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[Fernando 6,455]

5 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

It is, especially when its cut with Tranq. On its own Fentanyl is 50 times more addictive than heroin so that's bad enough, but the tranq (xyaladine) creates sores and wounds that just don't heal. Now xyalidine has been found cut with other drugs in 36 US States. 

What with that going on, more guns than people in the US. and 30% of Americans expecting civil war in the next 10  years -its looking pretty bad over there.

Things might get worse after Trump gets reelected. 

Rest assure that Biden is worse then Trump, but the problem with Trump is that he rally a lot of lunatics, the far right. 

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1 hour ago, Fernando said:

Rest assure that Biden is worse then Trump,

you lost all credibility forever with that insane statement

just breathtakingly crazy

[Fernando 6,455]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

you lost all credibility forever with that insane statement

just breathtakingly crazy

Of course, everything that Biden has done is a million times worse then Trump. 

Trump problem is his mouth. 

Biden has been nothing but a disaster with all his policies and what not. 

[Vesper 28,796]

55 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Of course, everything that Biden has done is a million times worse then Trump. 

Trump problem is his mouth. 

Biden has been nothing but a disaster with all his policies and what not. 

BULLSHIT

pure fucking right wing gaslighting 

Trump tried to do a fucking coup d'etat and prevent over two centuries of peaceful transfer of power in the US

he non-stop coddled up to the worst dictators on the planet, siding with them against the West/Asian democratic nations

he was in the process of destroying the global security apparatus and stability

he fucking stole, and then refused to give back hundreds of classified, secret, top secret, and above documents, including ultra sensitive parts of the nuclear defence systems

he is an utterly corrupt criminal, a multiple bankrupt con man and grifter, and a serial sexual abuser

Trump's fucking up Covid responses caused at least half a million to three quarters of a million excess American deaths and helped to spawn global batshit cray CT and scam-driven Covid death cults 

he exploded the US public debt (in good part due to trillions and trillions in balance sheet-destroying tax cuts for the richest of rich), added more than any other POTUS (he added 40% in just 4 years to a US debt that ALL other presidents from Washington to Obama combined had made)

he lied (fully documented) publically over 30,000 times as POTUS, he literally is trying to bring about the annihilation of truth

he unleashed torrents of racism, misogyny, homophobia, general hate etc, and made it possible for the worst elements of society to feel empowered to revert back and start down the path to previous times when people of colour like myself were brutally oppressed and killed, at times via public lynching that drew thousands to watch us be tortured to death

and oh so much more.............................

 

Biden (who is far from perfect but is a MASSIVE improvement over the monster) was tossed into an almost (and may well be fully, at the end of the day) impossible series of tasks to repair the damages and forces that Trump unleashed.

 

Trump is the single worst human (in terms of overall negative impact, much of which is still unfolding and may well end up manifesting systemic cleavages that rip the US apart as a union of the States) the US has ever produced.

It's almost impossible to believe he exists. It's as if one took everything that was bad about America, scraped it up off the floor, wrapped it all up in an old hot dog skin, and then taught it to make noises with its face.

 

 

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

It's as if one took everything that was bad about America, scraped it up off the floor, wrapped it all up in an old hot dog skin, and then taught it to make noises with its face.

 

😅✔️

[Fernando 6,455]

8 hours ago, Vesper said:

BULLSHIT

pure fucking right wing gaslighting 

Trump tried to do a fucking coup d'etat and prevent over two centuries of peaceful transfer of power in the US

he non-stop coddled up to the worst dictators on the planet, siding with them against the West/Asian democratic nations

he was in the process of destroying the global security apparatus and stability

he fucking stole, and then refused to give back hundreds of classified, secret, top secret, and above documents, including ultra sensitive parts of the nuclear defence systems

he is an utterly corrupt criminal, a multiple bankrupt con man and grifter, and a serial sexual abuser

Trump's fucking up Covid responses caused at least half a million to three quarters of a million excess American deaths and helped to spawn global batshit cray CT and scam-driven Covid death cults 

he exploded the US public debt (in good part due to trillions and trillions in balance sheet-destroying tax cuts for the richest of rich), added more than any other POTUS (he added 40% in just 4 years to a US debt that ALL other presidents from Washington to Obama combined had made)

he lied (fully documented) publically over 30,000 times as POTUS, he literally is trying to bring about the annihilation of truth

he unleashed torrents of racism, misogyny, homophobia, general hate etc, and made it possible for the worst elements of society to feel empowered to revert back and start down the path to previous times when people of colour like myself were brutally oppressed and killed, at times via public lynching that drew thousands to watch us be tortured to death

and oh so much more.............................

