Global Revolution

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Yes i think they should but apparently they have to pay it 100% out of their own pocket that's their excuse for charging so much anyway .

That's a shame.

I've been St. Paul's before, it's a truly magnificent building.

[Fulham Broadway 16,858]

Yer but they could surely find like a square or something ? that would be convenient for others .

I reckon mobile as well as static occupations would be most effective. Pop up tents in the cathedral itself would be good. More vicars would resign then when Gods flock starts getting tasered in the house of the lord.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The Republicans in America keep fighting for tax cuts for the rich when trickle down economics has failed over and over again. Reagan cut taxes in the 80's but he did not cut spending which lead to america doubling its debt by the time he left. The whole notion that the sun shined out of Reagan's bum whole is nonsense. The American middle class was built in the 1960's when the tax rates were astronomically high, when you cut taxes you suffer from a lack of revenue which leads to economic downturns. The Bush tax cuts were so wrong that economists worldwide were shocked by what he was doing.

Tax cuts won't make a big difference in the US imo since tax-payers' money is, and have always been since the 50s, going into funding wars that the US army is directly involved in (Afghanistan ,Iraq...), wars that they have other armies fight on their behalf (Israel, South Korea, South Sudan....), civil wars in numerous countries (Currently: Libya, Syria..etc) and some global organizations to allow themselves to control those supposedly impartial organizations, and subsequently control major political decisions in the world (most recently the incident with UNESCO regarding Palestine). But mostly Israel!

I think the Americans are in way over their heads this time, they've bitten more than they can chew and this crisis will not go away simply with a few regulations and taxes.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

5,000+ students march in protest in central London today, Trafalgar Square.

Yet the emphasis is on the police control. The whole aim/cause of it, is being ignored by mass media.

[Fulham Broadway 16,858]

5,000+ students march in protest in central London today, Trafalgar Square.

Yet the emphasis is on the police control. The whole aim/cause of it, is being ignored by mass media.

True. They had 4500 police with armoured cars and the threat of using live baton rounds to deter protesters, along with sending letters to anyone who had ever been arrested on a demo -not even charged, warning them of serious consequences.

Its getting like Syria

[Fulham Broadway 16,858]

Cops without badge numbers surrounding our American friends in Oakland CA.

Live stream

http://www.ustream.tv/occupyoakland#utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=9636787&utm_medium=social

[warnie_666 1,081]

West pressurizing Iran to stop building nuclear arms. Israel has called for nations to to pressurize Iran into stopping thier nuclear program.

I think US and Israel know they can't destroy/invade Iran if they become a nuclear power.

Pakistan would have been smoked to ashes in 1999 had they not been a nuclear power.

But on the other hand I feel every country has the right to arm themselves to maintain the sovereignty of their nation against the powerful west. But North Korea, Pakistan and Iran when they become a nuclear power could be a pain to deal with as there is a possibility that they could pass on the nuclear weapons to "non state" actors to attack west.

Eitherways things aren't looking good.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

West pressurizing Iran to stop building nuclear arms. Israel has called for nations to to pressurize Iran into stopping thier nuclear program.

Lol, Israel has NO right to tell anyone to stop an arms program.. Amazing hypocrisy.

[warnie_666 1,081]

Lol, Israel has NO right to tell anyone to stop an arms program.. Amazing hypocrisy.

You are missing the point here.

Like I said every nation has the right to build weapons to protect the sovereignty of the nation.

But with countries like North Korea, Iran and Pakistan there is a possibilty of the weapons being sold to non state actors to launch a nuclear attack on west.

You support Iran Quest to become a nuclear power, but tomorrow there is a big possibility that Iran could have passed on the nuclear weapons to a jihadist group who have triggered a nuclear attack in London.

When that happens there is not one nation you can hold responsible as it was triggered by a non state entity and the weapons could be supplied by Russia, Iran, Pakistan or North Korea.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

You are missing the point here.

Like I said every nation has the right to build weapons to protect the sovereignty of the nation.

But with countries like North Korea, Iran and Pakistan there is a possibilty of the weapons being sold to non state actors to launch a nuclear attack on west.

You support Iran Quest to become a nuclear power, but tomorrow there is a big possibility that Iran could have passed on the nuclear weapons to a jihadist group who have triggered a nuclear attack in London.

When that happens there is not one nation you can hold responsible as it was triggered by a non state entity and the weapons could be supplied by Russia, Iran, Pakistan or North Korea.

To be honest, I hate the idea of anyone having nuclear weapons. But who are the West to tell other countries not to bare their own, if we in turn do ourselves?

America used nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who punished them? They use radioactive weapons in Iraq, who punished them? It's typical Western hypocrisy. I'd love to live in a world where there were no nuclear weapons, unfortunately they've developed the technology.

[warnie_666 1,081]

There is more possibility of terrorist orgs funded by pak, iran , north korea launching a nuclear attack on west than west launching a nuclear attack on Iran, pak, north Korea.

What US did was more than 60 years back and since then no state has used the nuclear weapon. But non state actors funded by those rogue nations are a major threat. They don't care about civilians. If those rogue nations can safeguard their weapons then there should be no problem but tere is no guarantee tht they will.

One terror/nuclear attack by a non state actor funded by rogue nations can trigger a nuclear war between the nuclear powers.

I am not sure what radioactive weapons US uses in Iraq. Care to elaborate on that? But I am sure saddam used chemical weapons on Kurds. So it is even I guess...

[manpe 10,861]

Iran themselves say it is for their power plants not for weapons and they say it's US propaganda to undermine Iran... who knows what the reality is. Fuck politics.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

There is more possibility of terrorist orgs funded by pak, iran , north korea launching a nuclear attack on west than west launching a nuclear attack on Iran, pak, north Korea.

