of who Donald Trump really is. This is a window into who Donald Trump really is from the people who know him best, from the people who worked with him side by side in the Oval Office and in the Situation Room.”

Harris added that Kelly has said Trump meets the definition of a fascist, and would rule like one if given the chance. The vice president ended her remarks by telling voters: “Donald Trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable. And in a second term, people like John Kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions. Those who once tried to stop him from pursuing his worst impulses would no longer be there and no longer be there to rein him in.

“So, the bottom line is this. We know what Donald Trump wants. He wants unchecked power. The question in 13 days will be: What do the American people want?”

 

Right now, alarmingly, the answer is not clear.

 

Republican lawmaker not going to hold Hitler comments against Trump because he expects that kind of thing from the ex-president

 

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