Politics & Stuff

[cosmicway 1,333]

3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

gish gallop rambling

smdh

I am sorry that your world-view cannot handle the fact that male on male penetrative anal sex was for common for many in ancient Greece and accepted as a natural occurance

 

Gish Gallop, Brandolini's Law and Eristic Techniques Explained

 

Maybe.
So it was in Africa, China and among the Cherokee Indians.
It's an ancient thing and the degrees of acceptance-tolerance vary.
But it was not the norm nor was it allowed in ancient Greece.

[Vesper 30,090]

44 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

nor was it allowed in ancient Greece.

Absolutely false statement. Ridiculous on its face.

I have no idea why you persist in pushing these falsehoods.

[Fernando 6,585]

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Iraq, Africa, Afghanistan, Palestine, Libya, Lebanon, now Iran, -endless list of millions dead =always the brown people 

 Tell me, do an occupied people under an apartheid system where water, electricity and food are denied,

(acknowledged by the whole international community btw) have the right to defend themselves ? 

And do you even bother to ask why? Why does it lead to that? 

Is it because terrorism is coming from those regions? 

Surely people want to live in peace but if you terrorist organization bombing you frequently you will do something eventually. 

What you mean by occupied people? How far you go back as to "occupied" because if we go by archeologist finding, that land belongs to Israel. So what date are you using to say "occupy"

An international community are bunch of hypocrites. They blast more Israel then they do the terrorist country like Iran that is producing all these cells. 

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

10 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Absolutely false statement. Ridiculous on its face.

I have no idea why you persist in pushing these falsehoods.

Look. One Greek twink blow me in Chania. If you think Stalin is not responsible for this you are wrong. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

5 hours ago, Fernando said:

And do you even bother to ask why? Why does it lead to that? 

Yes Phd in political science - its economic land grab mainly and stealing of resources.

 

5 hours ago, Fernando said:

Is it because terrorism is coming from those regions? 

Yes partly. The Israeli Stern Gang and Irgun were terrorists. Massacred thousands before the Palestinian resistance even rose up. They hung two British Sergeants and booby trapped the bodies. They blew up the King David Hotel killing dozens and tried to blame Palestinians. Then the UK said no more, and the US took over using Israel as a colonial outpost

 

5 hours ago, Fernando said:

An international community are bunch of hypocrites. They blast more Israel then they do the terrorist country like Iran

Brief history of Iran. Mossadeq was in charge, Irans 30th Prime Minister a beautiful democratic country. However he decided Irans oil should be for Iran. Fair enough ? The US organised a CIA Coup to overthrow the democratically elected government so they could have the oil. They installed the US friendly Shah. a right bastard with his torture police and death squads to crush any opposition. Then in 1979 there was the Religous Revolution because Iranians were fed up with the unelected Shahs regime. 

Later there was the Iran v Iraq war that lasted for 10 years. The US sold weapons to both sides, just the right amount so that the war was finely balanced, would go on for as long as possible, with maximum casualties.

Fast forward and Hezbollah and Hamas are a direct result of Israeli massacres and land grabs. They didnt exist until Israel invaded. 

Hamas have been useful to Netanyahu as they have split the Palestinians, he is on record as saying ''We must support Hamas'' 

Credit to Hezbollah though they only attack military targets.

Imagine if every hospital had been destroyed in Israel, every school blown up, 42 650 dead, 102 000 injured and 95% of all buildings destroyed, electricity cut off, water cut off and hardly any food allowed in.....

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

One Greek twink blow me in Chania

Was it Comic ?

[cosmicway 1,333]

The idea of ancient Greeks gays owes itself to a) German early nazis of the 19th century, b) Stalin and his friend Trofim Lysenko, c) the thieving British museum curators.

[Vesper 30,090]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

The idea of ancient Greeks gays owes itself to a) German early nazis of the 19th century, b) Stalin and his friend Trofim Lysenko, c) the thieving British museum curators.

100 per cent bullshit

you have turned into a complete troll

you do nothing much except spew utter bollocks

and pro tip

there were no Nazis in the 19th century, the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) was not founded until February 20, 1920, in Munich

[Fernando 6,585]

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yes Phd in political science - its economic land grab mainly and stealing of resources.

 

? who is grabbing what? Are those lands that they won after they went to war? And they even have giving some back because of International pressure when they shouldn't have done that since they won those wars. 

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Brief history of Iran. Mossadeq was in charge, Irans 30th Prime Minister a beautiful democratic country. However he decided Irans oil should be for Iran. Fair enough ? The US organised a CIA Coup to overthrow the democratically elected government so they could have the oil. They installed the US friendly Shah. a right bastard with his torture police and death squads to crush any opposition. Then in 1979 there was the Religous Revolution because Iranians were fed up with the unelected Shahs regime. 

Later there was the Iran v Iraq war that lasted for 10 years. The US sold weapons to both sides, just the right amount so that the war was finely balanced, would go on for as long as possible, with maximum casualties.

Fast forward and Hezbollah and Hamas are a direct result of Israeli massacres and land grabs. They didnt exist until Israel invaded. 