Jesus.. That comment alone deserves no attention.

What US did was more than 60 years back and since then no state has used the nuclear weapon. But non state actors funded by those rogue nations are a major threat. They don't care about civilians. If those rogue nations can safeguard their weapons then there should be no problem but tere is no guarantee tht they will.

But I again ask you, what gives them the right to tell another country they can't have nuclear weapons? They are the biggest hypocrites of terrorism with nuclear weapons.

One terror/nuclear attack by a non state actor funded by rogue nations can trigger a nuclear war between the nuclear powers.

I am not sure what radioactive weapons US uses in Iraq. Care to elaborate on that? But I am sure saddam used chemical weapons on Kurds. So it is even I guess...

White phosphorus in Fallujah. Look it up? As for the Saddam comments.. Are you serious?! That same chemical was used on civilians. So the US Army are as bad as Saddam

[warnie_666 1,081]

1. But I again ask you, what gives them the right to tell another country they can't have nuclear weapons? They are the biggest hypocrites of terrorism with nuclear weapons.

2. White phosphorus in Fallujah. Look it up? As for the Saddam comments.. Are you serious?! That same chemical was used on civilians. So the US Army are as bad as Saddam

1. Well it gives them every right to put a stop on Iran nuclear program. Look at Pakistan. The only reason the world can't touch them inspite of being a haven for terrorists is because they have nuclear weapons. They were hiding Osama for years right next to the Pak Army base. These are fucking rogue nations. I am an India from US and I wished Pak wasn't a nuclear power. They had the nuclear vessels ready to launch when they were getting their arses wooped in Kargil. US and the world DOES NOT want another Pakistan in the middle east. Iran is a hardcore Islamist state with an anti west agenda. They may not launch the attack themselves but have the al Qaida lauch it.

2. White phosphorus is an incendiary weapon just like napalm and was used to flush out the terrorists hiding in the holes. They aren't exactly chemical weapons. You know what a chemical weapon is? A mustard gas is termed as a chemical weapon. Saddam used it on kurdish civilians and that has left several of them deformed and dead.

[Madmax 9,219]

@warnie - Iran is not a rogue terrorist state. Just because it refuses to bow down to US and it's lapdog Israel doesn't mean it is one. It is partially democratic, ffs. The only reason that he US is now threatening to bully Iran is well - oil. Surprise surprise. And Iran is within it's rights (accorded under IAEA rules, mind you) to possess nuclear deterrents. Just like the US does, just like France, UK, India, Pakistan etc do. Not that they'd need nuclear deterrents, all they require to do is withhold oil supply and snigger while the rest of the world goes into consequent paralysis.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I am not sure what radioactive weapons US uses in Iraq. Care to elaborate on that? But I am sure saddam used chemical weapons on Kurds. So it is even I guess...

Even?? If the US army were in a challenge with Saddam to see who can kill more Iraqi civilians, then yes they got even with him and have perhaps surpassed him by 10 times since the invasion. You seem like a sensible person, I think you will agree with me that killing innocent people has never made anything even or just.

As to Iran's Nuclear weapon, first of all a country who has more nuclear weapons than it takes destroy earth (over 200 nuclear head) does not have the right to lecture anyone about unnecessary nuclear weapons. Of course we would all love to live in a world free of weapons of mass destruction but the road to that goal does not start from Iran or North Korea, because as long as the western powers still have an arsenal of weapons they can wipe out the world with, weaker countries will always aim to procure nuclear weapons as well to protect themselves.

Take Iran for example, although I'm not a fan of the ideology they wish to impose or their extremism, I can understand their need to defend themselves. They are hated by the biggest powers in the world for rebelling against a dictator far worse than Saddam, and neighbored by Israel, their enemy who happens to be the biggest military force in the region. It is only normal for them to be intimidated and seek means that ensure their survival.

On a side note, you should know that the US is more likely to provide Al Qaeda with weapons (seeing as Bin Laden has fought with American weapons before when the now "terrorist" jihadists in Afghanistan had the financial and military backing the soviet Union in the 70s and 80s) than Iran. Iran and Al Qaeda are complete opposites. Iran are Shi'a and Al Qaeda are Sunna extremists. They hate Iran even more than they hate the west.

[warnie_666 1,081]

@warnie - Iran is not a rogue terrorist state. Just because it refuses to bow down to US and it's lapdog Israel doesn't mean it is one. It is partially democratic, ffs. The only reason that he US is now threatening to bully Iran is well - oil. Surprise surprise. And Iran is within it's rights (accorded under IAEA rules, mind you) to possess nuclear deterrents. Just like the US does, just like France, UK, India, Pakistan etc do. Not that they'd need nuclear deterrents, all they require to do is withhold oil supply and snigger while the rest of the world goes into consequent paralysis.

Iran is not a rogue but will soon be. Partially democratic? Really? It is as fake as Kim kardsashians ass. Thousands protested when ahmednijad got himself re elected the protests were huge and the govt banned the media from sending the images of atrocity outside Iran.

It is easy to say they attack countries for oil. Does Afghanistan float on oil? Saudi Arabia floats on oil, Kuwait does. US has the worlds largest untapped oil resources in Alaska. It has become a norm to blame everything on oil. Which is silly. IRan like I said is a hardcore Islamist state. The world turned a blind eye to Pakistan when they built their nuclear armory. The world cannot afford another Pakistan. Like I said every country has the right to defend themselves only if they guarantee the safety of true weapons. But countries like north Korea, Pak, Iran cannot be trusted.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

.....the safety of true weapons...

How can you even include those two words in the same sentence??!