 

Biden (who is far from perfect but is a MASSIVE improvement over the monster) was tossed into an almost (and may well be fully, at the end of the day) impossible series of tasks to repair the damages and forces that Trump unleashed.

 

Trump is the single worst human (in terms of overall negative impact, much of which is still unfolding and may well end up manifesting systemic cleavages that rip the US apart as a union of the States) the US has ever produced.

It's almost impossible to believe he exists. It's as if one took everything that was bad about America, scraped it up off the floor, wrapped it all up in an old hot dog skin, and then taught it to make noises with its face.

 

 

Again come back to my point. The problem with Trump is his mouth. All the issue is his mouth. 

Because if he spoke like Obama many stuff would not be brought to light. 

Biden has made many bad policy error. 

 

[cosmicway 1,323]

Trump is the golden sponsor of the dems.
With De Santis and without Trump forming a third party the republicans may win in 2024.

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9 hours ago, Fernando said:

Again come back to my point. The problem with Trump is his mouth. All the issue is his mouth. 

Because if he spoke like Obama many stuff would not be brought to light. 

Biden has made many bad policy error. 

 

your points are RW agitprop

and it is FAR from just Trump's mouth

also

what bad policy errors has Biden made?

[cosmicway 1,323]

On 01/06/2023 at 22:07, Vesper said:

what bad policy errors has Biden made?

Well, Biden allowed the Ukrainian war to happen.
Pretty sure Don would have done the same but it was a policy error.
If Biden deployed NATO troops in the Ukraine as soon as the threat emerged Putin would n't have dared - not once in a miliion trillion.
UK's Liz Truss also participated in this foolishness.
Given that NATO is now at war, in all but name, it was just as bad as Munich.

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4 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Well, Biden allowed the Ukrainian war to happen.

there was no way he could have stopped Putin from invading further

NATO was not going to directly engage in kinetic conflict with Russia over Ukraine (obviously)

the only way they might is if Russia goes nuclear, and then we are all in deep shit in terms of the potential for the end of our continued existence on this mortal coil

[cosmicway 1,323]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

there was no way he could have stopped Putin from invading further

NATO was not going to directly engage in kinetic conflict with Russia over Ukraine (obviously)

the only way they might is if Russia goes nuclear, and then we are all in deep shit in terms of the potential for the end of our continued existence on this mortal coil

NATO was not going to engage Russia is my thesis because Putin would n't dare.
Then even if there was a direct engagement between NATO and Russia it would still be a long-long way from going nuclear - not different from what it is now.

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4 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

NATO was not going to engage Russia is my thesis because Putin would n't dare.
Then even if there was a direct engagement between NATO and Russia it would still be a long-long way from going nuclear - not different from what it is now.

not a Ruskie nuking of NATO, I mean tactical nukes used on Ukraine pre NATO direct military conflict with Russia

and that is all superfluous to the false (false IMHO) charge that Biden fucked up (which also assumes he can unilaterally order NATO around, which he cannot) by not forcing in NATO troops pre invasion

my main point is that the other poster is absolutely full of shit with his claim that Biden is worse that Trump

that is fucking insane, pure 100 per cent RW, QAnon-drenched madness

Trump is the worst human the US has ever produced, in terms of destructive impact on a grand systemic, sustained scale, and his damage inflicted is far from over

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

Trump is the worst human the US has ever produced, in terms of destructive impact on a grand systemic, sustained scale,

When i did my politics degree we had a visiting US professor who stated Henry Kissinger (ironically called the Peacemaker) is the biggest mass murderer in history for the saturation carpet bombing of Cambodia and Vietnam. But yeah, Trump is up there....

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29 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

When i did my politics degree we had a visiting US professor who stated Henry Kissinger (ironically called the Peacemaker) is the biggest mass murderer in history for the saturation carpet bombing of Cambodia and Vietnam. But yeah, Trump is up there....

Kissinger also was involved in (the big difference with Trump is that Kissinger never had the actual power to order shit done, but he DEFFO influenced the ones who did)

David Corn: Henry Kissinger at 100: Still a War Criminal.

