Depression

[Ankit 3,176]

What's a pyschoanalyst? A psychiatrist or psychologist? Or something completely different?

I've been to so many different people and doctors, they all think something different.

Pretty sure it's just another fancy term for doctors to mint some money from people. Half of them are idiots anyway just trying to fool people and filling their pockets.

[Stingray 9,441]

Actually I understood your question the first time I read it, but the answers were what threw me off

To try and give you a more 'practical' answer, yes, a human being can commit suicide without suffering of any of the humanly known mental illnesses. An example of that is the guy I mentioned in my previous post (which Tom has completely ignored me and has not told me what he makes of that ).

But like Tome said, committing suicide is not 'normal' (usually), so even if the person killing himself was normal, the act itself would make him abnormal. I guess you can say that he is normal up until he commits suicide!

Good ol' omnipotence paradox? No worries, Kant has got the answer for you!

Hey @choulo19 .... I was not ignoring you but you just sent me a 1905 page philosophy essay, man!

Because it is very close to my field, I read (most) of it. In the beginning I thought it looked impressive but it is utter bullshit. Really, it is genuinely brilliant bullshit, but still bullshit. It randomly connects theories, ideas and viewpoint without logical coherence. It seems the ramblings of a psychotic, very intelligent guy written in a stream of consiousness.

Some things I looked closer to because I have been with the people that originated the idea (eg sociobiology - kin selection reiprocal altruism) and believe me - those ideas are just raped to it in his scheme. Ultimately, he does a self fulfillng prophecy - subjectivizing ideas to prove objectively that all there is, is subjectivity and nihilism. Hence: nothing has value and all is futile, the only escape out of this bizar, absurd situation or human condition is to end that human condition. So the only thing that has true has value is ending that absurd condition.

Doing this he has actally logically voilated his own rule - which he does no see as an issue bevause all rules - even logic are subjective.

This book is like Baron Von Munchausen that get trapped in his own conceptual swamp bu devides he is goin to pull himself out of there be his own beard. There is no value in ths whatsoever- but a denial of everything.

Commit it then to the flames.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Hey @choulo19 .... I was not ignoring you but you just sent me a 1905 page philosophy essay, man!

Because it is very close to my field, I read (most) of it. In the beginning I thought it looked impressive but it is utter bullshit. Really, it is genuinely brilliant bullshit, but still bullshit. It randomly connects theories, ideas and viewpoint without logical coherence. It seems the ramblings of a psychotic, very intelligent guy written in a stream of consiousness.

Some things I looked closer to because I have been with the people that originated the idea (eg sociobiology - kin selection reiprocal altruism) and believe me - those ideas are just raped to it in his scheme. Ultimately, he does a self fulfillng prophecy - subjectivizing ideas to prove objectively that all there is, is subjectivity and nihilism. Hence: nothing has value and all is futile, the only escape out of this bizar, absurd situation or human condition is to end that human condition. So the only thing that has true has value is ending that absurd condition.

Doing this he has actally logically voilated his own rule - which he does no see as an issue bevause all rules - even logic are subjective.

This book is like Baron Von Munchausen that get trapped in his own conceptual swamp bu devides he is goin to pull himself out of there be his own beard. There is no value in ths whatsoever- but a denial of everything.

Commit it then to the flames.

I answered it via PM so as not to go off topic here. I also don't like to advertise for suicide publicly!

[manpe 10,861]

Do you mean legally or is your question "Are humans physically capable of committing suicide without a mental disorder"?

I don't think that only people with mental disorder can commit suicide. If you have time to read, download this: http://www.suicidenote.info/

It's a book in which a perfectly happy 35 year-old person with a bachelor in psychology attempts to explain why suicide is the only thing that makes sense. That is called nihilism

Btw, I'm curious of what @Stingray makes of that. The arguments against Nihilism were never 'logical' but rather 'moral' or 'practical'. Personally, I can't really argue with much of what Michael (the 35yo) wrote.

PS: If you are depressed or have any suicidal inclinations atm, DO NOT read that book.

Oh wow, he actually committed suicide after writing this - hero. Though if the point of this book is to say that life is pointless and everything else too, then it's not something new now is it, life is pointless. I guess you can call me a nihilist for thinking like that. Granted, life is the only visible and touchable miracle known to man, but it's still a completely meaningless and useless miracle.

[Fulham Broadway 17,320]

Manpe you need three things for a meaningful life - a worthwhile job, a good relationship, and to make a difference.

The third one, to make a difference is the most important. I have made good money, and had a good job -but the thing that made all the difference to me was doing voluntary work, helping homeless, abused, bullied people. This is worth more than money.

[manpe 10,861]

Manpe you need three things for a meaningful life - a worthwhile job, a good relationship, and to make a difference.