Hamas have been useful to Netanyahu as they have split the Palestinians, he is on record as saying ''We must support Hamas'' 

Credit to Hezbollah though they only attack military targets.

Imagine if every hospital had been destroyed in Israel, every school blown up, 42 650 dead, 102 000 injured and 95% of all buildings destroyed, electricity cut off, water cut off and hardly any food allowed in.....

So based on this for you it's okay to have terrorist cells that want to wipe out Israel and constantly sending rocket to them? 

And again Israel invaded? That is the narrative you want to bring, but I keep saying they where attack always. When they first became a nation, and the following wars the follow. They won the war and rightfully won those lands. 

But the last part I will not debate, yes Israel has done a lot of bad and can't defend that. The good thing is like in many western democracy when this over they will be held accountable. This is opposed to the Iran regime that do countless atrocities and no accountability. 

But yes it's much easier to hate Israel and the Jews because that is the narrative then go after Iran that destabilize the middle east with all the terrorist cells. Hypocrisy is what I call that. 

Hypocrisy at is best. Where do we see you and the rest of the protester protest about other regions where crazy stuff is happening. Anyone care to protest about what has been happening in Sudan? 

No, because it is no concern. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

who is grabbing what?

Israel

4 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Are those lands that they won after they went to war?

So if Yemen decided to invade Israel and set up a Yemeni homeland using an annual 3.5bn dollars of hi tech weapons given by US Taxpayers . that would be ok ''because they won the war'' ?

 

6 minutes ago, Fernando said:

They won the war and rightfully won those lands. 

That is crazy. So ''might is right''. You can kill and invade because you have the most hi tech weapons ? If the devil fucks and eats Christ it is ok because the Devil won the War ?

9 minutes ago, Fernando said:

when this over they will be held accountable.

By who ? The UN ? They have broken more UN Resolutions than every other country in the World all together. By the US, their proxy backers ? by Blinken - his grandfather a Zionist who helped occupy Palestine ?

11 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Where do we see you and the rest of the protester protest about other regions where crazy stuff is happening. Anyone care to protest about what has been happening in Sudan? 

I mentioned Sudan in an early post - no one including you said anything

15 minutes ago, Fernando said:

but I keep saying they where attack always

You talk of ''terror''.  Israel bombed a Sovereign country Syria, the Iranian Embassy and killed children in total violation of International law.

Hezbollah and Houthis have all said ''stop the Genocide in gaza and no rockets will come.''

For that reason, Israel said on NBC they deliberately killed Nasrallah because he wanted peace. Look it up.

Israel bombed Tehran and killed Ishmael Hanir - another one who sought peace.

Now they are killing who;e families and children in Beirut

Last Saturday 42 Countries asked Israel to stop murdering UN Peacemakers

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Its very odd how Evangelical Christians think Israel can do no wrong -especially when the Torah sees them as slaves/subhuman, spits on them in Jerusalem

 

[Fernando 6,585]

2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

So if Yemen decided to invade Israel and set up a Yemeni homeland using an annual 3.5bn dollars of hi tech weapons given by US Taxpayers . that would be ok ''because they won the war'' ?

 

This is different then Israel being attack. One went ahead because they wanted like Russia did with Crimea. And this one Israel was provoked first. So total contrary. 

 

3 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

That is crazy. So ''might is right''. You can kill and invade because you have the most hi tech weapons ? If the devil fucks and eats Christ it is ok because the Devil won the War ?

30 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Those countries came and attack Israel first, they lost. 

7 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

I mentioned Sudan in an early post - no one including you said anything

33 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I'm mentioning now and been following on the sides as people here don't care about it. It's irrelevant for them....

 

8 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

You talk of ''terror''.  Israel bombed a Sovereign country Syria, the Iranian Embassy and killed children in total violation of International law.

Hezbollah and Houthis have all said ''stop the Genocide in gaza and no rockets will come.''

For that reason, Israel said on NBC they deliberately killed Nasrallah because he wanted peace. Look it up.

Israel bombed Tehran and killed Ishmael Hanir - another one who sought peace.

Now they are killing who;e families and children in Beirut

Last Saturday 42 Countries asked Israel to stop murdering UN Peacemakers

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Its very odd how Evangelical Christians think Israel can do no wrong -especially when the Torah sees them as slaves/subhuman, spits on them in Jerusalem

First the casualties are always the bad part of a war. And no country that retaliate will do good, look at USA when we went to war. 

So that's clear, now the question is WHY? Why Israel did that? Whey they bombed Syria? Because they felt like or because they was provoked. 

I keep going back to this same, who provoked first what? Israel is leaving peacefully in their country and they get rockets send over from those places. So anyone in their right mind will attack. 

This is something that gets lost and no mention because again is much easier to blame Israel for everything. 

And not going to comment on the Torah, you guys taking things out of context. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,300]

6 minutes ago, Fernando said:

And this one Israel was provoked first.

International law says Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land. The longest illegal occupation in history.

Under International law occupied people have the right to defend themselves

10 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Why Israel did that? Whey they bombed Syria? Because they felt like or because they was provoked. 