Forget the birthday candles, let’s count the dead.

 

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/05/henry-kissinger-at-100-still-a-war-criminal/

Henry Kissinger is turning 100 this week, and his centennial is prompting assorted hosannas about perhaps the most influential American foreign policymaker of the 20th century. The Economist observed that “his ideas have been circling back into relevancy for the last quarter century.” The Times of London ran an appreciation: “Henry Kissinger at 100: What He Can Tell Us About the World.” Policy shops and think tanks have held conferences to mark this milestone. CBS News aired a mostly fawning interview veteran journalist Ted Koppel conducted with Kissinger that included merely a glancing reference to the ignoble and bloody episodes of his career. Kissinger is indeed a monumental figure who shaped much of the past 50 years. He brokered the US opening to China and pursued detente with the Soviet Union during his stints as President Richard Nixon’s national security adviser and secretary of state. Yet it is an insult to history that he is not equally known and regarded for his many acts of treachery—secret bombings, coup-plotting, supporting military juntas—that resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands. 

Kissinger’s diplomatic conniving led to or enabled slaughters around the globe. As he blows out all those candles, let’s call the roll.

Cambodia: In early 1969, shortly after Nixon moved into the White House and inherited the Vietnam War, he, Kissinger, and others cooked up a plan to secretly bomb Cambodia, in pursuit of enemy camps. With the perversely-named “Operation Breakfast” launched, White House chief of staff H.R. “Bob” Haldeman wrote in his diary, Kissinger and Nixon were “really excited.” The action, though, was of dubious legality; the United States was not at war with Cambodia and Congress had not authorized the carpet-bombing, which Nixon tried to keep a secret. The US military dropped 540,000 tons of bombs. They didn’t just hit enemy outposts. The estimates of Cambodian civilians killed range between 150,000 and 500,000.

Bangladesh: In 1970, a political party advocating autonomy for East Pakistan won legislative elections. The military dictator ruling Pakistan, Gen. Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan, arrested the leader of that party and ordered his army to crush the Bengalis. At the time, Yahya, a US ally, was helping Kissinger and Nixon establish ties with China, and they didn’t want to get in his way. The top US diplomat in East Pakistan sent in a cable detailing and decrying the atrocities committed by Yahya’s troops and reported they were committing “genocide.” Yet Nixon and Kissinger declined to criticize Yahya or take action to end the barbarous assault. (This became known as “the tilt” toward Pakistan.) Kissinger and Nixon turned a blind eye to—arguably, they tacitly approved—Pakistan’s genocidal slaughter of 300,000 Bengalis, most of them Hindus.

Chile: Nixon and Kissinger plotted to covertly thwart the democratic election of socialist president Salvador Allende in 1970. This included Kissinger supervising clandestine operations aimed at destabilizing Chile and triggering a military coup. This scheming yielded the assassination of Chile’s commander-in-chief of the Army. Eventually, a military junta led by Gen. Augusto Pinochet seized power, killed thousands of Chileans, and implemented a dictatorship, Following the coup, Kissinger backed Pinochet to the hilt. During a private conversation with the Chilean tyrant in 1976, he told Pinochet, “My evaluation is that you are a victim of all left-wing groups around the world and that your greatest sin was that you overthrew a government which was going communist.”

East Timor: In December 1975, President Suharto of Indonesia was contemplating an invasion of East Timor, which had recently been a Portuguese colony and was moving toward independence. On December 6, President Gerald Ford and Kissinger, then Ford’s secretary of state, en route from a visit to Beijing, stopped in Jakarta to meet with Suharto, who headed the nation’s military regime. Suharto signaled he intended to send troops into East Timor and integrate the territory into Indonesia. Ford and Kissinger did not object. Ford told Suharto, “We will understand and will not press you on the issue. We understand the problem and the intentions you have.” Kissinger added, “It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly.” He pointed out that Suharto would be wise to wait until Ford and Kissinger returned to the United States, where they “would be able to influence the reaction in America.” The invasion began the next day. Here was a “green light” from Kissinger (and Ford). Suharto’s brutal invasion of East Timor resulted in 200,000 deaths.

