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[cosmicway 1,333]

Anyway BBC are playing a dirty game against Greece scores of years now.
Last time it was the so called exclusive about "Macedonians" in Greece - FYROM propaganda.
Another was the ... imaginary safetyproblems of the Olympic games of 2004 (more lies).
Yet another was in 1963 when the communists attacked the queen of Greece Frederica outside Claridge's hotel (they justified the attack).
And more.
The reasons for that were the Cyprus situation and the thieving of the Elgin marbles.

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

What's bad in this?

Marxism is a social, economic and political philosophy that analyses the impact of the ruling class on the laborers, leading to uneven distribution of wealth and privileges in the society. It stimulates the workers to protest the injustice.

So the workers enjoyed justice in the USSR / iron curtain countries.
Why the need for spray guns at the border then ?
Why people were hiding in refrigerator vans and had to had their limbs amputated ?

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

29 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

USSR / iron curtain countries.

That was state capitalism, nothing more, nothing to do with Marxism/Communism

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

That was state capitalism, nothing more, nothing to do with Marxism/Communism

Marxism without state capitalism is null and void.
Without dictatorship of the proletariat is also null and void, because if they are voted once they will never be voted again after their farcical - disgraceful performance.
The reason non Soviet communism or euro-communism exists is some rich cats were sick and tired of being social outcasts and dreamed up this concoction.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

20 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Marxism without state capitalism is null and void.
Without dictatorship of the proletariat is also null and void, because if they are voted once they will never be voted again after their farcical - disgraceful performance.
The reason non Soviet communism or euro-communism exists is some rich cats were sick and tired of being social outcasts and dreamed up this concoction.

Thanks but prefer to believe my Phd Politics lecturers. Marxism and Communism does not need State capitalism if it is a global phenomena. That is the only way it would work.  It never will be, so its irrelevant.

[Vesper 30,226]

Hundreds Of Stanford University Graduates Walk Out Of Graduation Ceremony To Protest Israel

 

[Vesper 30,226]

LIHOP or MIHOP? The murderous, religio-fascist, racist, ultra RW Zionists get exposed further.

 

IDF knew of Hamas's plan to kidnap 250 before October 7 attack

The IDF had precise information about Hamas's intentions, but due to prevailing conceptions in the security establishment and possible negligence by officials, the warning signs were not acted on.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806634

A newly surfaced document has revealed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and intelligence systems had detailed knowledge of Hamas's plan to raid Israel and kidnap 250 people weeks before the October 7 massacre.

The document, which was compiled in the Gaza Division, outlined Hamas's intentions and was known to top intelligence officials, according to a report by Kan News.

The document, titled "Detailed End-to-End Raid Training," was distributed on September 19, 2023, and described in detail the series of exercises conducted by Hamas's elite units.

These exercises included raiding military posts and kibbutzim (collective communities in Israel), kidnapping soldiers and civilians, and maintaining the hostages once they were in the Gaza Strip.

The report by Kan News stated, "Security sources told Kan News that the document was known to the intelligence leadership, at the very least in the Gaza Division."

The document's revelations came in the wake of widespread criticism over the failure to anticipate and prevent the October 7 attack, which resulted in significant casualties and hostages.

Warning signs were not acted upon

The IDF had precise information about Hamas's intentions, but due to prevailing conceptions within the security establishment and possible negligence by senior officials, the warning signs were not acted upon.

The report further detailed that Israeli intelligence officials monitored the exercise and documented the steps Hamas planned to take after breaching Israeli territory and taking over military posts. The expected number of hostages, according to the document, was between 200 and 250 people.

"Israeli intelligence officials who monitored the exercise detailed in the document the next steps after breaching into Israel and taking over the posts, determining that the instruction is to hand over the captured soldiers to the company commanders. The expected number of hostages, it states, is between 200 and 250 people," Kan News reported.

This information, combined with a new and sophisticated security barrier completed two years before the attack, was believed to have made such an assault improbable. However, the barrier failed during the Hamas attack, highlighting a significant intelligence and security oversight.

The general staff investigation team is expected to present initial findings from this failure to the Chief of Staff in the coming weeks, as the country seeks to understand how such a lapse in security could occur despite having detailed advance knowledge of the enemy's plans.

The Israel-Hamas war began on October 7 when Hamas launched an attack, with thousands of terrorists infiltrating from the Gaza border and taking more than 240 hostages into the Gaza Strip. 