I hope that question is rhetorical

11 minutes ago, Fernando said:

who provoked first what? Israel is leaving peacefully in their country

Illegal settlements in the West Bank - settlers burning olive groves, bulldozing houses, shooting children in the head, while the IDF protect them. Yes, very peacefully

They always play 'the victim' -its the UN, its the Houthis, its Hamas, Its Save the Children, Its World Foodbank, Its the Palestinians, its Al Jazeera, its Doctors without Borders, Its Christian Aid, its Medecin sans Frontieres, its human shields, .......as they commit genocide with the largest weapons cache per capita in the World

[Vesper 30,090]

I always find it rich when zio-defenders rant on about Hamas basically giving the hyper RW zionists in Israel the right to do ANYTHING they want to any and all Palestinians (including the West Bank, where Hamas is not even in power), when Hamas would have disappeared from any real power long ago if not for the hyper RW power-mad zionist Netanyahu 100 per cent complicit in allowing Hamas to be funded with billions of dollars as part of his scheme to divide and conquer in order to steal ALL the land.

The hyper RW zionist jews FAFO'd, and now, with the typical ultimate arrogance they always have had since they first were shit out onto the world stage in the late 1800s demand they be placed above ALL other nations on the planet and be allowed to commit ethnic cleansing and/or genocide with impunity.

And FUCK THE USA for backstopping it all.

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

International law says Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land. The longest illegal occupation in history.

Under International law occupied people have the right to defend themselves

I hope that question is rhetorical

Illegal settlements in the West Bank - settlers burning olive groves, bulldozing houses, shooting children in the head, while the IDF protect them. Yes, very peacefully

They always play 'the victim' -its the UN, its the Houthis, its Hamas, Its Save the Children, Its World Foodbank, Its the Palestinians, its Al Jazeera, its Doctors without Borders, Its Christian Aid, its Medecin sans Frontieres, its human shields, .......as they commit genocide with the largest weapons cache per capita in the World

So in the end it's okay for terrorist organization to do what they do and Israel not be able to defend themselves?

And like I said Israel got that land after a war that they where provoked. So I don't share the same point view as you with Illegal, and all that stuff. 

Edited October 22, 2024 by Fernando

[Vesper 30,090]

In N.C., Trump takes a chance pretending his FEMA lies are true

Trump could’ve simply expressed his support during a trip to North Carolina. He instead decided to take a chance by peddling easily discredited nonsense.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/nc-trump-takes-chance-pretending-fema-lies-are-true-rcna176544

Communities across the Southeast, most notably in North Carolina, have spent the last several weeks trying to recover from Hurricane Helene and its aftermath. It was against this backdrop that Donald Trump visited the Tar Heel State two weeks ago and pursued a radical idea: Maybe, the former president said, he could advance his own interests by brazenly lying about the governmental response to the deadly storm.

State and local officials, including plenty of Republicans, asked him to stop deceiving the public, but he ignored the appeals — even as evidence emerged that Trump’s lies were having an adverse impact on the response to the crisis.

It was, by some measures, a genuine election-season scandal: The GOP nominee for the nation’s highest office saw devastated communities and human suffering, which inspired Trump to repeatedly lie about the heartbreaking circumstances, hoping it would advance his quest for power.

Two weeks later, he did it again. NBC News reported that the former president returned to North Carolina, where he “again made the false claim that FEMA had no money to help victims in the hurricane-stricken area because it was spending funds on migrants.”

As he’s done for weeks, Trump appeared to conflate two completely separate funds to paint a misleading picture. FEMA has dedicated disaster relief money that cannot be used for other purposes, and it was separately tasked by Congress in 2022 to disseminate money from Customs and Border Protection to help communities that received influxes of migrants.

“They spent a lot of money on bringing illegal migrants. ... They don’t have any money for the people who live here,” Trump said, despite reality. “They’ve spent it on illegal migrants.”

He was, of course, lying — or more to the point, he was echoing previous lies, which he knows have been discredited, but which he continued to repeat in the hopes that it’ll benefit him personally.

Reminded that these and related conspiratorial lives have led to threats against FEMA workers in the area, Trump expressed relative indifference. “I think you have to let people know how they’re doing,” he told reporters. “If they’re doing a poor job, are we not supposed to say it?”

I’m not in a position to say whether Trump actually believes his lies, or whether he knows he’s peddling nonsense. But either way, the consequences of his dangerous lies are the same.

To be sure, I’m mindful of the broader circumstances: North Carolina is a highly competitive battleground state, and the latest polling suggests he’s effectively tied with Vice President Kamala Harris in the state. It’s hardly surprising that the Republican has concluded that he’ll say whatever he has to say, regardless of accuracy or propriety, to get ahead.

But there is a risk of a backlash. If you’re an on-the-fence North Carolinian, unsure which candidate to support, and one candidate comes to your state to lie about the response to a deadly natural disaster, would you be more or less likely to vote for that candidate?

Trump could’ve simply made an appearance and expressed his support. He instead decided to take a chance by peddling easily discredited nonsense.