Argentina: In March 1976, a neofascist military junta overthrew President Isabel Perón and launched what would be called the Dirty War, torturing, disappearing, and killing political opponents it branded as terrorists. Once again, Kissinger provided a “green light,” this time to a campaign of terror and murder. He did so during a private meeting in June 1976 with the junta’s foreign minister, Cesar Augusto Guzzetti. At that sit-down, according to a memo obtained in 2004 by the National Security Archive, a nonprofit organization, Guzzetti told Kissinger, “our main problem in Argentina is terrorism.” Kissinger replied, “If there are things that have to be done, you should do them quickly.” In other words, go ahead with your savage crusade against the leftists. The Dirty War would claim the lives of an estimated 30,000 Argentine civilians.

Throughout his career in government and politics, Kissinger was an unprincipled schemer who engaged in multiple acts of skullduggery. During the 1968 presidential campaign, while he advised the Johnson administration’s team at the Paris peace talks, which were aimed at ending the Vietnam War, he underhandedly passed information on the talks to Nixon’s camp, which was plotting to sabotage the negotiations, out of fear that success at the talks would boost the prospects of Vice President Hubert Humphrey, Nixon’s opponent in the race. After the secret bombing in Cambodia was revealed by the New York Times, Kissinger, acting at Nixon’s request, urged FBI director J. Edgar Hoover to wiretap his own aides and journalists to discover who was leaking. This operation failed to uncover who had outed the covert bombing, but, as historian Garrett Graff noted in his recent book, Watergate: A New History, this effort seeded “the administration’s taste for spying on its enemies—real or imagined.” 

In 1976, Kissinger was briefed on Operation Condor, a secret program created by the intelligence services of the military dictatorships of South America to assassinate their political foes inside and outside their countries. He then blocked a State Department effort to warn these military juntas not to proceed with international assassinations. As the National Security Archive points out in a dossier it released this week on various Kissinger controversies, “Five days later, Condor’s boldest and most infamous terrorist attack took place in downtown Washington D.C. when a car-bomb, planted by Pinochet’s agents, killed former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier and his young colleague, Ronni Moffitt.”

It’s easy to cast Kissinger as a master geostrategist, an expert player in the game of nations. But do the math. Hundreds of thousands of dead in Bangladesh, Cambodia, and East Timor, perhaps a million in total. Tens of thousands dead in Argentina’s Dirty War. Thousands killed and tens of thousands tortured by the Chilean military dictatorship, and a democracy destroyed. His hands are drenched in blood. 

Kissinger is routinely lambasted by his critics as a “war criminal,” though has never been held accountable for his misdeeds. He has made millions as a consultant, author, and commentator in the decades since he left government. I once heard of a Manhattan cocktail reception where he scoffed at the “war criminal” label and referred to it almost as a badge of honor. (“Bill Clinton does not have the spine to be a war criminal,” he joshed.) Kissinger has expressed few, if any, regrets about the cruel and deadly results of his moves on the global chessboard. When Koppel gently nudged him about the secret bombing in Cambodia, Kissinger took enormous umbrage and shot back: “This program you’re doing because I’m going to be 100 years old. And you are picking a topic of something that happened 60 years ago? You have to know it was a necessary step.” As for those who still protest him for that and other acts, he huffed, “Now the younger generation feels if they can raise their emotions, they don’t have to think.”

As he enters his second century, there will be no apologies coming from Kissinger. But the rest of us will owe history—and the thousands dead because of his gamesmanship—an apology, if we do not consider the man in full. Whatever his accomplishments, his legacy includes an enormous pile of corpses. This is a birthday that warrants no celebration.

[cosmicway 1,323]

13 hours ago, Vesper said:

not a Ruskie nuking of NATO, I mean tactical nukes used on Ukraine pre NATO direct military conflict with Russia

and that is all superfluous to the false (false IMHO) charge that Biden fucked up (which also assumes he can unilaterally order NATO around, which he cannot) by not forcing in NATO troops pre invasion

 

Not a chance.
But with such NATO response if I was Putin I would be in Warsaw - Stockholm - Oslo - Bucharest now.
 

[cosmicway 1,323]

7 hours ago, Vesper said:

Kissinger also was involved in (the big difference with Trump is that Kissinger never had the actual power to order shit done, but he DEFFO influenced the ones who did)

David Corn: Henry Kissinger at 100: Still a War Criminal.

Forget the birthday candles, let’s count the dead.