During the massacre, more than 1,200 Israelis and foreign nationals were murdered, including over 350 in the Re'im music festival and hundreds of Israeli civilians across the Gaza border communities.

120 hostages still remain in Gaza captivity.

Edited June 18, 2024 by Vesper

[Vesper 30,226]

ISRAEL WANTS PIECE  

A piece of Palestine
A piece of Lebanon
A piece of Syria
A piece of Egypt
A piece of Jordan
A piece of Iraq
A piece of Saudi Arabia

[cosmicway 1,333]

12 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Thanks but prefer to believe my Phd Politics lecturers. Marxism and Communism does not need State capitalism if it is a global phenomena. That is the only way it would work.  It never will be, so its irrelevant.

The scene in one of the neighbourhoods of Brooklyn.
Bob is poor.
His neighbour, Lady Sinclair de Bellsize, goes around in a Rolls Royce Silver Shadow.
Bob reads Marx and says me too should have a Rolls Royce.
Bob whose profession is to scratch his big *ss all day eyeballs the Rolls belonging to Lady Sinclair.
But his conscience says to him "Bob if you take this Rolls Royce, then Lady Sinclair becomes poor, you become an imperialist, so the system won't change".
Bob reports to the party instructor what his conscience said about the Rolls Royce affair and the instructor replies "nonsense Bob, that crazy woman has the Rolls to avoid the odd-even state rules of circulation and
when socialism wins you are going to share it".
Bob is convinced.
The revolution takes place, socialism wins, the Rolls Royce is kidnapped.
But for Bob not even a bike (*).
What happened ?
What went wrong ?
Goes to the instructor but this time it's five of the best for Bob.
Also the blame is shifted to some new found "external enemies".
But could it have been a mirage from the beginning ?


(*) not even a "papaki with Mitsotakis" says the original text.

 

Edited June 18, 2024 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

What happened ?
What went wrong ?

Hijacked. like every Revolution, every Social movement. 

From Raves to Football every working class movement and initiative is hijacked, repackaged, sanitised and sold back to us. 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

20 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Hijacked. like every Revolution, every Social movement. 

From Raves to Football every working class movement and initiative is hijacked, repackaged, sanitised and sold back to us. 

 

That's what it looks like though, hisjacked or unhijacked:

[cosmicway 1,333]

The neanderthal people says commie theory were hunters and they were sharing the food - no capitalism.
I wonder.
If I go there with my time machine and they have little dinosaurs a la manestra will they invite me for dinner ?
If not ?
The most I can say from my present position is with the absence of deep cold refrigerators the meat prices were likely kept low.
But those guys also had to have butchers, cooks, waitresses so were all those people working for free, for just a little piece of dinosaur each one of them ?
And if nobody worked then what ?

[Fernando 6,585]

11 hours ago, Vesper said:

ISRAEL WANTS PIECE  

A piece of Palestine
A piece of Lebanon
A piece of Syria
A piece of Egypt
A piece of Jordan
A piece of Iraq
A piece of Saudi Arabia

Could be or just conspiracy theory. 

The reality is right now with war in Gaza. 

My question is what will happen in Gaza? 

Hamas continues in power? 

If so what's the point? In a few years we will be back with the same. A terrorist attack, Israeli going to war and annihilate....well not totally because Hamas is still alive and fighting with people still capture.... Insane to think that after all the destruction. 

But my point is the same how are you going to fix this after the war finish? 

Two state solution? Well would that not be the same in the future? Hamas running the place, terrorists attack, rinse and repeat. 

What's you way to solve this never ending cycle of violence? 

Edited June 18, 2024 by Fernando

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Could be or just conspiracy theory. 

The reality is right now with war in Gaza. 

My question is what will happen in Gaza? 

Hamas continues in power? 

If so what's the point? In a few years we will be back with the same. A terrorist attack, Israeli going to war and annihilate....well not totally because Hamas is still alive and fighting with people still capture.... Insane to think that after all the destruction. 

But my point is the same how are you going to fix this after the war finish? 

Two state solution? Well would that not be the same in the future? Hamas running the place, terrorists attack, rinse and repeat. 

What's you way to solve this never ending cycle of violence? 

