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42 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

This argument of pigheadedness is a common trait from the right in this conflict. Either they are protecting their interests are they are just that ignorant.

 

Hijab: I need you to be fair.

Piers: I will be fair.

Hijab: I condemn Hamas. Do you condemn Israel's response?

Piers: I support Israel's efforts to defend themselves.

Hijab: Beautiful. Do you defend Palestine's efforts to defend themselves against 70 years of oppression?

Piers: I don't know what the proportionate response is.

 

Morgan is a prick but at least hes had Palestinian speakers on every night

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10 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Morgan is a prick but at least hes had Palestinian speakers on every night

I applaud his openness to hosting such debates whereas Ben Shapiro is scared shitless to debate against them. 

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12 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I applaud his openness to hosting such debates whereas Ben Shapiro is scared shitless to debate against them. 

This was the best one bloke is a legend -Shapiro was on before Grade A asswipe

 

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15 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

This argument of pigheadedness is a common trait from the right in this conflict. Either they are protecting their interests are they are just that ignorant.

 

Hijab: I need you to be fair.

Piers: I will be fair.

Hijab: I condemn Hamas. Do you condemn Israel's response?

Piers: I support Israel's efforts to defend themselves.

Hijab: Beautiful. Do you defend Palestine's efforts to defend themselves against 70 years of oppression?

Piers: I don't know what the proportionate response is.

 

The West bank and the Gaza strip were in Arab hands prior to the six day war of 1967 and that war was to destroy Israel and toss it into the sea !
So the argument goes "crikey, that did n't work but give us back those lands".
Certain negotiations were held nevertheless but the Palestinian side rejected (and incidentally they were not known as Palestinians back in 1967 but as "Arabs of Palestine", by Israel's friends and foes alike).
It is evident that the Arabs and at least Hamas are trying to do the same thing now, wipe out Israel.
They look forward to some major force to come forward and help them do this, the same way they used to think of Egypt as a major force.

Without Israel what is today's Israeli land going to be ?
A Kim like muslim state no doubt.

Don't tell me Putin is not behind all this through his proxies Iran.

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by cosmicway

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16 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Ben Shapiro

a RW worm, lolol

I detest that little twat

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

So weird that the best security in the World didnt detect the Hamas raid that Israel said ''had been planning for months''. 

Quite obvious Netanyahu let it happen to justify land grab like they have done every time. However this will be Netanyahus down fall...

''In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

That catastrophic misjudgment alone should seal Netanyahu’s fate. Taken together with the fact that it was on his watch that Israel suffered the deadliest attack in its history, the greatest single loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust, the verdict on Netanyahu should be clear. Most Israelis admit as much, accepting that once the current war is over, he will have to go.'' Reuters

He is a mass murderer and war criminal sacrificing the lefty rainbow hippies at the rave and the foreign cheap labour kibbutzers- he will be found out

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

So weird that the best security in the World didnt detect the Hamas raid that Israel said ''had been planning for months''. 

Quite obvious Netanyahu let it happen to justify land grab like they have done every time. However this will be Netanyahus down fall...

''In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

That catastrophic misjudgment alone should seal Netanyahu’s fate. Taken together with the fact that it was on his watch that Israel suffered the deadliest attack in its history, the greatest single loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust, the verdict on Netanyahu should be clear. Most Israelis admit as much, accepting that once the current war is over, he will have to go.'' Reuters

He is a mass murderer and war criminal sacrificing the lefty rainbow hippies at the rave and the foreign cheap labour kibbutzers- he will be found out

This is for kids.
I can accept that 9-11 was CIA's fault and they should have resigned and maybe Bush too (n.b. I have an extraordinary story about this).
But not in this is case.
If the state of military readiness is below amber alert anyone can create a small skirmish near a border town (and it was a small skirmish albeit very deadly).
It depends on the border geography also. If there is no natural border such as a river something can always get through.

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22 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

This is for kids.
I can accept that 9-11 was CIA's fault and they should have resigned and maybe Bush too (n.b. I have an extraordinary story about this).
But not in this is case.
If the state of military readiness is below amber alert anyone can create a small skirmish near a border town (and it was a small skirmish albeit very deadly).
It depends on the border geography also. If there is no natural border such as a river something can always get through.

The most expensive security fence in the World, listening devices, cameras, and then 13 hours before israeli response hahaha yeah right. Every steal of Palestinain land has come the same way At the same time Netanyahu issued 10 000 kalshnikovs to settlers on the West Bank to murder Palestinians and drive them out of their houses- 46 so far

'In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

Its there in black and white. 