 

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/05/henry-kissinger-at-100-still-a-war-criminal/

Henry Kissinger is turning 100 this week, and his centennial is prompting assorted hosannas about perhaps the most influential American foreign policymaker of the 20th century. The Economist observed that “his ideas have been circling back into relevancy for the last quarter century.” The Times of London ran an appreciation: “Henry Kissinger at 100: What He Can Tell Us About the World.” Policy shops and think tanks have held conferences to mark this milestone. CBS News aired a mostly fawning interview veteran journalist Ted Koppel conducted with Kissinger that included merely a glancing reference to the ignoble and bloody episodes of his career. Kissinger is indeed a monumental figure who shaped much of the past 50 years. He brokered the US opening to China and pursued detente with the Soviet Union during his stints as President Richard Nixon’s national security adviser and secretary of state. Yet it is an insult to history that he is not equally known and regarded for his many acts of treachery—secret bombings, coup-plotting, supporting military juntas—that resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands. 

Kissinger’s diplomatic conniving led to or enabled slaughters around the globe. As he blows out all those candles, let’s call the roll.

Cambodia: In early 1969, shortly after Nixon moved into the White House and inherited the Vietnam War, he, Kissinger, and others cooked up a plan to secretly bomb Cambodia, in pursuit of enemy camps. With the perversely-named “Operation Breakfast” launched, White House chief of staff H.R. “Bob” Haldeman wrote in his diary, Kissinger and Nixon were “really excited.” The action, though, was of dubious legality; the United States was not at war with Cambodia and Congress had not authorized the carpet-bombing, which Nixon tried to keep a secret. The US military dropped 540,000 tons of bombs. They didn’t just hit enemy outposts. The estimates of Cambodian civilians killed range between 150,000 and 500,000.

Bangladesh: In 1970, a political party advocating autonomy for East Pakistan won legislative elections. The military dictator ruling Pakistan, Gen. Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan, arrested the leader of that party and ordered his army to crush the Bengalis. At the time, Yahya, a US ally, was helping Kissinger and Nixon establish ties with China, and they didn’t want to get in his way. The top US diplomat in East Pakistan sent in a cable detailing and decrying the atrocities committed by Yahya’s troops and reported they were committing “genocide.” Yet Nixon and Kissinger declined to criticize Yahya or take action to end the barbarous assault. (This became known as “the tilt” toward Pakistan.) Kissinger and Nixon turned a blind eye to—arguably, they tacitly approved—Pakistan’s genocidal slaughter of 300,000 Bengalis, most of them Hindus.

Chile: Nixon and Kissinger plotted to covertly thwart the democratic election of socialist president Salvador Allende in 1970. This included Kissinger supervising clandestine operations aimed at destabilizing Chile and triggering a military coup. This scheming yielded the assassination of Chile’s commander-in-chief of the Army. Eventually, a military junta led by Gen. Augusto Pinochet seized power, killed thousands of Chileans, and implemented a dictatorship, Following the coup, Kissinger backed Pinochet to the hilt. During a private conversation with the Chilean tyrant in 1976, he told Pinochet, “My evaluation is that you are a victim of all left-wing groups around the world and that your greatest sin was that you overthrew a government which was going communist.”

East Timor: In December 1975, President Suharto of Indonesia was contemplating an invasion of East Timor, which had recently been a Portuguese colony and was moving toward independence. On December 6, President Gerald Ford and Kissinger, then Ford’s secretary of state, en route from a visit to Beijing, stopped in Jakarta to meet with Suharto, who headed the nation’s military regime. Suharto signaled he intended to send troops into East Timor and integrate the territory into Indonesia. Ford and Kissinger did not object. Ford told Suharto, “We will understand and will not press you on the issue. We understand the problem and the intentions you have.” Kissinger added, “It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly.” He pointed out that Suharto would be wise to wait until Ford and Kissinger returned to the United States, where they “would be able to influence the reaction in America.” The invasion began the next day. Here was a “green light” from Kissinger (and Ford). Suharto’s brutal invasion of East Timor resulted in 200,000 deaths.