Arabs would have had their two state solution ages ago if they went about it peacefully.
Even if the Israelis were stubborn the Americans would have convinced them to accept a two state solution.
But they want to attack Israel with rockets, hijack planes, commit other acts of terrorism.
Disbanding Hamas won't work because there is also Hezbollah, or something else they cook.
Difficult to see the end of the road.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

The neanderthal people say commie theory were hunters

I dont think they are around or ever talked about communism as the Jewish economist Marx lived 1818 -1883. I have been to his house in Trier. Neanderthal people lived 300 000 to 800 000 years ago, a human sub species. Maybe still some though where you are ? is that how you heard what they said ?

 

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

they have little dinosaurs a la manestra

Dinosaurs and humans never coexisted at the same juncture

 

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

The most I can say from my present position is with the absence of deep cold refrigerators the meat prices are likely kept low.
But those guys also had to have butchers, cooks, waitresses so were all those people working for free, for just a little piece of dinosaur each one of them ?
And if nobody worked then what ?

Sorry, I dont know what any of that means

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

13 hours ago, Vesper said:

LIHOP or MIHOP? The murderous, religio-fascist, racist, ultra RW Zionists get exposed further.

 

IDF knew of Hamas's plan to kidnap 250 before October 7 attack

The IDF had precise information about Hamas's intentions, but due to prevailing conceptions in the security establishment and possible negligence by officials, the warning signs were not acted on.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806634

A newly surfaced document has revealed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and intelligence systems had detailed knowledge of Hamas's plan to raid Israel and kidnap 250 people weeks before the October 7 massacre.

The document, which was compiled in the Gaza Division, outlined Hamas's intentions and was known to top intelligence officials, according to a report by Kan News.

The document, titled "Detailed End-to-End Raid Training," was distributed on September 19, 2023, and described in detail the series of exercises conducted by Hamas's elite units.

These exercises included raiding military posts and kibbutzim (collective communities in Israel), kidnapping soldiers and civilians, and maintaining the hostages once they were in the Gaza Strip.

The report by Kan News stated, "Security sources told Kan News that the document was known to the intelligence leadership, at the very least in the Gaza Division."

The document's revelations came in the wake of widespread criticism over the failure to anticipate and prevent the October 7 attack, which resulted in significant casualties and hostages.

Warning signs were not acted upon

The IDF had precise information about Hamas's intentions, but due to prevailing conceptions within the security establishment and possible negligence by senior officials, the warning signs were not acted upon.

The report further detailed that Israeli intelligence officials monitored the exercise and documented the steps Hamas planned to take after breaching Israeli territory and taking over military posts. The expected number of hostages, according to the document, was between 200 and 250 people.

"Israeli intelligence officials who monitored the exercise detailed in the document the next steps after breaching into Israel and taking over the posts, determining that the instruction is to hand over the captured soldiers to the company commanders. The expected number of hostages, it states, is between 200 and 250 people," Kan News reported.

This information, combined with a new and sophisticated security barrier completed two years before the attack, was believed to have made such an assault improbable. However, the barrier failed during the Hamas attack, highlighting a significant intelligence and security oversight.

The general staff investigation team is expected to present initial findings from this failure to the Chief of Staff in the coming weeks, as the country seeks to understand how such a lapse in security could occur despite having detailed advance knowledge of the enemy's plans.

The Israel-Hamas war began on October 7 when Hamas launched an attack, with thousands of terrorists infiltrating from the Gaza border and taking more than 240 hostages into the Gaza Strip. 

During the massacre, more than 1,200 Israelis and foreign nationals were murdered, including over 350 in the Re'im music festival and hundreds of Israeli civilians across the Gaza border communities.

120 hostages still remain in Gaza captivity.

Ha'aretz also had an article saying the same. They also mentioned US Apache helicopters killing israelis using the Hannibal Directive

[cosmicway 1,333]

5 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

I dont think they are around or ever talked about communism as the Jewish economist Marx lived 1818 -1883. I have been to his house in Trier. Neanderthal people lived 300 000 to 800 000 years ago, a human sub species. Maybe still some though where you are ? is that how you heard what they said ?

 

Dinosaurs and humans never coexisted at the same juncture

 

Sorry, I dont know what any of that means

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Now hating Hitler is 'anti semitic' 😉

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

Are we in some fucked up parallel universe?

[robsblubot 3,595]

26 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Are we in some fucked up parallel universe?

Pretty much. This thread is the place the right and the left meet to have babies: called conspiracy theories. 😄