 

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Palestinians under attack as Israeli settler violence surges in the West Bank - BBC News

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

The most expensive security fence in the World, listening devices, cameras, and then 13 hours before israeli response hahaha yeah right. Every steal of Palestinain land has come the same way At the same time Netanyahu issued 10 000 kalshnikovs to settlers on the West Bank to murder Palestinians and drive them out of their houses- 46 so far

'In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

Its there in black and white. 

 

Not 13 hours, but a couple of hours. 13 hours was is before they started bombarding Gaza.
The truth is if there is no amber alert-red alert state anything can be breached and a local incident created. 
Even the East German wall, by suicide commandoes. They would be able to proceed one or two miles inland.

With 9-11 I believe the Americans were idiots because this thing happened:
On the 6th of September a group of American airport security officers visit Greece.
They found 23 security holes in the new Athens airport they said.
For the following two days it was party time for the opposition press.
The government (pasok) offered some lame excuses. According to them about half of those security holes were known and could be justified because the airport was brand new.
But that leaves 12 security holes.
Yet whatever the Greek government did afterwards those know it all American experts returned to America and this thing happened to them.
The Al Qaeddas did it with knives hidden in their hand held luggages.
After 9-11 we were talking about the events here and one comes and says he flied on the 10th from Athens to Salonica with a long knife in his handbag.
I don't remember what he said he wanted it for but nobody searched his handbag - only his suitcase was x-rayed.
So the American security were caught with their pants down on 9-11 (and as for the Greek security, well it did n't chance upon them).

What the Israelis might have observed and did n't was political movements in Gaza.
But maybe there were n't any to observe.

Edited October 21, 2023 by cosmicway

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1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

Not 13 hours, but a couple of hours. 13 hours was is before they started bombarding Gaza.
The truth is if there is no amber alert-red alert state anything can be breached and a local incident created. 
Even the East German wall, by suicide commandoes. They would be able to proceed one or two miles inland.

With 9-11 I believe the Americans were idiots because this thing happened:
On the 6th of September a group of American airport security officers visit Greece.
They found 23 security holes in the new Athens airport they said.
For the following two days it was party time for the opposition press.
The government (pasok) offered some lame excuses. According to them about half of those security holes were known and could be justified because the airport was brand new.
But that leaves 12 security holes.
Yet whatever the Greek government did afterwards those know it all American experts returned to America and this thing happened to them.
The Al Qaeddas did it with knives hidden in their hand held luggages.
After 9-11 we were talking about the events here and one comes and says he flied on the 10th from Athens to Salonica with a long knife in his handbag.
I don't remember what he said he wanted it for but nobody searched his handbag - only his suitcase was x-rayed.
So the American security were caught with their pants down on 9-11 (and as for the Greek security, well it did n't chance upon them).

What the Israelis might have observed and did n't was political movements in Gaza.
But maybe there were n't any to observe.

Some waited 13 hours some waited 20 hours. That is the facts.

How Israel Responded to the Deadly Hamas Attacks: A Timeline - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

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https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/israeli-columnist-calls-out-lgbtq-activists-who-back-palestine-i-welcome-you-to-go-to-gaza-hillel-fuld-west-bank-lgbt-gay-lesbian-rights My bias isn't only regarding whom I've met. I know we will not change anyone's mind here, esp regarding multiple different issues, like treatment of women, LGBT rights, freedom of speech. American journalists claim that news reporting which come from Israel tend to be more trustworthy than coming from places which completely lack freedom of speech.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e3

Interesting that only Al Jazeera reported as "an Israeli attack." (Arabic Fox News I suppose) NYT reported that Palestine claimed it was an Israeli attack. Personally, I'm interested in the facts, not claims.

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Now we see the hypocrisy by the Americans on full display !

 

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1 minute ago, Amad_diallo said:

Now we see the hypocrisy by the Americans on full display !

 

Agreed, the hypocrisy of the "so called" liberals is mind boggling to me.

I hope you were referring to the links, and points made in the article, not me, because I'd suggest sticking to discussing the points and ideas.

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4 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Agreed, the hypocrisy of the "so called" liberals is mind boggling to me.

I hope you were referring to the links, and points made in the article, not me, because I'd suggest sticking to discussing the points and ideas.

No I was not referring to you or the links, just stating overall because im watching the news al Jazeera as we speak.

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Cutting off food, electricity, water, dropping phosphorous bombs on the most densely populated area in the World is genocide.

Not my words, the words of imtelligent jews