Argentina: In March 1976, a neofascist military junta overthrew President Isabel Perón and launched what would be called the Dirty War, torturing, disappearing, and killing political opponents it branded as terrorists. Once again, Kissinger provided a “green light,” this time to a campaign of terror and murder. He did so during a private meeting in June 1976 with the junta’s foreign minister, Cesar Augusto Guzzetti. At that sit-down, according to a memo obtained in 2004 by the National Security Archive, a nonprofit organization, Guzzetti told Kissinger, “our main problem in Argentina is terrorism.” Kissinger replied, “If there are things that have to be done, you should do them quickly.” In other words, go ahead with your savage crusade against the leftists. The Dirty War would claim the lives of an estimated 30,000 Argentine civilians.

Throughout his career in government and politics, Kissinger was an unprincipled schemer who engaged in multiple acts of skullduggery. During the 1968 presidential campaign, while he advised the Johnson administration’s team at the Paris peace talks, which were aimed at ending the Vietnam War, he underhandedly passed information on the talks to Nixon’s camp, which was plotting to sabotage the negotiations, out of fear that success at the talks would boost the prospects of Vice President Hubert Humphrey, Nixon’s opponent in the race. After the secret bombing in Cambodia was revealed by the New York Times, Kissinger, acting at Nixon’s request, urged FBI director J. Edgar Hoover to wiretap his own aides and journalists to discover who was leaking. This operation failed to uncover who had outed the covert bombing, but, as historian Garrett Graff noted in his recent book, Watergate: A New History, this effort seeded “the administration’s taste for spying on its enemies—real or imagined.” 

In 1976, Kissinger was briefed on Operation Condor, a secret program created by the intelligence services of the military dictatorships of South America to assassinate their political foes inside and outside their countries. He then blocked a State Department effort to warn these military juntas not to proceed with international assassinations. As the National Security Archive points out in a dossier it released this week on various Kissinger controversies, “Five days later, Condor’s boldest and most infamous terrorist attack took place in downtown Washington D.C. when a car-bomb, planted by Pinochet’s agents, killed former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier and his young colleague, Ronni Moffitt.”

It’s easy to cast Kissinger as a master geostrategist, an expert player in the game of nations. But do the math. Hundreds of thousands of dead in Bangladesh, Cambodia, and East Timor, perhaps a million in total. Tens of thousands dead in Argentina’s Dirty War. Thousands killed and tens of thousands tortured by the Chilean military dictatorship, and a democracy destroyed. His hands are drenched in blood. 

Kissinger is routinely lambasted by his critics as a “war criminal,” though has never been held accountable for his misdeeds. He has made millions as a consultant, author, and commentator in the decades since he left government. I once heard of a Manhattan cocktail reception where he scoffed at the “war criminal” label and referred to it almost as a badge of honor. (“Bill Clinton does not have the spine to be a war criminal,” he joshed.) Kissinger has expressed few, if any, regrets about the cruel and deadly results of his moves on the global chessboard. When Koppel gently nudged him about the secret bombing in Cambodia, Kissinger took enormous umbrage and shot back: “This program you’re doing because I’m going to be 100 years old. And you are picking a topic of something that happened 60 years ago? You have to know it was a necessary step.” As for those who still protest him for that and other acts, he huffed, “Now the younger generation feels if they can raise their emotions, they don’t have to think.”

As he enters his second century, there will be no apologies coming from Kissinger. But the rest of us will owe history—and the thousands dead because of his gamesmanship—an apology, if we do not consider the man in full. Whatever his accomplishments, his legacy includes an enormous pile of corpses. This is a birthday that warrants no celebration.

You forget Cyprus here - where he f*cked up NATO as well, not fighting commies.
But Kissinger cannot be called a war criminal, him being just a cog of the Nixon administration, albeit an important one.
That the Soviet Union did not gain huge advantage and conquer the med is because of their own deep systemic problems.

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2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Not a chance.
But with such NATO response if I was Putin I would be in Warsaw - Stockholm - Oslo - Bucharest now.
 

without nukes he could not take Sweden

book it

and no, I am not going to do a massive post on our total defence superstructure (and it IS total, hell, they will pass out battle rifles and anti tank weapons to 80, 85 year olds if need be)

I will leave it at we would be the hardest 10 million person country to invade and conquer without nukes on the planet

we have been planning for Russia to come some day for centuries

plus the cunt would have to push through another insanely hard nation (Finland) to get to us or try a sea invasion via a fucking water buzzsaw, ie the Baltic

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2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

But Kissinger cannot be called a war criminal, him being just a cog of the Nixon administration, albeit an important one.

that line of logic did not end well for the Nai leaders UNDER Hitler