The third one, to make a difference is the most important. I have made good money, and had a good job -but the thing that made all the difference to me was doing voluntary work, helping homeless, abused, bullied people. This is worth more than money.

And then they will die and so will you.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Oh wow, he actually committed suicide after writing this - hero. Though if the point of this book is to say that life is pointless and everything else too, then it's not something new now is it, life is pointless. I guess you can call me a nihilist for thinking like that. Granted, life is the only visible and touchable miracle known to man, but it's still a completely meaningless and useless miracle.

Well it's a complete theory on the inevitability of nihilism. It is someone who committed suicide because of a philosophical theory not depression or any other mental disease which answers your original question if that is possible.

[Madmax 9,219]

And then they will die and so will you.

Captain obvious. Surely the point is making shit more tolerable while you're living?

[manpe 10,861]

Captain obvious. Surely the point is making shit more tolerable while you're living?

Still see no point.

[Kojo 4,676]

Captain obvious. Surely the point is making shit more tolerable while you're living?

That's his opinion, no need to get mad.

[Madmax 9,219]

That's his opinion, no need to get mad.

I'm never mad at opinions.

[Stingray 9,441]

Still see no point.

Manpe, you are right. But you see it way too black and white, man , and you are stubborn in it. You seem to disregard everything that counters your opinion and accomodate the stuff that confirms it.

Primarily t is because you are looking for meaning outside yourself as a human being that you get stuck in Nihilism (I am a nihilist by the way - so bear with me). looking for an external meaning is ridiculous actually. We are the ones that give meaning (literally! it is what our brains do). We are the ones that give value as well, we are the ones that call things good or bad. Would you consider a lion that eats a the cubs of the female he just stole of his competitor immoral? No, because nature and everything around us is A-moral, doesn't make sense, is irrelevant.

The only thing that is .... is the fact that we attribute meaning to it. There IS no meaning, but as Fulham Broadway put it - meaning only emerges when you do shit. This is not something soft or 'esotheric' - your brain taps into meaning when you go out and do shit. Having children gives you more meaning than your brain can comprehend right now - because it is our brain that gives meaning (emotional and cognitive) and it is our brain that is hardwired evolutionary to do this. Its like saying 'i have no football talent - so I won't bother going on a pitch to train. Of course it will not happen and all will be useless. Hazard for example would disagree.

FIND the meaning in what you do and not in that fictional blueprint you make it out to be. That only leads to disappointment and depression. You know what - thinking about meaning can be quite meaningless unless it is connected to who we are a s a species - social, doing thing, looking for means to be a part of a group, procreating, loving and all that other stuff some people find soft.

Get out of that chair and find it. The question you are asking yourself will simply vanish as snow for the sun.

This all is meant as a mate. Take it to heart. Get out of your bunker psychology. break free and challenge the ideas that keep you stuck right now. Only to have that courage is what it means to be free. Otherwise, all you are is a slave of your own repetitive, dark thoughts. Dare to think. Dare to break free and go out there.

[Fulham Broadway 17,320]

Morbid self- indulgence and too much time to yourself isnt good

[Madmax 9,219]

@manpe,

Seems I can't send you a PM.

I hope there isn't a misunderstanding here as I didn't mean to sound rude or discourteous. I'm sorry if I came across that way.

[manpe 10,861]

This all is meant as a mate. Take it to heart. Get out of your bunker psychology. break free and challenge the ideas that keep you stuck right now. Only to have that courage is what it means to be free. Otherwise, all you are is a slave of your own repetitive, dark thoughts. Dare to think. Dare to break free and go out there.

How?

@manpe,

Seems I can't send you a PM.

I hope there isn't a misunderstanding here as I didn't mean to sound rude or discourteous. I'm sorry if I came across that way.

No misunderstanding or anything. I can see where people are coming from, but I'm just too... don't know what.

[Stingray 9,441]

How ?

Challenge your own line of thinking every time it happens?

1. Is this true or just an opinion?

2. Is it true in a broader perspective?

3. What is meaning exactly, what is value?

4. ....

Furthermore .... Go actively on the lookout for stuff that interests you. Confront our ideas.

Also, follow my adice from our pm's.

Good luck, mate!

[manpe 10,861]

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to.

mods, please delete my posts.

Special Juan, , , Jason, CHOULO19

[Stingray 9,441]

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to.

mods, please delete my posts.

Special Juan, , , Jason, CHOULO19

Dude its better to talk. You talked to me before. Do it again.

[Spike 12,049]

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to.

mods, please delete my posts.

Special Juan, , , Jason, CHOULO19

I did not delete your posts but I hid them. If you ever want them returned I can do that for you. Chin up buddy.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Not sure exactly what's going on here.